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Topic	Politics Topic 85: Is Le Pen Mightier Than Le Sword?
ChaosTonyV4 04/21/17 7:37:27 AM #381:	Wanglicious posted... Islam and the state have a history that's gone so long that decoupling them would, to the overwhelming majority, be viewed as an insult. "Islamic law is the law and that's how it should be." The country with the largest Islamic population in the world has six official recognized religions, so...? And also we literally have Republicans in this country who publicly say "The US should be a Christian nation" so maybe it's not so specific to islam? Wanglicious posted... my point is that the left needs to uphold the same values it hold to literally every other belief system where it's traditionally been willing to attack, criticize, even demonize various aspects of it until it's broken down. and this will take a long, long time, span multiple generations, because it's literally reprogramming thousands of years of tradition. many on the left aren't doing that, they reject people who do that, they support people who do the opposite of all that, and dismiss/attack people for doing that. You keep not answering this question: Is there a statistically relevant number of Muslims coming to America and not safely integrating? ...and seriously, "Western Values," what. we're talking Christianity here. that's totally the wrong phrase. liberal values? if so then sure, i agree with that. and that's what i'd like applied to Islam too. the irony here is that for some reason it's the conservatives who often point these things out... because, well, Islam has the most conservative principles in it and it makes the right wing look like bleeding hearts. What American Muslim principles make Right Wingers look like bleeding hearts? --- Phantom Dust. <cite>ChaosTonyV4 posted [p:877616450] in Politics T... [t:75249132]...</cite> <quote><cite>Wanglicious posted...</cite> <quote>Islam and the state have a history that's gone so long that decoupling them would, to the overwhelming majority, be viewed as an insult. "Islamic law is the law and that's how it should be." </quote> The country with the largest Islamic population in the world has six official recognized religions, so...? And also we literally have Republicans in this country who publicly say "The US should be a Christian nation" so maybe it's not so specific to islam? <cite>Wanglicious posted...</cite> <quote> my point is that the left needs to uphold the same values it hold to literally every other belief system where it's traditionally been willing to attack, criticize, even demonize various aspects of it until it's broken down. and this will take a long, long time, span multiple generations, because it's literally reprogramming thousands of years of tradition. many on the left aren't doing that, they reject people who do that, they support people who do the opposite of all that, and dismiss/attack people for doing that. </quote> You keep not answering this question: Is there a statistically relevant number of Muslims coming to America and not safely integrating? <quote> ...and seriously, "Western Values," what. we're talking Christianity here. that's totally the wrong phrase. liberal values? if so then sure, i agree with that. and that's what i'd like applied to Islam too. the irony here is that for some reason it's the conservatives who often point these things out... because, well, Islam has the most conservative principles in it and it makes the right wing look like bleeding hearts. </quote> What American Muslim principles make Right Wingers look like bleeding hearts? --- Phantom Dust.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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