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Lopen posted...

I think you exaggerate significance of a multitude of things in comic books in an attempt to give your passion more weight in discussions here when for something like an MCU topic it doesn't really mean a lot.

Trying to arbitrarily stick more tiers in terms of mainstream notoriety strikes me as exactly the kind of thing you'd do to inflate your sense of self worth

I actually hardly ever fucking discuss stuff in these topics, so I think you're an absolute liar. When I DO discuss this stuff, I stick to games, shows, and older comics. Comic books sell shit in today's marketplace. Older decades sold far better and on a more consistent basis, aside from minor aberrations here and there like the issue #1s for Rocket Raccoon and Squirrel Girl which were all built on heavy social media campaigns from creators. They are absolutely not useful in telling the value of sales of a character from a media perspective.

Older comics are, especially as those are most often used a template for the cartoons, shows, etc. Shang Chi has almost no outside cultural significance from comics because, unlike Ant-Man he had no cartoons, no games, nothing. Ant-Man, as a founding member of the Avengers in comics, had such an obviously leg up - first of all, he so many more copies of comics in a time when that was significant. Comic shops didn't exist - the market at the time allowed more permeability into the mainstream. Then you have shows, you have games, you have all of the ways for Ant-Man to be presented as a founding member of the Avengers. He even makes it into the Ultimates, which had some reach outside of the normal comics marketplace.

Then you get into the weird, often unquantified market of graphic collections which sell pretty well in the 2000s and early 2010s at places like Barnes & Noble, and there are just no collections for Shang-Chi. You'd have to be a reader like me, willing to dig in back issue bins to find the guy until he finally gets a string of Secret Avengers appearances that resuscitate him - and only a little. What matters here is that for an outside market, Ant-Man was an easier sell. He had a small amount of fame, but fame nonetheless. You can't discount the half million-selling comics from days gone by. You CAN discount comics in the barely 100k moving market of the last decade.

As for your narrative about me, I think I'm pretty clearly a person on the board who deals with significant self-worth issues, and this bizarre presentation of me is not only uncalled for, hurtful and rude, but it's just fucking wrong.