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Shadow_Don posted...

You're getting way too hung up on the farmers and food industry thing. It's not necessary for the point at all. I just used that as one example of an industry we subsidize that I imagine is common in the community/culture you said are upset about student debt relief. I can find more.

But that's the problem, you're being general in saying "governments subsidize X industries so it's okay", who is to say we approve of the government subsidize X specific industry? Most people did not support the bailouts in 2008.

If you want to bring up a relevant analogy it has to satisfy the criteria of an industry that most people not being needed to be a part of for society to function.

Shadow_Don posted...

What I said was that letting the student debt and college expense crisis continue could have consequences such as shortages in jobs that are critically important.

And here's where we're coming into conflict; letting the student debt continue; having so many people go to school and end up in debt is not causing shortages in jobs. If anything it's causing a saturation of the job market and giving companies even more leverage to raise the standards higher than need be for their job openings. Tuition prices constantly rising over the past decade is proof they have no shortage of applicants.

And quite frankly as a final point, I really don't give a f*** about peoples "feelings" relating to that matter. I don't care if they feel like its a slap to the face or they feel like they got spit on. f*** your feelings. All I care about is what is best for the economy and society.

I believe when it comes to decision making and law making, a certain level of indifference to feelings is needed. However that statement can flipped on you so easily. What is the benefit to someone going to college for a degree in humanities over going to trade school? Why should the country pay for someone saddled in debt for going to school for an Art degree?

I personally am open to debt forgiveness, but this is only because I believe my Milennial generation was duped in going to college. I still recognize that this conversation of debt forgiveness isn't as straightforward as you think it is.

bigblu89 posted...

And then people start earning their own money and buying their own s***. They hit a crossroad where they can continue to think "Yes, I have all of this, but others have less, and we should do something about it", and then others think "Wait, this stuff is MINE, why should I have to share what I earned on my own?".

Yeah, when you starting putting in effort to earning the things you have, you'll value them more and be less open to giving them away. However, people generally are gracious and understand the things they've earned, they didn't do it all by themselves and so they want to give back to give others the same opportunity they had.

I think the bigger conflict in how people perceive what "giving back to give others the same opportunity" means; because they would generally want others to put in the same amount of work as they did and anything less would be giving it away to them.