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Boomers were always a weirdo hyperconservative generation. Don't be fooled by the handful of hippies that got a lot pf press. Reagan won the youth vote ffs.

It's mostly due to the extremely prosperous times they lived in (every high schooler had a fancy sports car.) Then they huffed the lead coming out of those cars and got brain damage that caused them to be gullible to propaganda and unable to comprehend a changing world.

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parabola_master posted...

But does the opposite person exist

They're probably the most common person in the US.

"Everyone should have healthcare and I'm for raising workers wages but I'm sick of hearing about white privilege and sjws are annoying"

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Court packing was the only option before RGB died.

Biden was about the only Democrat in the primary that actively opposed court packing or doing anything to flip it back, and CE centrists said that whoever won the primary means Americans agree with that person's policies so... Democrat voters don't think the Supreme Court matters so yall can go back to brunch.

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Women's expectations for men to always be strong, stoic, and a provider has stripped a lot of emotional safety nets for men in society. Toxic masculinity is just simping with another step. Bros want to project how tough they are to attract women and delude themselves.

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CruelBuffalo posted...

you have not shown anything to back up your claims either, especially since voters could have used your exact argument to vote for Sanders over Biden but did not in Florida.

Florida's population isn't exclusively comprised of Cubans. Exit polls showed Sanders won the Cuban vote (which is incredible considering the momentum against him by that point in the process) He lost the overall vote for sure. Sanders even lost the Puerto Rican vote exit polls. The primary was over by that point.

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CruelBuffalo posted...

That your belief that Democrat voting Cuban Americans are largely on the side of Sanders or supportive of Sanders clumsy statements.

Your links say nothing to disprove any of my claims. Like yes I'm aware Sanders lost the FL primary. I never said he won.

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CruelBuffalo posted...

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.nytimes.com/interactive/2020/03/17/us/elections/exit-polls-florida-primary.amp.html

exit polls as well. So no. Sanders sunk in Florida

Again, what does this have to do with anything?

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CruelBuffalo posted...

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/2020_Florida_Democratic_presidential_primary

Before Covid, Before Bernie dropped out.

What relevance is this to our discussion?

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CruelBuffalo posted...

You legit think the Bernie comments complimenting Castro were helpful and Biden trying time walk that back is hurtful with Floridians....ummm wut

idk Obama said what Bernie did but a lot stronger and did well enough in FL with the Cuban vote. Repairing relationship with Cuba is likely more popular with Cubans that would ever consider voting for democrats (which is the pool Biden has to pick from)

Shablagoo posted...

I actually think its the opposite. A lot of Cuban immigrants tend to despise leftism/socialism because it negatively affected their families extreme wealth when they were in Cuba (and part of why many fled here) and Trump has a huge propaganda campaign centered around convincing people Biden is some kind of socialist.

Of course and all of the Cubans voting for that reason are registered Republicans that have never and will never vote for a democrat.

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Biden spent all primary trying to get Bernie to apologize for suggesting something good could have ever came from Cuba. The man was up there calling the Cuban sandwich trash.

Then Biden was proud of the deporter in chief moniker that would ruin him with other latinos. He told latinos to go vote for Trump when confronted.

I think Puerto Ricans are a really young population and Biden has told anyone under 50 to fuck off.

No surprise Biden can't even muster up latino support against Trump. Sad!

Biden's donors only wanted him to win if it's going to be with republican voters and elderly people so we'll see if he can scrap by. He was a really risky candidate.

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Trump is just fine in his mid 70s with a diet of nothing but fast food. Biden will stumble his way around into living to be 100+ easy. There's something about being evil that keeps you alive in this world.

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WrestlinFan posted...

Reposting from yesterday.

It's SM64 > Odyssey > Galaxy 2 > Galaxy > 3D World > 3D Land >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Bubsy 3D >>>>>>>>>>>> Sunshine.

Seriously, Sunshine is such an annoying mess of a video game. And it was a childhood favorite of mine.

Rosa is my favorite Mario character though.

Quoting facts right here

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LatinXtreme
LatinX games

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Didn't she also claim Russia hacked the wayback machine to make it look like she made brutally homophobic posts back in the day? lol

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Broseph_Stalin posted...

