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KiwiTerraRizing posted...

I love developers who build shitty McMansions in HOA gated communities that get purchased by lower upper class people looking to escape diversity then realise every time it rains theres no window flashing. Fuck all of them.

I think this and other posts is what's causing the confusion. Developers to some of you means "suburban large home builder". Which is kind of funny, because much of the housing laws that people are looking to change to encourage housing would actually encourage more dense urban infill housing, rather than suburban sprawl.

s0nicfan posted...

When you're at the point where it's not about zoning for new housing but upzoning to turn existing housing into higher density housing then you absolutely have gone that far. IMO, of course.

To clarify a bit, because it seems we might be talking around each other, I would argue that the reason they haven't been building new houses recently is because there just isn't enough space to do so in the areas with the highest demand. You look at a lack of building as evidence that more building needs to happen. I look at a lack of building as evidence they simply can't build anymore. Outside of converting existing housing into higher density housing though. But I see that as the last ditch effort, not the preferable solution over building out into new communities.

I think we just fundamentally disagree on that.
Would you at least agree with making areas that are still generally undeveloped, to start out as being upzoned? And your point is that some cities are too far gone to further upzone, should just "take the L" and concede that they've hit capacity?