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Reading and lurking is fine Pika, and we're all mostly in agreement. AEW is fresh and mostly great stuff from start to finish, while it's very easy to be soured by WWE.

Anyway, with last year's crazy releases, topic discussion: any predictions on who gets released from WWE in 2022? I'll give you 10 of my predictions

Elias
Apollo Crews
Commander Azeez
Veer Mahaan
Mace
T-Bar
Ricochet
Shotzi
Humberto
Shanky

A stretch for a couple of these, but I mainly looked at the ones that WWE either hardly uses or puts on Main Event.

Also, a day we knew would come, but 2021 was the first year since 1989 that Undertaker didn't wrestle a match in WWE, ending a streak of 31 consecutive years with at least one match.

With HHH and Kane not wrestling once in 2020, the new leaders in said statistic is Orton and Cena, having wrestled at least once a year since 2002. (Cena wrestling this year to be determined eventually, if he does)

Jakyl25 posted...

Who was the next person on the second list there to actually get a bump after Brock and Randy? Sheamus?

Most WWE PPV main event appearances
1) Undertaker - 73
2) John Cena - 72
3) Triple H - 70
4) Randy Orton - 58
5) Shawn Michaels - 50
6) Stone Cold Steve Austin - 41
7) Kane - 39
7) Brock Lesnar - 39
7) Roman Reigns - 39
10) The Rock - 34
11) Chris Jericho - 31
12) Edge - 30
13) Seth Rollins - 29
14) Batista - 26
14) Big Show - 26
16) CM Punk - 24
16) Hulk Hogan - 24
18) Kurt Angle - 23
19) The Miz - 22
20) Bret Hart - 20
21) Dolph Ziggler - 19

Dolph's main events on PPV outside the Rumble? Vengeance 2006, TLC 2012, Survivor Series 2014, Money in the Bank 2017, Extreme Rules 2018. The rest were 13 Royal Rumbles and the Greatest Royal Rumble

Jakyl25 posted...

Oh I dont mean who is 11, I mean how far down was the next person who was actually in this main event

Will check later, but I think it's Ziggler

Jakyl25 posted...

Who was the next person on the second list there to actually get a bump after Brock and Randy? Sheamus?

I'll have to check the document tomorrow. I THINK #11 on that list is Jericho.

Wow. Anyway, updates to a couple top 10s...

Most WWE PPV main event wins
1) John Cena - 37
2) Triple H - 34
3) Undertaker - 26
4) Roman Reigns - 23
5) Brock Lesnar - 22
6) Stone Cold Steve Austin - 20
7) Shawn Michaels - 19
8) Hulk Hogan - 18
8) Randy Orton - 18
10) The Rock - 16

Most WWE PPV main event appearances
1) Undertaker - 73
2) John Cena - 72
3) Triple H - 70
4) Randy Orton - 58
5) Shawn Michaels - 50
6) Stone Cold Steve Austin - 41
7) Kane - 39
7) Brock Lesnar - 39
7) Roman Reigns - 39
10) The Rock - 34

Charlotte: "I promise to do what Patrick Mahomes and the Chiefs will never do: bring a championship to Kansas City!"

Either the writers are idiots or Charlotte hasn't watched a lick of football since 2019

MZero posted...

just got my copy and about to start streaming

picking Cyndaquil

Stream username?

Jakyl25 posted...

He said it himself on Twitter

Right, where the cesspool of WWE stans are saying Ali wasn't that good anyway. They deserve Roman vs Brock forever

FFDragon posted...

And then only show up again at SummerSlam.

Nah, Brock will show up to win the MITB briefcase.

Then he won't show up until Summerslam.

Also there's reports that Mustafa Ali requested his release. If so, yet another poorly booked Superstar goes

WarThaNemesis2 posted...

The most unbelievable thing about this is that I honestly can't think of anyone who should reasonably take it from him. That's how beaten down the roster is.

Same. I was thinking McIntyre for a little bit until they wrote him off via Corbin/Moss ambush.