Ok you're done. I shouldn't have been feeding you this much to begin with, it's been nothing but bad faith attacks and lazy attempts at changing the subject to hide the fact that you have no idea what you're talking about.

Although I did get a laugh at you claiming you're more intelligent than multiple reputable economist while at the same time saying neoclassical and Keynesian economics are the same thing lmao.

Russ and Larry do not cover the right to left spectrum of economists. That was your claim and you were not able to defend it. No amount of scoffing and incredulousness makes it true.

Hoover was also found to be a hack organization that is not credible.

That's 0-2 for you. I agree that you're better off running away from strike 3.

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So you prefer libertarian. Got it.

It literally is about left vs right to establish a left vs right spectrum. No one considers Larry to be a left winger. That is because his legacy is of deregulation Third Way politics. No amount of ignoring this or labels makes it go away. Working under presidents that you don't consider to be left wing does not make him left wing. It's hard to move on or talk about the issues when you consider deregulatory American centrism as the farthest left on on the spectrum that is acceptable for discourse.

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Broseph_Stalin posted...

1. Because I'm not a conservative
2. NO TRUE LEFTY yeah I get it
3. Keynesianism is certainly considered left-wing
4. Being an economist doesn't disqualify you from being left wing, you don't have to be stupid to join the club. Most oppose wealth taxes for example, just as most countries have repealed theirs. It's not about ideology it's about outcomes.
last post I'm gonna make if you can't actually refute anything these guys are wrong about, time to put up or shut up

All of your takes are firmly conservative though. You prefer center right or libertarian? I've seen some call you neolib but admiring Hoover is well to the right of that wagon. You forgot the "new" part he sticks in front of it. His policy advocacy doesn't cover left wing and neither does his history.

This isn't about what we think is right vs wrong it's about right vs left. You can find plenty of lefty economists, which you would understandably think are dumb. Richard Wolff is an example of a lefty economist. But you don't have to go nearly as far as him.

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1. Why don't you label yourself a conservative? The sources/ideology you value have no trouble proudly espousing conservatism. You don't like the aesthetics of the GOP or?
2. The guy that championed the repeal of Glass Steagall, is most vocal today about how much he hates wealth taxes, made fortunes from his Third Way deregulatory ideology.. this does not cover left wing economics. And again you've insisted in the past that Bill and Obama are moderates and not left wing so that shouldn't be used as a reason he is left wing.

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Broseph_Stalin posted...

Seriously are you going to make a single post refuting anything they said? It's a waste of time to do this with a narcissist with delusions of grandeur.

Taking these claims one at a time forces you to reckon with what you've said.

You stated I discredited the right to left spectrum of economists. All because I did not trust Russ Roberts and that his ties to Stanford (more specifically Hoover) were not a bonus point for his credibility as you claimed it was. Also because I did not trust the takes of Larry Summers. This implies that Larry is a left wing economist. I want to know why Larry covers the left spectrum of economists. Your entire premise of balanced spectrum of economists takes falls apart if you cannot answer this.

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So you are admitting defeat on that point, thank you. We can move on to the 2nd person you posted.

Now what makes Larry a left wing economist? Working under moderate presidents does not make one left wing. I can point to many who worked under these presidents that are not considered to be left wingers. His position that women do not have the aptitude for science is certainly not associated with left wing circles.

What makes Larry a lefty?

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They were found to publish poorly sourced opinion pieces (that almost always favored conservatives) and label them as research, meaning they were caught pushing propaganda.

His ties to this organization is what you said lends him credibility. You are admitting defeat on this point and want to move on?

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Broseph_Stalin posted...

No, they were found to have high factual reporting due to a clean fact check record, meaning they do not lie.

They were found to have high factual reporting due to a clean fact check record, meaning the facts they used were true.

They were found to publish poorly sourced opinion pieces (that almost always favored conservatives) and label them as research, meaning they were caught pushing propaganda.

Stanford researchers say Hoover is in conflict with Stanford's academic mission.

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Broseph_Stalin posted...

No you deleted the link so no one would see this:

We also rate them High for factual reporting due to a clean fact check record.

