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Topic	Muslim bus driver returns $10,000 to Jewish man who had lost it.
1337toothbrush 08/28/17 4:56:45 AM #49:	-Gavirulax- posted... 1: Jizya, all over the place. http://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/references-to-jews-in-the-koran (again, remember what I said, more literal - the more literal someone follows Islam, the more we in the west must worry about them) - though honestly you can continue thinking I'm just lying because it goes against your narrative, in that regard I'm really not worried. What I said originally still counts, good in SPITE of the religion, he didn't do this because of it (and for the record I don't claim ISIS blow things up because of Islam either, it's far more complicated than that). On top of that the plethora of remarks in the Quran (not even touching the Hadith which is a whole different ballgame) about how property and the like pretty much belongs to Muslims - this isn't hard to find (nor is the obviously wonderful relationship Muhammad, and by extension Islam, has with Jewish people). The problem with just throwing out verses like that is things like, for example: "[5.51] O you who believe! do not take the Jews and the Christians for friends; they are friends of each other; and whoever amongst you takes them for a friend, then surely he is one of them; surely Allah does not guide the unjust people." Seems pretty damning, right? Things need to be taken into context and, again, translation and interpretation is key: http://seekershub.org/ans-blog/2009/09/07/friendship-with-non-muslims-explaining-verse-551/ -Gavirulax- posted... Nope, I used the term regressive because your first tactic was to literally accuse me of lying about my past (something that has been done to death with him as well). The whole "you're not a real Muslim, SHUT UP!!!" from people like you is shameful - which was basically your first few responses, so you can imagine why I didn't take you seriously. Secondly, I do not think Islam is salvageable - that doesn't mean I think in extremes like most people, or that I cast aside the many Muslim relatives I have - they're obviously aware of why I think this as the religion wants me to die (or experience some form of eternal torture as dictated by some omnipotent supernatural deity) for about 3 different things. The only reason why I responded the way I did was because it's a common tactic for an internet troll to pose as something they're not in an attempt to gain credibility. As we are on a message board, all I can go on is your word. Sorry for the accusation, I hope you can see where I'm coming from. Why do you think Islam cannot be salvaged? There are multiple interpretations and I've definitely seen more forgiving interpretations, including some that believe hell is not even eternal: http://www.quransmessage.com/articles/is%20the%20punishment%20of%20hell%20eternal%20FM3.htm Which is why I question your belief that it cannot be salvaged. There seems to be room for liberal interpretation and I've mostly only seen extremist assholes take the stance that their interpretation is the only correct one and any deviation requires severe punishment. --- :D https://imgur.com/a/FU9H8 <cite>1337toothbrush posted [p:885580936] in Muslim bus... [t:75714484]...</cite> <quote><cite>-Gavirulax- posted...</cite> <quote>1: Jizya, all over the place. http://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/references-to-jews-in-the-koran (again, remember what I said, more literal - the more literal someone follows Islam, the more we in the west must worry about them) - though honestly you can continue thinking I'm just lying because it goes against your narrative, in that regard I'm really not worried. What I said originally still counts, good in SPITE of the religion, he didn't do this because of it (and for the record I don't claim ISIS blow things up because of Islam either, it's far more complicated than that). On top of that the plethora of remarks in the Quran (not even touching the Hadith which is a whole different ballgame) about how property and the like pretty much belongs to Muslims - this isn't hard to find (nor is the obviously wonderful relationship Muhammad, and by extension Islam, has with Jewish people). </quote> The problem with just throwing out verses like that is things like, for example: "[5.51] O you who believe! do not take the Jews and the Christians for friends; they are friends of each other; and whoever amongst you takes them for a friend, then surely he is one of them; surely Allah does not guide the unjust people." Seems pretty damning, right? Things need to be taken into context and, again, translation and interpretation is key: http://seekershub.org/ans-blog/2009/09/07/friendship-with-non-muslims-explaining-verse-551/ <cite>-Gavirulax- posted...</cite> <quote>Nope, I used the term regressive because your first tactic was to literally accuse me of lying about my past (something that has been done to death with him as well). The whole "you're not a real Muslim, SHUT UP!!!" from people like you is shameful - which was basically your first few responses, so you can imagine why I didn't take you seriously. Secondly, I do not think Islam is salvageable - that doesn't mean I think in extremes like most people, or that I cast aside the many Muslim relatives I have - they're obviously aware of why I think this as the religion wants me to die (or experience some form of eternal torture as dictated by some omnipotent supernatural deity) for about 3 different things.</quote> The only reason why I responded the way I did was because it's a common tactic for an internet troll to pose as something they're not in an attempt to gain credibility. As we are on a message board, all I can go on is your word. Sorry for the accusation, I hope you can see where I'm coming from. Why do you think Islam cannot be salvaged? There are multiple interpretations and I've definitely seen more forgiving interpretations, including some that believe hell is not even eternal: http://www.quransmessage.com/articles/is%20the%20punishment%20of%20hell%20eternal%20FM3.htm Which is why I question your belief that it cannot be salvaged. There seems to be room for liberal interpretation and I've mostly only seen extremist assholes take the stance that their interpretation is the only correct one and any deviation requires severe punishment. --- :D https://imgur.com/a/FU9H8</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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