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YoukaiSlayer
09/06/22 6:03:00 AM
#341:


agesboy posted...
Bionis and Alrest and their constituent parts are essentially matter and antimatter. If they collide, they would annihilate each other and nothing would be left. Origin was meant to be a way to allow the worlds to merge or coexist without annihilation. The process failed partway through due to Z's meddling, so the current status quo at the end of the game is a temporary delay measure.
But we see them physically collide and not annihilate. They show us this in a cutscene. So I don't believe this is correct.


agesboy posted...
Uhhh, no? The world as it is was running out of energy very slowly over time and wouldn't ACTUALLY last forever. What do you think annihilation events are? It's "matter and antimatter" colliding. The world is very, very gradually being destroyed. I feel like this is the biggest thing you aren't getting. The "eternal now" is a soft lie.
How much of the world was destroyed over the course of more than 1000 years? Not that much. On top of that, they clearly created an annihilation converter for use with the cannon that sucks up all the black fog. They even mention in one of the discussion topics that it's almost certainly still being used to power the castle and thats why annilation events never take place near the castle despite all the black fog. So basically, they've already solved this problem, and even if they didn't, theres no reason to end things now instead working on a better solution over the next 10k+ years before Aionios fully annihilates anyway. If origin's purpose is to somehow resolves the annihilation to begin with, they could do that from within Aionios instead of basically rewinding time putting them back in the same position which by all rights should just result in another Z anyway.

agesboy posted...
The part of M that she entrusted to Mio was still around. M both merged and swapped at the same time. Soul shenanigans isn't a zero-sum game or Mio would never have been born from M's regret to begin with.
Yeah, thats complete bullshit. Them being physically born of an emotion makes no sense to begin with either and is stupid. M went through all the trouble of basically torturing the main party for a month just to disappear and she didn't even actually disappear making that section of the game even dumber and more pointless than it already was. Doubly so when we explicitly learn that moebius cannot come back and are gone forever when they die.


agesboy posted...
Being content to living on Aionos inherently isn't moving forward. The whole game, they were fighting to dismantle the status quo, which was stillness as provided by Z. The current situation is like sitting on a BSOD until your computer craps out.
It isn't though. I understand that they want staying on Aionios to represent stillness, but it just factually doesn't. There's nothing more still about the life on Aionios than on alrest or the xenoblade 1 world. People are born and live their lives and make choices and move forward constantly. We are a witness to it for the entire damn game. Just because the world will eventually end someday doesn't mean that theres no hope of finding a solution and frankly the message of fuck the consequences, thrust yourself into the unknown and hope is shit advice and theres probably a reason the story can't wrap that into a message that complies with the world they've built up.

agesboy posted...
Ghondor and Monica made some kind of comment about hoping to be reborn in the separated worlds. Their souls were recorded by Origin, so it's definitely possible. Might be part of the final DLC plot, which I'm guessing is going to be a sequel, not a prequel like Torna. Though prequel is entirely possible, covering the City's founding.
Being reborn is what was already happening to the people in Aionios to begin with and unless they keep their memories, it's basically just a clone of what you could have been. Your memories and personality are what you are. I'd be so pissed to be a lost number and find out what we were actually fighting for was to kill me and everyone I love and hope that someday our souls reincarnate. They clearly expect to still exist after defeating moebius. The whole plot is around freeing the people from moebius control, not killing all life on the planet and forcing the planet to cease to be. It's so fucked.

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