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TopicImagine you are a newly born pig.
LameJokeAlt
07/07/11 1:11:00 AM
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Can I wish death upon LJA and all her obnoxious, radical vegan PETA counterparts, for wishing death upon normal people?

I am not wishing death on anyone. All of you interpreted it that way. How about if a meat eater dies from some natural cause, and is then fed to lions? Is that wishing death on that person? No, it is wishing for a particular type of disposal for the body.

This is true:

Glad you agree.

Yeah, this is simply false. The feed needed to raise cattle is much less than the pounds upon pounds of meet you get- not to mention milk and other animal products. It's a simple inductive claim: if raising animals provided a negative net food result, then we wouldn't have raised animals in the first place.

I hope you are joking. This post seems to defy many ideas common in biology and simple physics.

First, let's discuss why we raise animals for food. It's because, historically, we needed to eat animals to survive. It's why we are omnivores. I am not denying that eating animals is an important part of why we have survived as a species. Now, it is not really needed as much with modern agriculture. So, why keep them? Perceived nutritional value. I am not going to deny that there are nutritional benefits from meat, milk, eggs, and other products. But I will say that those nutrients can now be attained from other resources. Farm animals are now an artifact of the past in our human history. We continue to use farm animals for food sources because people like the taste, or they don't want to get nutrients from other sources.

However, meat is inherently more expensive to produce when it comes to the amount of plants used than it is for people to just eat those plants. Think of it like this.

A cow is impregnated, and is going to give birth to a calf. That cow will need to eat a lot of food to nourish that calf and itself, right? It will need to do so for months. Then, it gives birth. Awesome, you now have a calf. Still, it needs some type of food, milk initially. That requires even more feed for the mother. When the calf is old enough, it can eat feed on its own. It needs a lot of it to live and grow, right? Even if it is confined in a cage and cannot exercise, it still burns energy that requires feed. Not all feed is used to add meat to the cow. Need I remind you that cows do not absorb everything they eat and that they need to poop?

All in all, you are talking thousands of pounds of feed to raise the cow for slaughter. How much meat will it give? A lot, Google tells me around 700 pounds. Cows are larger animals than we are, so they need to eat a lot more. If Yahoo Answers is to be trusted, it takes 12 pounds of feed to get one pound of beef. http://answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=20080905183919AAkuN3T

Now, here's a question for you from a physics angle, rather than a biology one. As you should know, matter and energy cannot be created or destroyed. How do you explain a cow having more meat in pounds than what you give it in feed?

I wouldn't say so; then again, I value human life. If you don't particularly care about homeless people (or jail time), then there's nothing stopping you.

How about if someone goes and throws a bunch of newborn kittens off a building for fun? If that person feels like they enjoyed it more than the animals that suffered to bring that enjoyment, is it then moral?

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