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Topic	Are you accepting and supportive of transgender people?
Esrac 09/05/17 1:01:19 AM #178:	Tmk posted... Esrac posted... Because, in this case, the malfunction seems to be with how the brain perceives the otherwise healthy, functional body. This is faulty since it requires the assumption you're already right that the problem lies with the brain. Like I said, it's a dispute between body and brain. To say it's the brain malfunctioning is an inherent bias in you to side with the body for some reason. I'm curious what the actual reason is. Esrac posted... Similarly to people with Body Integrity Identity Disorder, in which those people's brains perceive their own limbs as being alien to the rest of the body. Should we "side with the brain" and happily start amputating their otherwise healthy arms and legs because they have a mental disorder? Is their body malfunctioning because they were born with fully functional limbs? That's a compelling argument against cutting someone's limbs off. We're talking about transgender people though. No matter how much you want these two issues to be identical, they're not. Focus on transgender people. Trying to relate it to other situations you find an easier time arguing against is a sign of weakness. It is a valid comparison when your initial argument seemed to be "We are our brain, not our body. If the brain says the body should be X, then we should help them alter their body to be X." I'm using BIID to point out a similar situation, in which the body physically doesn't match what the mind says it should be, to point out that the brain can malfunction on how it perceives the body. They perceive an otherwise healthy, functional limb as alien in a way that seems very similar to how someone suffering gender dysphoria would perceive their genitals as, if not alien, then wrong. The brain is part of the body and it's as capable of malfunctioning as any other part. You seem to be trying to set up a false dichotemy between the brain and the body and asserting we should just go along with what the brain perceives the body should be because reasons. If we have a situation where the body doesn't match what the brain perceives it should be, it seems likemy the malfunction is with the brain, because the brain is the organ that does the perceiving about reality. Unless there's a reason to believe we have a male body sending some "I'm supposed to be female" signal to the brain, it seems more likely to me that there is something off in that brain that's causing it's perception about the body to be faulty, in a similar fashion to BIID sufferers having brains that perceive limbs as alien to the body. If my post is wonky, it's probably because I'm typing this up as quickly as I can on my phone as I am away from my computer. --- http://steamcommunity.com/id/Esrac <cite>Esrac posted [p:886043304] in Are you ac... [t:75740046]...</cite> <quote><cite>Tmk posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Esrac posted...</cite> <quote>Because, in this case, the malfunction seems to be with how the brain perceives the otherwise healthy, functional body. </quote> This is faulty since it requires the assumption you're already right that the problem lies with the brain. Like I said, it's a dispute between body and brain. To say it's the brain malfunctioning is an inherent bias in you to side with the body for some reason. I'm curious what the actual reason is. <cite>Esrac posted...</cite> <quote> Similarly to people with Body Integrity Identity Disorder, in which those people's brains perceive their own limbs as being alien to the rest of the body. Should we "side with the brain" and happily start amputating their otherwise healthy arms and legs because they have a mental disorder? Is their body malfunctioning because they were born with fully functional limbs?</quote> That's a compelling argument against cutting someone's limbs off. We're talking about transgender people though. No matter how much you want these two issues to be identical, they're not. Focus on transgender people. Trying to relate it to other situations you find an easier time arguing against is a sign of weakness.</quote> It is a valid comparison when your initial argument seemed to be "We are our brain, not our body. If the brain says the body should be X, then we should help them alter their body to be X." I'm using BIID to point out a similar situation, in which the body physically doesn't match what the mind says it should be, to point out that the brain can malfunction on how it perceives the body. They perceive an otherwise healthy, functional limb as alien in a way that seems very similar to how someone suffering gender dysphoria would perceive their genitals as, if not alien, then wrong. The brain is part of the body and it's as capable of malfunctioning as any other part. You seem to be trying to set up a false dichotemy between the brain and the body and asserting we should just go along with what the brain perceives the body should be because reasons. If we have a situation where the body doesn't match what the brain perceives it should be, it seems likemy the malfunction is with the brain, because the brain is the organ that does the perceiving about reality. Unless there's a reason to believe we have a male body sending some "I'm supposed to be female" signal to the brain, it seems more likely to me that there is something off in that brain that's causing it's perception about the body to be faulty, in a similar fashion to BIID sufferers having brains that perceive limbs as alien to the body. If my post is wonky, it's probably because I'm typing this up as quickly as I can on my phone as I am away from my computer. --- http://steamcommunity.com/id/Esrac</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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