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MLBloomy
06/17/25 1:25:16 PM
#266:


It does seem like the blown save stat just assumes a pitcher entering into a save situation will complete the game.

Here's a game where Kerkering got a BS in the 7th :

https://www.baseball-reference.com/boxes/PHI/PHI202504060.shtml

I had thought saves + blown saves + holds would equal save situations, but that game also shows that isn't the case. Baseball Reference says you need to retire a batter to get a hold, so Romano didn't get one despite not giving up the lead while he was on the mound. His stats for the season are 17 save situations, with 8 saves, 2 blown and 6 holds. That's only 16, so that game would be the 17th save situation.

Curious that it says retiring a batter for a hold rather than recording an out. That could mean a reliever could enter a save situation with 2 outs and at least one base runner, get a caught stealing to finish the inning and get replaced. With that wording, a hold wouldn't be credited.

I'm also not quite sure about some things with Baseball Reference's definition of a save situation.

SVSit -- Save Situations
Pitcher entered the game after the fifth inning in a save situation.
Or pitcher entered earlier in the game and did not get the win.
When the starter did not go five innings, it is
possible to enter in a save situation and get the win.
Save Situation Defn. (any of three):
1. team has a lead of no more
than three runs and and at least three outs remaining.
2. The tying run is either on base, at bat or on deck.
3. At three innings remain in the game.
For our purposes, a save situation is only one
of the first two.

I'm guessing #3 should be "At least three inning remain in the game".

But I'm not sure what they mean by that final sentence of "a save situation is only one of the first two".
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