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adjl posted...

In order to determine that nothing else works, you need to try everything.

Yeah And? I never said thats what our parents did, did I? I just said she would if what I did was super bad, or if I kept acting out and other methods werent working. I never said she tried all other options, though For what I said to OhhhJa, it was I just said for some children, it could be needed if nothing else works So, two different things, technically

adjl posted...

Feasibility can be a question, especially when it comes to cases where the root issue requires actual therapy (which is often prohibitively expensive), but virtually everything else is going to have fewer negative effects than spanking.

Maybe Maybe not Like I said before, I think that depends on the child

adjl posted...

Take a step back and think about what you're suggesting: That in every single study on spanking that has ever associated it with negative outcomes, every single subject who experienced negative outcomes and was also spanked just happened to have some other experiences that led to those negative outcomes independently of spanking, that were not noticed or accounted for by those conducting the studies. Even more ridiculously, you're saying this not based on conducting your own review of a significant, representative sample of these studies and finding methodological errors that would create a significant risk of the study's conclusion being affected by confounding variables, you're saying this because you think it might be an issue but refuse to put any actual thought or effort into forming your opinion.

Quite simply, you've already decided what you want your opinion to be, and you're ignoring reams upon reams of actual empirical evidence collected by people who know far more about the subject than you ever will in favour of your vague hunch that you could maybe sort of be right if all of those people made a mistake that you aren't going to think about the plausibility of. Stop it. That's not how logic and reasoning work.

Again, I understand the reluctance to accept that spanking is bad. You know people who have spanked their kids whom you would broadly consider to be good people, so when faced with the idea that they're actually child abusers, you end up with no shortage of cognitive dissonance. Accept that. You can recognize that those people did something wrong and still consider them to be good people. As far as child abuse goes, spanking is pretty mild and is often done out of ignorance and misinformation instead of genuine malice or abusive tendencies, so it's not particularly hard to forgive others (or yourself) for making that mistake instead of considering it a grievous moral failure. Do not, however, try to justify the behaviour by spreading further misinformation. You've been given the opportunity to know better. To act as though you haven't is a moral failure.

There are a lot of things that are the same with kids, even among the differences. So, I think its totally plausible that the negative outcomes could have come from different things. That said, I also including spanking. Because some of them still could have got it from spanking That said, another reason is because after reading about Entitled Kids and stuff, it sounds like a lot of those entitled kids have some of the negative consequences. Like the aggressiveness and anti-social behavior And those kids usually havent been spanked (or disciplined at all, in some cases) But thats just from what I see, so But I do put thought into my opinion. And thats where my thoughts lead me to

Well, most people have already decided what their opinion is or will be Sometimes, people change their opinion, and sometimes they dont. In this case, I dont really see a need to change my opinion on what I think Not am I trying to change anyone elses opinion Plus, I base it on what I see in life Which is very different from the evidence science has collected

I just personally dont think its bad. I dont think it should be used before trying other methods. And I also think its should be for really bad things. But I dont think its bad as a whole Nor do I think parents who spank are child abusers Especially if were talking about parents of friends and family, as it was a different time That said, I also dont think of parents today that spank as child abusers, either Nor do I think it was wrong And I dont see my opinion on that ever changing