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Topic	Turks votes "Yes" on referendum to DESTROY their own DEMOCRACY
Saloonist 04/17/17 6:52:20 PM #34:	ElatedVenusaur posted... Saloonist posted... Supermajorities are a double edged sword. People will turn on the system for obstructionism if you put up too many roadblocks to change, yet at the same time this last year has proven the dangers of direct democracy. The founders were right. In what way? In any case, Erdogan rigged it. Not in terms of literal ballot-stuffing, but the opposition was silenced and rules for voting were changed at the last minute. Even then, the referendum barely passed. Might be some instability, but Erdogan took notes on how Putin did it(also Russia was never very democratic. Yeltsin was so unpopular he had to rig the 1996 election to avoid losing to the Communists. As in, the literal continuation of the ruling party of the USSR.) Oh absolutely he rigged it. No question. But regarding supermajorities, just look at Congress. So many people today complain about how Congress doesn't do anything anymore, and as a result, public opinion of Congress has plummeted. This is at least in part due to the fact that the Senate essentially requires a supermajority to get anything done, because almost every piece of legislation is subject to a veto. --- BasileosPetros, KhanofKhans, CokeZero, and many more <cite>Saloonist posted [p:877386285] in Turks vote... [t:75247806]...</cite> <quote><cite>ElatedVenusaur posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Saloonist posted...</cite> <quote>Supermajorities are a double edged sword. People will turn on the system for obstructionism if you put up too many roadblocks to change, yet at the same time this last year has proven the dangers of direct democracy. The founders were right.</quote> In what way? In any case, Erdogan rigged it. Not in terms of literal ballot-stuffing, but the opposition was silenced and rules for voting were changed at the last minute. Even then, the referendum barely passed. Might be some instability, but Erdogan took notes on how Putin did it(also Russia was never very democratic. Yeltsin was so unpopular he had to rig the 1996 election to avoid losing to the Communists. As in, the literal continuation of the ruling party of the USSR.)</quote> Oh absolutely he rigged it. No question. But regarding supermajorities, just look at Congress. So many people today complain about how Congress doesn't do anything anymore, and as a result, public opinion of Congress has plummeted. This is at least in part due to the fact that the Senate essentially requires a supermajority to get anything done, because almost every piece of legislation is subject to a veto. --- BasileosPetros, KhanofKhans, CokeZero, and many more</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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