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Topic	Justice Department to take on affirmative action in college applications
Esrac 08/02/17 1:31:08 AM #77:	Sad_Face posted... Sephiroth1288 posted... Nomadic View posted... I'd be fine if they took name, sex, birth, and race off applications and just let in the most qualified candidates. This. Who could argue against this? Wouldn't this make it so you can only get admitted on merit? The problem with this is that, for engineering schools, males VASTLY outnumber females in applications. Ethnicity-wise, Asians and whites also outnumber the other ethnicities by a significant margin. If you want a diverse student body, you have to go out of your way to look for those that can fill the niches you're looking for. It's not just looking for students that can survive the classes, you also want students who can contribute to the student life. And you do not want a class comprised of 10% females, 90% males. That's only a problem for people who place a disproportionate value on racial and gender diversity in a student body. For people who don't, but are just more interested in the most qualified getting in, they aren't going to care if the gender ratio is 90% men and 10% women in a class. Or if the races are not represented proportionately to the racial populations of the country/state. If most of the qualified candidates happen to be male and Asian or white, then that's just how it is and they should be the ones to get in. A lot of people don't really care about how diverse a classroom is. If fewer women go into a particular subject because they aren't interested in the field, so what? If whites and Asians are more qualified than blacks and Hispanics because they got a better education, so what? You're probably not going to find much compromise because staunch advocates for diversity and proponents for a meritocracy are looking at the issue with distinctly different worldviews and values. --- http://steamcommunity.com/id/Esrac <cite>Esrac posted [p:884030675] in Justice De... [t:75628558]...</cite> <quote><cite>Sad_Face posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Sephiroth1288 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Nomadic View posted...</cite> <quote>I'd be fine if they took name, sex, birth, and race off applications and just let in the most qualified candidates.</quote> This. Who could argue against this? Wouldn't this make it so you can only get admitted on merit?</quote> The problem with this is that, for engineering schools, males VASTLY outnumber females in applications. Ethnicity-wise, Asians and whites also outnumber the other ethnicities by a significant margin. If you want a diverse student body, you have to go out of your way to look for those that can fill the niches you're looking for. It's not just looking for students that can survive the classes, you also want students who can contribute to the student life. And you do not want a class comprised of 10% females, 90% males.</quote> That's only a problem for people who place a disproportionate value on racial and gender diversity in a student body. For people who don't, but are just more interested in the most qualified getting in, they aren't going to care if the gender ratio is 90% men and 10% women in a class. Or if the races are not represented proportionately to the racial populations of the country/state. If most of the qualified candidates happen to be male and Asian or white, then that's just how it is and they should be the ones to get in. A lot of people don't really care about how diverse a classroom is. If fewer women go into a particular subject because they aren't interested in the field, so what? If whites and Asians are more qualified than blacks and Hispanics because they got a better education, so what? You're probably not going to find much compromise because staunch advocates for diversity and proponents for a meritocracy are looking at the issue with distinctly different worldviews and values. --- http://steamcommunity.com/id/Esrac</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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