I wouldn't put it past WWE to job him out to Brock at Wrestlemania and we get Two Belts Brock. You know... just have Brock beat Lashley, win the Rumble anyway, and then beat Reigns.

Today is Roman Reigns' 504th day as the reigning Universal Champion, tying the run from Brock Lesnar in 2017-2018

Tomorrow, Reigns' run will be the longest world title reign under the WWE banner since Hogan's four year run in the 1980s

Saving from purge

WWE's new tag champ streak stays alive as of last Monday

2010 - DH Smith, Kidd, McIntyre, Otunga, Slater, Gabriel, Santino, Kozlov
2011 - Axel, Bourne
2012 - Epico, R Truth, Bryan
2013 - Reigns, Rollins
2014 - Usos, Sandow
2015 - Cesaro, Big E, Woods, Titus, Young
2016 - Rhyno, Wyatt, Harper, Jordan, Gable, Sheamus
2017 - Anderson, Gallows, Ambrose
2018 - Strowman, Nicholas, Bo Dallas, Akam, Rezar, Roode, Rowan
2019 - Shane McMahon, The Revival, Viking Raiders
2020 - Murphy, Street Profits, Cedric, Nakamura
2021 - Styles, Omos, Riddle, Dominic
2022 - Otis

LiquidOshawott posted...

Also, Honestly between Taker/Kane you could probably fill wrestlecrap out with solid entrants

And they definitely have! Just a simple search got the following inductions (excluding the archives because I'm not up for paying for that)...

Taker
Escape the Undertaker (Netflix)
Goldberg vs Undertaker
Face to Face with the Undertaker (book)
Ortons vs Undertaker feud
Undertaker vs IRS feud
Crush vs Undertaker (in the film Khiladiyon Ka Khiladi)
Undertaker vs DDP feud

Kane
Countdown (film featuring him and Dolph Ziggler)
Journey Into Darkness (book)
Pete Rose and Kane
The Kane, Lita, Matt Hardy, and Snitsky saga that lasted forever (Part 3 of this induction that features Kane vs Edge and Edge vs Matt Hardy was quietly removed a few years back)
Kane vs Edge feud in 2010
Kane vs Rey feud in 2008
The Kane, Ryder, Eve, and Cena angle in 2012
Kane vs Khali vs Henry vs Big Daddy V on ECW in 2007
Kane vs "Kane"
Katie Vick

Also, Crown Jewel 2018 got inducted with heavy emphasis on the main event

And at the moment, the first set of awards from 411's writers (now with 100% less Watry opinions)

Biggest Disappointment
1) WWE mass releases
2) RoH hiatus
3) NXT 2.0
4) NXT stars booking treatment on main roster
5) Becky vs Bianca at Summerslam

Best Non Wrestler
1) Paul Heyman
2) Taz
3) Pat McAfee
4) MVP
5) Tony Schiavone

Best Tag Team
1) The Lucha Bros
2) FTR
3) Young Bucks
4) Usos
5) RK-Bro and Briscoes (tie)

Worst Major Show
1) Wrestlemania Backlash
2) Extreme Rules
3) Survivor Series
4) Revolution
5) Fastlane
(The editors mostly acknowledged this year's voting was tough as there wasn't any genuinely horrible shows in their opinion)

Best Major Show
1) All Out
2) Full Gear
3) Wrestlemania 37
4) Double or Nothing
5) Takeover: Vengeance Day

Best Weekly Show
1) Dynamite
2) NXT
3) SmackDown
4) Rampage
5) NXT UK

Weekly Show was the first genuine blowout, as Dynamite was voted #1 by 8 out of 9 writers (NXT UK being the other #1 vote)

This is how it's looking right now

https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/a/user_image/0/2/9/AAAjMoAACyOt.jpg

NXT 2.0 got it in the bag, though again, most of these will probably get inductions in 2022 anyway.

Agreed 100% and I voted for Alexa. A good number of nominees get inducted with articles later anyway, if anything.

