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Scardude posted...

So you basically say Israel can't live in peace through peaceful means by negotiations. That the area is too divided and their current methods are in line with the only solution at work. This is what your line of thinking leads to. Because bloodshed is the only thing that the area will accept.

I was explicitly talking about a hypothetical reunification of the Ottomon Empire/unification of the Middle East in the modern day. We're talking about a pretty massive region with conflicting belief systems that have, historically, not allowed for long term peaceful coexistence.

You would need a strong, central, ideally not foreign, power that can enforce laws and (forcefully) keep the peace. You would ultimately wind up subjecting people to suppression and oppression in the name of peace.

It would take massive amounts of money, effort and heartbreak basically all around. And you would need to maintain that peace/lack of conflict and enact, in effect, a near continent sized culture shift towards respecting coexistence for many decades, as the world grows ever physically hotter and the areas of the middle east are likely to set to become increasingly uninhabitable.

America spent trillions trying to give Iraq and Afghanistan stable governments and failed. While American efforts were not specifically there to unite the entirety of the Middle East by any stretch, it indicates to me that it would take an effort the world has yet to see anywhere and there is no promise that it would work.

Also, I'm not nearly versed enough to give a meaningful answer to this in regards to Israel's current situation.

I would like to think that peace is possible, but it increasingly seems the Israeli government are not interested in it at the moment. When there was peace/no active conflict, it seems the Israeli government had no interest in acting in the interests of the Palestinians in Gaza, in order to hopefully maintain peace. Which, to my understanding, is why Palestinians, in part at least, turn(ed) to Hamas. So they could have some agency and influence over their own lives.

Beyond that, the fact that this conflict has gone on for so long (overall, not just the recent flare up) indicates that (some) on both sides will never get over the tragedies they've suffered as a result of the conflict so you will always have (bad) actors that seek to reignite the conflict.

So while I think it's possible in a theoretical sense, in a current practical sense I wouldn't hold my breath over it. It's tragic all around, but if there was an answer one of us could come up with, we probably wouldn't be discussing this

Now, I'm probably wrong about some of that. It is based off random articles and anecdotes I've seen since the conflict started.