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Metal_DK posted...

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Women in their 20s without children out-earn men by as much as $1.08 to every dollar, according to some estimates.

Do you know which study he is citing? I don't see sources. Is it childless women vs. all men? That seems like an intentionally unfair comparison. What is childless women vs. childless men? Or even single women vs. single men. I'd assume those that dedicate themselves to their career over having a family would indeed earn more, so I'd want this to be a direct comparison.

Also "some estimates"? Is this representative of the typical estimate or the most exaggerated value they are using to prove their point somewhat disingenuously? A common complaint I often hear is "that 77 cent statistic is the extreme end of the estimate" which, fair enough, but then it is very disingenuous if this person is using the same technique to try and prove their point.

Because of this, the rise of pick up artists, mgtow, red pills, etc are all rising to prominence. Men need to have some sort of "game" or "strategy" to get date/romance/sex. But having these things is also sexist according to feminists. Or is it just talking about these things? Either way, its really absurd.

I would argue there isn't really a "rise" in this. It is a relatively small number of sexually frustrated men looking for some external way to focus their inadequacies. "Oh it isn't that I'm fat/ugly/socially awkward/kind of a creep it's that women have to high of standards so we need to try and game the system!" Whenever I see men that subscribe to this kind of system, it isn't hard working or successful or good looking or at least generally pleasant and good natured men (you know, the kind of traits women like) that are doing it. And it certainly isn't mainstream dating strategy.

Women who are doctors want to marry men who are doctors, lawyers, business executives, etc. Men who are doctors are very happy marrying women who are nurses, teachers, or even shift managers at department stores.

Do you have statistics that back this up? I'm not saying you are wrong, but I do not know if the statistics actually bear this out.

Feminists are lying to these men when they say women will date/marry these low income men and that wealth will trickle down. Most won't. Not all, but most. Its extremely unproductive to men to say this to them, its giving most of them false hope.

I don't know if this is something feminists ever got together and promised >_> "Hey you scrubs we'll date you if we can get good jobs". I don't remember that in their charter. Nor are they required to tbqh. Most of the men that complain about how mean women are about dating aren't exactly good catches themselves. This isn't a thing normal men complain about, at least in my experience.

All of this doesn't sound like a con to me. All of the women I've talked to that you would probably consider to be extreme on this issue don't secretly believe it is equal between men and women. They aren't like "haha suckers they are going to give us better jobs even though we know things are equal!" They genuinely believe that there is wage discrimination or that the playing field is uneven. Now, you can certainly say they are wrong and debate them on what you perceive the facts to be. But it certainly isn't a con like you had initially said, unless I'm missing your point.
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