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Topic	Do you think it's right Ariana Grande has cancelled the rest of her concerts?
UnfairRepresent 05/24/17 9:12:46 AM #60:	emblem boy posted... I don't know if I'd consider taking time off from her tours as giving in to terrorism. So you'd argue the terrorism is a coincidence and she would have canceled the shows anyway? I doubt it. M-Watcher posted... I find the concept of "letting the terrorists win" completely stupid. People have the right to be scared, people have the right to take time off in difficult situations. Nobody to my knowledge has said otherwise. She does indeed have the right do to anything she likes and be scared. It's not even surprising. It's a tall order to ask a young girl to overcome an ordeal like that and still put on a show for a crowd who would also be nervous. Emotions are a wonderful but at the same time hindering thing. It's like going to the cinema for the first time after Aurora. Yeah there's uncomfortable feeling in the back of your head but you can't just never go the movies again out of fear. How did the terrorists win? Because they have successfully not only launched an attack but demonstrated that they can destroy our values, cancel our tours, our entertainment, actually hinder our way of life and society and mold us into being unable to live normal lives, follow our plans, as we are in perpeutal fear of them and what they might do to us. Which is their goal and the opposite of our goal. So they are winning. If I say "Give me all your money and never leave your home or I'll beat the shit out of you." and you do it, I win. And will do the same to others. If you say "No." then I lose and have to stop. PostCrisisJ2 posted... It's one thing to expect this sort of thing from a leader of a nation or a military general because it's their job to protect their people, but Grande is a pop musician not a grizzled solider. Nobody said she was. Why do you have to lie and be intellectually dishonest to attempt to make an argument? All that's being pointed out is the reasoning. You accept and understand why civilization has a non-negotiation policy, yet at the same time claim you don't understand why submitting to terrorism is a pragmatically bad thing. It's silly. The reasoning is identical, just coming from different sources. Eat More Beef posted... what about my personal situation? I spent nine months in Afghanistan, got shot at, mortared and saw a couple IED's go off. When I got back to Canada, I said fuck that noise and quit the military. Am I a pussy for getting out? Am I letting the terrorists win? I'm not following what this has to do with anything. But no leaving the military isn't cowardice or letting anyone win. Who said it was? I don't understand that post. --- ^ Hey now that's completely unfair. https://imgtc.com/i/14JHfrt.jpg <cite>UnfairRepresent posted [p:879711417] in Do you thi... [t:75379081]...</cite> <quote><cite>emblem boy posted...</cite> <quote> I don't know if I'd consider taking time off from her tours as giving in to terrorism.</quote> So you'd argue the terrorism is a coincidence and she would have canceled the shows anyway? I doubt it. <cite>M-Watcher posted...</cite> <quote> I find the concept of "letting the terrorists win" completely stupid. People have the right to be scared, people have the right to take time off in difficult situations.</quote> Nobody to my knowledge has said otherwise. She does indeed have the right do to anything she likes and be scared. It's not even surprising. It's a tall order to ask a young girl to overcome an ordeal like that and still put on a show for a crowd who would also be nervous. Emotions are a wonderful but at the same time hindering thing. It's like going to the cinema for the first time after Aurora. Yeah there's uncomfortable feeling in the back of your head but you can't just never go the movies again out of fear. <quote>How did the terrorists win?</quote> Because they have successfully not only launched an attack but demonstrated that they can destroy our values, cancel our tours, our entertainment, actually hinder our way of life and society and mold us into being unable to live normal lives, follow our plans, as we are in perpeutal fear of them and what they might do to us. Which is their goal and the opposite of our goal. So they are winning. If I say "Give me all your money and never leave your home or I'll beat the shit out of you." and you do it, I win. And will do the same to others. If you say "No." then I lose and have to stop. <cite>PostCrisisJ2 posted...</cite> <quote>It's one thing to expect this sort of thing from a leader of a nation or a military general because it's their job to protect their people, but Grande is a pop musician not a grizzled solider. </quote> Nobody said she was. Why do you have to lie and be intellectually dishonest to attempt to make an argument? All that's being pointed out is the reasoning. You accept and understand why civilization has a non-negotiation policy, yet at the same time claim you don't understand why submitting to terrorism is a pragmatically bad thing. It's silly. The reasoning is identical, just coming from different sources. <cite>Eat More Beef posted...</cite> <quote>what about my personal situation? I spent nine months in Afghanistan, got shot at, mortared and saw a couple IED's go off. When I got back to Canada, I said fuck that noise and quit the military. Am I a pussy for getting out? Am I letting the terrorists win?</quote> I'm not following what this has to do with anything. But no leaving the military isn't cowardice or letting anyone win. Who said it was? I don't understand that post. --- ^ Hey now that's completely unfair. https://imgtc.com/i/14JHfrt.jpg</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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