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adjl posted...

Usually not when the car in question is being used as a weapon. Most people who get dragged from cars either can't move their car, or choose not to because they don't like the idea of running people over to escape. If somebody's just driven a car into a crowd with the intent of running people over, neither of those issues are particularly relevant.

I mean, I already said I agree he should be charged with at least manslaughter. (Maybe not specifically, but he should definitely be charged). That said, your reply here obviously implies that people attempting to take the moral high ground are punished for it. Or can't move their car. Hell, i can't think of a scenario that would make me unwilling to run people over who were willing to drag me from my car other than being physically unable to move it.

adjl posted...

Ensuring you can escape safely after mounting an offensive is basic strategy, not cowardice. The attack is important in assessing how bold the attack is, because the level of risk faced by the attacker is massively different.

So...the driver in this case, using his car to attack, was using basic strategy? By they were not only using basic strategy, but also minimizing risk? Or do you have to face minimum risk to be considered brave, and that standard is according to adjl on GF?

Make no mistake, I think they are both cowards.

adjl posted...

I'm not particularly trying to excuse either of them. Both are bad, and neither should have happened. I'm just pointing out that it's not particularly cowardly to start a fight while surrounded by thousands of people that you know aren't going to take your side, and that calling such people cowards in a fit of thinly-veiled pathos is just silly. How brave or cowardly it is irrelevant to the discussion of whether it's right or wrong.

If you want an extreme example: Suicide bombers are braver than any of us will ever be.

Or stupider. Or more religious. Or both.

Keep in mind that my specific example (which as clarification I do not assume is representative for all antifa, but would condemn them as such for the cowardice I think we agree on that the white supremacist displayed)was certainly not surrounded by multiple dissenters, but was in the midst of people who agreed with him when he attacked with potentially deadly force.
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