Which you mysteriously left out of your second post quoting them

Not that any of this matters you also said the left-wing economist "doesn't count" either and it's just desperate trolling at this point.

They were found to use actual facts by mediabias sure. That means nothing when they were also found to be not using enough facts and disguised poorly sourced opinion pieces as research to push an agenda. They work backwards from all conservative libertarian koch econ being correct rather than looking at data to better understand things. This is why Stanford researchers want to kick out this institution. Weird how you continue to ignore this part

What left wing economist are you talking about? Larry? He would laugh if you called him lefty. Working in Bill Clinton and Obama administrations doesn't make you left wing. I guess you think all the wall street bankers that took jobs under those presidents are left wing economists lmao. Besides you have insisted those presidents are moderates, not left wingers.

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All I've done is call out Hoover Institution for bias so extreme that Stanford professors say its mission is in conflict with Stanford's (or any academic institution) mission.

I decided not to get into lame media fact checkers because I figured you'd complain. Here's what mediabias had to say about the Hoover Institution:
Overall, we rate Hoover Institution Right-Center biased based on economic positions that align with the conservative right.

The Hoover Institution publishes research that almost always favors the right such as this: A Progressive Plan That Aids Loan Sharks. Although this is classified as research, a review demonstrates an opinion piece that is not strongly sourced. Most articles on this website link to other sources rather original writing from Hoover.

They are a conservative libertarian propaganda machine masquerading opinions as research. No wonder actual Stanford professors and researchers want to give them the boot.

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https://www.stanforddaily.com/2019/02/08/de-ll-statement-on-the-hoover-institution/

Stanford itself is getting uncomfortable housing such a hack institution.

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Broseph_Stalin posted...

I didn't back off anything.

My point is that data is continuously misinterpreted and that remains true. You can't refute it yourself so you have to engage in these bad faith attacks on people far more knowledgeable than you.

Pretty rich coming from the guy that cites conservative libertarian propaganda and uses their think tanks as a sign of how credible and knowledgeable they are.

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Broseph_Stalin posted...

...there's no policy anywhere in either of those videos.

here's larry summers take on it which you won't read as well I'm sure

https://www.piie.com/system/files/documents/summers20171109paper.pdf

There's plenty of heavily biased policy discussion on that youtube channel. Same as with the Hoover Institution you boasted about as if it gave him credibility. Smart of you to back off that point.

Larry Summers is part of the same crowd and has said many disgusting things. Such as women lack the aptitude for science and essentially that the increasing wealth inequality in our society is a good thing.

This should dispel the mystery of why you think the way that you do.

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Broseph_Stalin posted...

Russ Roberts is literally an economist who has taught at Stanford among other schools. The fact that you think that is comparable to Prager U says a lot. He's obviously not the only person who's spoken out against the wage stagnation myth either but the person I was talking to didn't seem interested in any of that.

Why you guys are so loyal to misinterpreted data I will never understand.

More specifically the Hoover Institution at Stanford which is conservative right and libertarian think tank. That's Koch policy and all of these types use the same goofy animations to spout the same crap all over youtube.

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Chocolate milk is literally soda with saturated fat and a few minerals. More people are allergic to it. It's worse.

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Doom_Art posted...

why is broseph the way he is

Well he linked to a Koch libertarian youtube channel so that explains a lot. He probably also enjoys a lot of Prager U. Reeks like a victim of a conservative algorithm youtube rabbit hole.

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Capitalism violently crashes once every few years and gets bailed out by daddy govt. Without this constant maintenance we'd def not still be around. This pandemic would've made 50%+ of people homeless overnight under capitalism if it weren't for the brrrr machine. Or caused no shut down and just killed way more people leading to a self shutdown.

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Government and universities innovate because that is their purpose.

Corporations steal taxpayer innovation and sell the least amount of it back to you for the most they can because that is their purpose. Then build moats and squash anyone that tries to innovate and disrupt their business model.

The same people gushing over how great and smart the market is are the same people that have been crying about how irrational and emotion based the stock market is for years.

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Hey Jack, sorry we ditched decriminalization of weed for a grand bargain with republicans to let us build on the ACA so that those that own loan shark businesses in minority neighborhoods can stay on their parents' plan til 28.

