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Covenant posted...

That's a given and reflected in my post.

The GOP is openly embracing a fascist dictatorship and they're going to lose because of it. That's the end of that story.

The fact that the mainstream response among people who oppose the fascist dictatorship is to try to silence people who express even the tiniest shred of dissent in the most harmless of ways is the beginning of a new story, and I don't like the direction it's going.

Those people are assholes. There is nothing wrong with people saying "Kamala sucks, but vote for her anyway because the alternative is exponentially worse" or "I'm endorsing Kamala, but solely because the alternative will be far worse."
It's the ones refusing to endorse/vote for her who are the problem. Unless they are saying "I refuse to endorse Kamala, but we need to vote for her anyway, because the alternative is far worse."

Diceheist posted...

Dems as a party have moved left over the years, but the reason for the opposite perception is:

- many Dem candidates have backed off of less popular proposals from their pasts such as defund the police, bail reform, border relaxation, medicare for all, cis/trans sports integration, etc.

There is no right-ward shift in terms of substance but there's an opitical illusion at play.

They moved away from Defund the Police because it backfired big time. "Defund the Police" was meant to be a stop-gap measure to bring the police to the table to negotiate police reform, and it was an idiotic to do in the first place when they had yet to come up with a concrete list of reform bills. Ultimately, it didn't work (esp. the goal of demilitarizing the police), and in addition we ended up with increased crime as a result. In addition, what reforms did pass only affected law enforcement on a state level, while the feds are just as shitty as ever.

As for M4A, with a few exceptions, that was only ever supported by the progressive/justice Dem politicians, and Harris, while still more progressive than most, is still very much a corporate Dem.

They reneged on bail reform because it became unpopular even among some dem voters after the post-COVID crime explosion.

Border relaxation is most definitely something they broke their promise on.

- Harris messaging shifting from liberal targeted to centrist targeted.

The presidential candidates always move a bit to the right during the final month or so of the election. This was typical even among Republican candidates prior to Trump.

- various entities the Dems support like Israel lurching far-right.

This is something that changed on Oct 7th; it is not a recent change.