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Topic	Three years since Russia shot down a civilian airliner and murdered 298 people.
Antifar 07/17/17 9:45:14 PM #15:	Glass_Phantom posted... Our democracy, our freedom, our Western values are special and should be fought for. The dictator who rules in Russia is not and should not brook comparison. Then fight for them everywhere. Stop selling arms to Saudi Arabia and enabling their human catastrophe of a war in Yemen. Stop turning a blind eye to a deeply undemocratic coup in Brazil. Don't aid killers in Honduras. If you are going to be a guardian of the world, such failings undermine your claim to the moral high ground, and create space for enemies to reject that authority. I don't know what the solution is to Putin and his abuses of LGBT people, journalists, and critics of all kinds. I agree that it is a blight and if it were easy I'd say do whatever is necessary to remove him and his band of kleptocrats from power. But I'm skeptical of harsh sanctions that fall heaviest on the civilians we claim to have in our interest. I grow distrustful when Russia is singled out while we continue to prop up and ally ourselves with monstrous regimes elsewhere. On the whole, I think the US government has regularly overestimated its ability to shape the rest of the world to our liking, and that arrogance has in recent decades caused at least as much trouble as it has solved. --- kin to all that throbs <cite>Antifar posted [p:883109920] in Three year... [t:75576060]...</cite> <quote><cite>Glass_Phantom posted...</cite> <quote>Our democracy, our freedom, our Western values are special and should be fought for. The dictator who rules in Russia is not and should not brook comparison. </quote> Then fight for them everywhere. Stop selling arms to Saudi Arabia and enabling their human catastrophe of a war in Yemen. Stop turning a blind eye to a deeply undemocratic coup in Brazil. Don't aid killers in Honduras. If you are going to be a guardian of the world, such failings undermine your claim to the moral high ground, and create space for enemies to reject that authority. I don't know what the solution is to Putin and his abuses of LGBT people, journalists, and critics of all kinds. I agree that it is a blight and if it were easy I'd say do whatever is necessary to remove him and his band of kleptocrats from power. But I'm skeptical of harsh sanctions that fall heaviest on the civilians we claim to have in our interest. I grow distrustful when Russia is singled out while we continue to prop up and ally ourselves with monstrous regimes elsewhere. On the whole, I think the US government has regularly overestimated its ability to shape the rest of the world to our liking, and that arrogance has in recent decades caused at least as much trouble as it has solved. --- kin to all that throbs</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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