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HashtagSEP posted...

You gotta consider the context, though. At the time you fight her, you don't have any great counters available. And since the gym leaders before her are pretty easy, there's nothing driving you to grind, so it kinda comes out of nowhere.

Also, Retaliate is great considering it's STAB and said gerbil thing is her second Pokemon, meaning you already beat one, powering it up more. Since you don't know it's coming, the chance is very high that it takes out your best Pokemon immediately.

I was more referring to it just being somewhat poorly put together than anything about "counters." Even then Gen V was the generation that gave us Audino grinding, so literally every Pokemon you brought could count as a "great counter." They also didn't do anything to dissuade the traditional "duo the game with your starter + a second carry" strategy, so your starter could easily clean her up even without it.

And Retaliate wasn't one of the moves I was talking about being worthless.

Lazy_Haar posted...

Have rock types ever been considered decent? This topic has got me thinking and I don't know if I've ever used one seriously. I just played Violet recently and when I was trying to make a team of Pokemon I typically didn't use, I was looking at adding a rock type and got frustrated at how almost no rock moves have 100% accuracy (or if they did, they were often low power). I always saw them as awful in Gen 1, too, but I want to say most (if not all) of them were Ground/Rock type and super weak to Squirtle/Bulbasaur (not to mention they were slow).

As a whole, or just in a couple of cases? In most generations they have a presence (Gen 1 has Rhydon, Gen 3 has TTar, etc.) but a lot of the time there are just so many bleh rock types that they end up being mid as a whole and most of the rock moves you'll see are on non-rock Pokemon.