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TopicSo what are all the vegans gonna do if we discover that plants can feel pain?
SmugRickMoranis
02/18/22 4:07:24 PM
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Monopoman posted...
a dairy farm that produces tons of dairy a year is not an old man walking around collecting milk by hand. It's a giant machine that sucks the cows dry automatically, and 1000's of cows in small compartments that can barely move

I acknowledged this in the very post you quoted:

SmugRickMoranis posted...
I understand the abuses inherent in large, industrial farming operations, but if you source responsibly and locally, why aren't those aforementioned foods accepted as cruelty-free?

We get most of our eggs and some of our milk from my wife's aunt, who has a small family-owned farm. Our honey is from a woman just a couple miles from our house. We've visited her operation

We do buy our cheese and butter (and ice cream) from the store, however. It is all local and allegedly "cruelty-free" but I'll be completely honest we haven't looked into it much beyond what we read online.


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