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ssjevot posted...

I'm not doing that though. I'm saying take their issues seriously and don't talk about women's issues, but I am under no illusion that they actually give a shit about women's issues, because they wouldn't be voting for and listening to literal rapists who promote violence against women and taking their rights away. Like give me a break. It absolutely is coddling and kids gloves, because these people are a joke. I agree we need to market ourselves better to them, but I disagree that they're just good people left astray by mean leftists talking about reality. They literally do not care about women's issues. They don't.

And Im saying take men issues seriously, take women issues seriously. Don't address or rebuttal either sides issues by dismissing the other or bringing up the other. (You mentioned gender wars, but dont see how bringing up the opposite gender as a rebuttal to someone's struggles as fanning that flame?)

Unfortunately the right is doing a better job at apealing to those men and their struggle. The rhetoric in your post alone is ushering them away as it's not one of taking men issues seriously. It screams dismissal and belittling they even have issues given you compared it to All Lives Matter. You say reality, but ignore the reality of misandry, double standards and sexism they face that, and wanting an outlet to actually acknowledging that. Theres expectations on men that some dont even realize its sexist. With the rebuttal to men pointing those things out from some being complete dismissal, antagonistic, nefarious assumptions of hating women, or putting all blame on men.

One issue voters arent a new concept. We have one issue voters who thought he was going to fix the economy too. If you actually want to win those people back, we need to unfortunately tap into that.

You wonder why we are losing these people. That is why. The right is currently doing a better job at acknowledging (in messaging) men issues that many in reality do face everyday, that many dont even acknowledge is even a struggle/sexism/misandry. Or rhetoric that tends to be centered on, "men bad, women good" or it's all on men to fix.

You will say that's not what you are trying to say, but the things you are saying comes off as exactly that. And when it's voiced it's coming off that way, it's dismissed, which again is part of the problem. The assumption that all of them hate women, or love Tate for having the audacity to voice their struggle, not felt heard, so they run to a party (misguided as it is) where they feel heard.