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Thought about this a bit more; I was half-asleep when I made my first post in this topic. I should preface this by stating that I am not a vegan, just to be clear.

It's worth pointing out that many plants specifically evolved to be eaten- that being eaten is, oddly, how they sustain themselves. This is basically the only reason that fruit as a whole exists at all. As such, even if the TC's question was the case, I suppose the ethics of it would vary on a plant by plant basis.

SmugRickMoranis posted...

What about eggs, dairy, and honey, though? Never understood that aspect of veganism.

Milk comes from pregnant/parent animals, so in order to produce and take in appropriate quantities, it all but necessitates rather vicious treatment of the animals in question, including violence against the offspring and sexual abuse of the milk producing animal. Fairly easy to understand the moral objections there. *shrug* Going off on a tangent, people who scream about soy milk having phytoestrogen in it is hilarious if you remember that, you know, animal milk has ANIMAL estrogen in it, lol.

Eggs... I shit you not, the first argument I heard against eggs was one of the worst arguments for not eating any animal product I have ever heard. Was literally "They're bird periods. Isn't that gross?! Why would you want to eat that?! That's gross!" The better argument is that it results in male birds being slaughtered en masse (as does milk production, btw).

As for honey... this is far more complicated, tbh. Right now bee populations are in rapid decline, and from what little I understand, commercial bee-keeping is actually harming native bee populations, but this seems to easily be the most odd issue. I think the best argument against honey off the top of my head would simply be that we have alternatives that are pretty damn good, and there doesn't seem to be much reason to use honey when you could use something not produced by animals, but... this is definitely the one you mentioned I know the least about.