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Topic	Whether you are for or against abortion
Vindris_SNH 09/14/17 5:44:24 PM #141:	Asherlee10 posted... Vindris_SNH posted... Asherlee10 posted... Vindris_SNH posted... Incorrect. This is why I'm pro-life: http://www.prolifehumanists.org/secular-case-against-abortion/ The problem I see with this is it hinges on the potential for life, which has a fundamental flaw. I think it's best addressed with another excerpt: a fetus’s potential for being a person does not provide a basis for the claim that it has a significant right to life. Even if a potential person has some right to life, that right could not outweigh the right of a woman to obtain an abortion, since “the rights of any actual person invariably outweigh those of any potential person” Why is murder wrong? Would you say it has anything to do with a person's potential future? I'm not sure why you think that's related. Murder isn't permissible because you are taking the life of a person who has personhood. Viability. Would you say it's murder to 'pull the plug' on people in cortical death? I gave a pretty big hint as to why I think it's related in my second question. You're saying my argument hinges on the "potential for life". My point was that murder is considered morally wrong for the exact same reason. The future life of a human. When you murder someone, their future is terminated. The exact same thing happens when you abort a newly conceived human life. And let's talk about viability. Specifically, I believe you are referring to fetal viability. This is the ability for a fetus to survive outside the uterus. So along the lines of viability, why is infanticide not legal? After all, the infant is not viable, in that they still cannot take care of themselves for at least a few years. Why is fetal viability so important in determining this concept you call "personhood"? What about their viability without nurturing parents or caregivers? By the way, what is personhood, exactly? Is personhood based in science? Do we even have a clear definition of personhood? And if not, why are we using "personhood" in our arguments for or against abortion? --- glitteringfairy: Just build the damn wall ThyCorndog: and how exactly will that stop the mexican space program from orbital dropping illegal immigrants? <cite>Vindris_SNH posted [p:886607982] in Whether yo... [t:75774151]...</cite> <quote><cite>Asherlee10 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Vindris_SNH posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Asherlee10 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Vindris_SNH posted...</cite> <quote>Incorrect. This is why I'm pro-life: http://www.prolifehumanists.org/secular-case-against-abortion/</quote> The problem I see with this is it hinges on the potential for life, which has a fundamental flaw. I think it's best addressed with another excerpt: a fetus’s potential for being a person does not provide a basis for the claim that it has a significant right to life. Even if a potential person has some right to life, that right could not outweigh the right of a woman to obtain an abortion, since “the rights of any actual person invariably outweigh those of any potential person” </quote> Why is murder wrong? Would you say it has anything to do with a person's potential future?</quote> I'm not sure why you think that's related. Murder isn't permissible because you are taking the life of a person who has personhood. Viability. Would you say it's murder to 'pull the plug' on people in cortical death?</quote> I gave a pretty big hint as to why I think it's related in my second question. You're saying my argument hinges on the "potential for life". My point was that murder is considered morally wrong for the exact same reason. The future life of a human. When you murder someone, their future is terminated. The exact same thing happens when you abort a newly conceived human life. And let's talk about viability. Specifically, I believe you are referring to fetal viability. This is the ability for a fetus to survive outside the uterus. So along the lines of viability, why is infanticide not legal? After all, the infant is not viable, in that they still cannot take care of themselves for at least a few years. Why is fetal viability so important in determining this concept you call "personhood"? What about their viability without nurturing parents or caregivers? By the way, what is personhood, exactly? Is personhood based in science? Do we even have a clear definition of personhood? And if not, why are we using "personhood" in our arguments for or against abortion? --- glitteringfairy: Just build the damn wall ThyCorndog: and how exactly will that stop the mexican space program from orbital dropping illegal immigrants?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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