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Super_Thug44 posted...

this is an unimportant issue to 99% of the population.

So is Lou Gehrig's Disease.

Just because something doesn't affect a majority of the population doesn't mean it's something that should be ignored.

deoxxys posted...

They are an oddball if they are out of the ordinary, as this user pointed out

Whether you think that or not, it's still not a polite term - your statement does a pretty good job of undercutting your "I'm a polite person" argument. You basically just posted a (much milder) version of "I'm not a racist but..."

deoxxys posted...

but im not calling some dude with a male appearance that just decided he wanted to be referred to as a she, thats just lazy.

Transition surgery is expensive and takes time. One of my neighbours is in her 50s and came out as trans a couple of months back. She still looks completely male (complete with a mostly-bald head). I don't know if/when she's going to have any surgery and/or start hormone treatment to make her look more feminine, but you know what? It's also none of my damn business. She's made a polite request to the community to be referred to as a woman (and also offered to speak to anyone in private who had an issue with it) and that's good enough for me.

deoxxys posted...

And no I'm not referring to people by made up pronouns

I've only ever met one person who didn't go by he/she and I still don't see what the big deal is. If it makes them happy, why not? They're not asking you to give them a tenth of your income or something, just change some words around. Particularly given how exceptionally rare it is (even if you refer to absolutely everyone by whatever pronouns they prefer, this will likely come up in less than one hundredth of one percent of your interactions with other people) I don't see the justification for a big public outcry.

deoxxys posted...

If I ever by some rare chance have to interact with someone who is that "Did you assume my gender" type person

I'm roughly 75% certain that those people don't actually exist in real life and are just caricatures made up on the internet by people mocking hypersensitivity, trying to push a political agenda, and/or just trolling.

Kungfu Kenobi posted...

Why is it so hard to settle on a "He" or a "She"? I don't want to suggest that if I did it, anyone can do it, that would be daft, but I did do it. I identify as non-binary (I'm not cis, and would be trans if not for certain complications), prefer "other" when asked M or F, and accept male or female pronouns in conversation. Why is that so hard? When there's something weird about you, then making a little bit of extra effort to conform is just basic politeness. I mean, these are my problems, no everyone else's

If you feel comfortable doing that, then good - this obviously isn't an issue that bothers you much (or if it does bother you, not to the point where you would raise an objection about it). For some people, pronouns are a minor quibble. But not everyone's like that - some people place different importance on such things.

As an example, if I went around referring to every male I met as "she/her", some people wouldn't care, some would feel awkward and ask me to stop doing that, some would tell me to knock it off in less-than-polite terms and a handful would try to punch me. That's different comfort levels with "wrong" pronouns.

My point can basically be summed up as "Why can't we all just be nice to each other?" - if someone asks to be referred to by different pronouns, it's not worth a fighting over.
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