****er Winners Since 2000
WCW Champion David Arquette
The InVasion angle
Katie Vick
Al Wilson
2004 Diva Search
JR's Sad Saga in late 2005
Exploitation of Eddie Guerrero
Vince's son Hornswoggle
Mike Adamle
Chavo vs Hornswoggle
Raw vs Impact on Monday Nights in 2010
All things Michael Cole
The Claire Lynch angle in TNA
Heel Dixie Carter in 2013
Bella vs Bella
Vince's Brass Rings comment (tied with Bellas)
Dolph/Lana/Rusev/Summer love angle
Wrestlemania 32
WWE Champion Jinder Mahal
Crown Jewel 2018
Rollins vs The Fiend in Hell in a Cell
Retribution

Wrestlecrap voting is up for ****er of the Year (think gimmick turkey for asterisks). Nominees are...

Alexa, Lily, and the Fiend
Becky vs Bianca at Summerslam
Babyface Cody Rhodes
NXT 2.0
WWE promotes movies with zombies and eggs
The Queen's Crown tournament
The (Non) Exploding Barbed Wire Death match
Ethan Page vs Karate Man
Toni Storm: Pie Today, Gone Tomorrow
WWE Firings during record profits

It's a close race between NXT and the firings

TheRock1525 posted...

I feel like recent LOLWWE events have eclipsed LOLTNA ones.

Oh they absolutely have. At least when Impact messes up, hardly anyone sees it anyway.

I don't keep up with it, but probably the silliest thing Impact's done in the past year or two was have Moose bring back the TNA Heavyweight title, only to eventually see it get merged with the Impact belt anyway

Impact has been mostly decent since breaking away from Dixie Carter, but still has the random 'lol TNA' moments

Ultimately, it is a very distant third when stacked against WWE and AEW

illuminatusbubu posted...

I mean if you take TNA out, wouldn't that get rid of Jarrett too?

Nope. All 6 of his TNA reigns were as NWA Champion

Also Sting would be gone too. Take out the TNA belts and he's only an 8 time world champ

So... if you include his NJPW reign, Lesnar joins an elite crew

10+ time pro wrestling heavyweight champions
Flair
Cena
HHH
Orton
Hogan
Angle
Sting
Edge
Rock
Jarrett
Gagne
Lesnar

Don't think I'm missing anyone. If we take TNA/Impact out, Angle is gone

Now I'm expecting the Usos to interfere in the 5-way to screw Lesnar over, but who knows at this point.

On a different note, Roman Reigns is the first superstar to be The Man for an entire calendar year from January to December

To further attempt convincing people to care, WWE adds Cesaro/Ricochet vs Sheamus/Ridge to the kickoff show tonight

Dammit I knew I forgot someone

The first time tag champ streak is the second shortest (behind World, which sits only at 3 years now), with first time champs every year since 2010

2010 - DH Smith, Kidd, McIntyre, Otunga, Slater, Gabriel, Santino, Kozlov
2011 - Axel, Bourne
2012 - Epico, R Truth, Bryan
2013 - Reigns, Rollins
2014 - Usos, Sandow
2015 - Cesaro, Big E, Woods, Titus, Young
2016 - Rhyno, Wyatt, Harper, Jordan, Gable, Sheamus
2017 - Anderson, Gallows, Ambrose
2018 - Strowman, Nicholas, Bo Dallas, Akam, Rezar, Roode, Rowan
2019 - Shane McMahon, The Revival, Viking Raiders
2020 - Murphy, Street Profits, Cedric, Nakamura
2021 - Styles, Omos, Riddle, Dominic

The only wrestlers to win tag titles in 2009 were the Colons, Edge, Jericho, Big Show, HHH, and HBK, all previously having won them prior to said year

With 2021 coming to an end, here's the new first-time champs for each level of belt...

World (contrary to what WWE will tell you, NXT is not a World title)
Lashley
Big E

IC
Apollo Crews

US
Riddle
Priest

Tag
AJ Styles
Omos
Riddle

Women's (Singles + Tag)
Belair
Ripley
Nikki
Tamina
Vega

Tom Bombadil posted...

