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Topic	How many genders are there?
darkknight109 05/09/17 5:31:50 PM #89:	Kungfu Kenobi posted... darkknight109 posted... Kungfu Kenobi posted... darkknight109 posted... "Call me Steve, not Stephen," It's nothing like that. It's more like saying "Call me by this scent, I don't identify by sound". Except you're not able to change your scent to adjust someone, while I'm reasonably certain you are capable of giving voice to whatever pronouns someone requests without your mouth bursting into flame. I'm capable of a lot of things that aren't reasonable to ask of me. Steve vs Steven is a standard form of address, and one that Steve, as a grownup, has learned to live within rather than try to change other people, just as I as a grownup have learned to live within our pronoun binary. He doesn't ask me to address him as an Attack Helicopter, or refer to him in honorifics unbefitting his station (such as "Master"). It doesn't matter how annoyed he gets with me that I don't call him "sweetie" just because he identifies as a cupcake. Perhaps I haven't been keeping up with the times, but I don't know of anyone who identifies as either an attack helicopter or a cupcake. I'm at least 90% sure those aren't actual things and no one would seriously ask you to address them as such. As for sticking to established social norms, well, norms change. Less than a century ago you probably would have been ostracized or sold off to a circus sideshow as a "freak" simply for being non-cis gendered. That was accepted social norms at the time and suggesting that maybe you should be treated like an actual person would have gotten you the same exasperated eye-rolls that people are voicing in this topic. We've moved on from that era and good fucking riddance. I don't know, I just assume that most people are made of strong enough stuff that they won't grasp for their pearls and look for a fainting couch when someone asks them to address them in a way they're not used to. Not one as nonsensical as "I'm an attack helicopter", not one that implies subservience or familiarity like "master" or "sweetie", just one that means "I am not cis-gendered", which they're not, so it should be fine. Put it this way: if you're strong enough to not care about being addressed with masculine or feminine pronouns, why aren't you strong enough to not care about someone else asking to be addressed with gender-neutral pronouns? --- Kill 1 man: You are a murderer. Kill 10 men: You are a monster. Kill 100 men: You are a hero. Kill 10,000 men, you are a conqueror! <cite>darkknight109 posted [p:878782751] in How many g... [t:75311595]...</cite> <quote><cite>Kungfu Kenobi posted...</cite> <quote><cite>darkknight109 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Kungfu Kenobi posted...</cite> <quote><cite>darkknight109 posted...</cite> <quote>"Call me Steve, not Stephen,"</quote> It's nothing like that. It's more like saying "Call me by this scent, I don't identify by sound".</quote> Except you're not able to change your scent to adjust someone, while I'm reasonably certain you are capable of giving voice to whatever pronouns someone requests without your mouth bursting into flame.</quote> I'm capable of a lot of things that aren't reasonable to ask of me. Steve vs Steven is a standard form of address, and one that Steve, as a grownup, has learned to live within rather than try to change other people, just as I as a grownup have learned to live within our pronoun binary. He doesn't ask me to address him as an Attack Helicopter, or refer to him in honorifics unbefitting his station (such as "Master"). It doesn't matter how annoyed he gets with me that I don't call him "sweetie" just because he identifies as a cupcake.</quote> Perhaps I haven't been keeping up with the times, but I don't know of anyone who identifies as either an attack helicopter or a cupcake. I'm at least 90% sure those aren't actual things and no one would seriously ask you to address them as such. As for sticking to established social norms, well, norms change. Less than a century ago you probably would have been ostracized or sold off to a circus sideshow as a "freak" simply for being non-cis gendered. That was accepted social norms at the time and suggesting that maybe you should be treated like an actual person would have gotten you the same exasperated eye-rolls that people are voicing in this topic. We've moved on from that era and good fucking riddance. I don't know, I just assume that most people are made of strong enough stuff that they won't grasp for their pearls and look for a fainting couch when someone asks them to address them in a way they're not used to. Not one as nonsensical as "I'm an attack helicopter", not one that implies subservience or familiarity like "master" or "sweetie", just one that means "I am not cis-gendered", which they're not, so it should be fine. Put it this way: if you're strong enough to not care about being addressed with masculine or feminine pronouns, why aren't you strong enough to not care about someone else asking to be addressed with gender-neutral pronouns? --- Kill 1 man: You are a murderer. Kill 10 men: You are a monster. Kill 100 men: You are a hero. Kill 10,000 men, you are a conqueror!</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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