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Inferno Dive Dragoon posted...

And the answer would be no, since it's just a clump of cells at that point. And even if you want to argue that it somehow still counts, then I'll repeat what I said earlier; I don't care. At no point in its development would I deem the unborn's survival as superseding that of the already living mother, she *always* gets first priority.

Great, so let's have the personhood argument then. "It's a clump of cells" isn't an argument though. Full-grown adults are clumps of cells too, but it's not OK to kill them. What does a full-grown adult have that a foetus doesn't, which excludes one from moral considerations but not the other? A foetus is unequivocally a human being. When a man gets a woman pregnant, the resulting zygote inside her isn't a dog or a goat but a human.

Saying "I don't care" about the whole thing tells me you don't actually know how to justify your claims.

Inferno Dive Dragoon posted...

Take it up with pro-lifers, they're the ones who, ironically, view pregnancy as a punishment and constantly aim to undermine single mothers any way they can, I'm just repeating/pointing out their sentiment.

Well, no, you seem to be suggesting there's something inherently punishing about pregnancy. Carrying a baby to term, and supporting its mother throughout, is not a matter of finding someone to inconvenience for some perceived indignation. It's a moral duty, on the mother's behalf to the child inside her, and on society's behalf to the vulnerable.

Inferno Dive Dragoon posted...

There's already too much surplus human stock in this world that will never amount to anything while being made to suffer a bleak life. Excellent case in point; Myself.

You give some pretty miserable arguments, but I'd never call you a miserable or wretched person.

Inferno Dive Dragoon posted...

With the life I ended up with, I would have been better off aborted, and there's people out there who have it far *far* worse then I do. Existence for existence's sake is just cruel because it gives no mind or concern to the actual value of said existence. It's quantity over quality basically, and for what? So the advocates of this mentality can feel good about themselves despite doing more harm then good? Screw that.

Is that really what the ideal world would have been? Seems to me like it would have been the one in which you were economically secure, and physically and mentally healthy, with your family, community, and government to fall back on when you needed it. That seems like the ideal world we should seek to realise.
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