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ButteryMales posted...

They just astroturf it.

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Dr Disrespect

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Tyranthraxus posted...

Sanders ended up losing despite polling saying otherwise because Biden absolutely crushed a specific Demographic:

The people who didn't make up their mind on who to vote for until they were literally standing in line to vote.

At the end of the day people put too much stock in polls and are too quick to dismiss "undecided" as either not real or not significant enough to matter.

The polls were correct in predicting Sanders wins until the endorsement frenzy came in. Then the polls shifted back to Biden and he won.

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Anteaterking posted...

Biden beat Sanders 49% to 20% in South Carolina. Sanders beat Biden 40% to 19% in Nevada. South Carolina has 50% more delegates than Nevada.

Those states were back to back. Why does the Nevada win mean more?

I didn't say it meant more, but it should. Sanders won 3 in a row and closed the gap in South Carolina. Then the endorsements came in. Winning Iowa, New Hampshire, Nevada, is more relevant than South Carolina. The former are swing states. The latter is beginning to be operation chaos of a deep red state always picking the blue nominee.

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Democrats already abandoning the public option before Biden is offically nominated. Tbf, Biden wasn't strongly on record for a public option like the other candidates. Just "expanding on the aca"

Single payer vs "expanding the aca" is a large enough difference to say you disagree. Especially when Biden said he'd veto med4all. This is called a disagreement.

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Anteaterking posted...

Who is they?

Also why look at margins? The democratic primaries don't have winner take all primaries/caucuses, so margins are baked into the delegate count.

Reports say "they" was Obama and likely the same crowd that was orchestrating the "stop sanders" meetings the New York Times reported on.

Why look at the margins? Because people like to make up that Bernie was only winning with 20% of the vote in a split field. The man blew out Nevada and was picking up steam.

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Damn_Underscore posted...

Saying Bernie would have won if the rest of the vote was split is like saying Trump would have won the popular vote if you don't count California.

Or if you want to talk about a media conspiracy, I think there are a lot of Trump supporters who would love to have that discussion with you.

Bernie was winning by larger margins. Larger than Biden won SC. That's why they not only forced the other to drop, but to drop and endorse Biden. Because if they didn't, many polls showed Bernie was the 2nd choice of the other candidates voters.

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ufoivy posted...

Hillary and Biden are well liked candidates lol, among people that actually have jobs

Hillary and Biden absolutely clean up with 65+ vote after getting demolished by people under 55. So actually the only people that like Hillary and especially Biden are people that don't have jobs and haven't worked in quite some time.

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To answer the question. Dem party donors only want to win in a very specific way that doesn't include likable people or the left. Why? Many of them are also GOP donors.

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Damn_Underscore posted...

Hillary was pushed.

The voters chose Biden over Bernie. Bernie has momentum going into Super Tuesday and the only momentum Biden had was that he won South Carolina after absolutely failing in Iowa, New Hampshire and Nevada. Then he dominated on Super Tuesday and on March 10 before all the shutdowns happened.

The voters wanted Biden.

You mean Biden entered Super Tuesday with the momentum of the media acting like he already won it all after South Carolina and the party forced everyone to drop out and endorse Biden. You can see the mail in ballots from every state go from Bernie to Biden based on when they orchestrated that media frenzy.

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Doom_Art posted...

Speaker of the House Nancy Pelosi shouldve kept her nose out of this Senate primary.
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Surely this softens your obsession with the idea that Dem leaders never put their hand on the scale against the left.

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Lost_All_Senses posted...

Hot steamy pile of a take.

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ArianaGrandSlam posted...

Have you ever been back to that bar?

Never been back to that area lol I was out of town. I'm still incredulous they were able to find me. Security was very de-escalatory, all smiles saying it happens all the time. I'm thinkin like yeah because you refuse to let people pay.

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Had a few drinks at a crowded bar and was ready to dip to the next. I kept asking to pay my tab but they kept telling me to wait a sec. After about 15 min of this I got fed up, disappeared into the crowd and walked out. Amazingly, they caught up with me a couple of blocks down with security and made me pay.

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So. It is indeed not the free market at work.

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