I remember being pretty excited they brought it back :\

Quite a few of us were; for the first couple years, things were good for the belt. Cruiserweight matches were closing Raw during Neville and Enzo's title runs.

Not to say it was bad during its time on NXT, but it definitely got less attention once it got renamed as such.

I wouldn't put it past Strong to be All Elite within a year, and I'll be surprised if Garza isn't released in the next 6 months

I'm hearing she requested her release. SmackDown is basically Charlotte and Sasha at this point.

Also unaware the Cruiserweight title is gone after New Year's Evil

RIP NXT Cruiserweight title (9/14/16 - 1/4/2022) let's remember those who wore this belt over a span of 5 years...

TJ Perkins
The Brian Kendrick
Rich Swann
Neville
Akira Tozawa
Enzo Amore
Kalisto
Cedric Alexander
Buddy Murphy
Tony Nese
Drew Gulak
Lio Rush
Angel Garza
Jordan Devlin
Santos Escobar
Kushida
Roderick Strong

If Carmelo Hayes wins on Tuesday, he'll be the 18th and final champion

Steiner posted...

kudos to zsig who as far as i can tell may be the last person alive watching wwe for free

Steiner posted...

or maybe more likely, congrats to zsig on the job

Tom Bombadil posted...

zsig is watching so we don't have to and you're just gonna dunk him like that wow

Here's the surprising part of it all...

In 2021 I've only watched four WWE events live: Royal Rumble, Elimination Chamber, Wrestlemania (Night 2), and Summerslam. More or less, I read reports on either Bleacher or 411; I acknowledge the product is an absolute train wreck, but much like a train wreck, I check out results for curiosity.

What very little I've watched of AEW I have been far impressed with a thousand times over and would watch it weekly if it were on one of the 4 or 5 stream services we have.

Universal
1) Roman Reigns - Upon his return in 2020, Reigns got the run some feared he would get. Over the span of 16 months, Roman has wins over Wyatt, Strowman, Jey Uso, McIntyre, Owens, Bryan, Edge, Cesaro, Rey Mysterio, Cena, Balor, Lesnar, and Big E and is now looking to set the new record for longest Universal title run. The Head of the Table may have the best Universal reign to date.
2) Braun Strowman - Only given the strap because Roman took time off, Strowman was given a 4 month run during the beginning of the pandemic. His run was mostly bad with a defense against Miz and Morrison, before plunging into a hilariously bad angle with Bray Wyatt. Speaking of which...
3) Bray Wyatt - Entered the decade as champion and only had one successful defense against Bryan in said 2 month stretch before getting buried by Goldberg. Would win the belt a second time but would immediately drop it to Roman a week later.
4) Goldberg - Squashed Wyatt in Saudi Arabia, then bailed after losing clean to Strowman a month later. Yawn.

RK-Bro vs Street Profits added to Day 1

With two years done in the 20s, here's my rankings for all WWE and Universal Champs in the 2020s...

WWE Championship
1) Lashley - Tough choice for #1, but Lashley was an intimidating heel for a champ. His 6 month run included sweeping Drew McIntyre 3-0, sending Strowman out of the WWE, and wins over Goldberg, Miz, Kofi, and Orton.
2) McIntyre - The only 2 time champ on the list, McIntyre has the distinct honor of drawing 0 fans during both reigns and not winning a single main event on ppv during either run. Outside playing hot potato with Orton, McIntyre had lukewarm defenses against Rollins, Ziggler, Lashley while still with Lana, and Goldberg. Eventually became a prop for a joke title run by Miz
3) Big E - E's made the most out of his recent run with decisive wins over Lashley and Drew, and that's enough for third.
4) Lesnar - Started the decade as champ, claims to fame include eliminating half a Rumble and burying Ricochet in Saudi Arabia.
5) Orton - Stat pad reign just to give it back to Drew not even a month later
6) Miz - Cashed in on Drew, lost it 8 days later to Lashley, capping off the most meaningless MITB run of all time.

Universal on next post

With SD officially aired, this card necessarily doesn't contain spoilers anymore!

Day 1 Card
Reigns vs Lesnar for Universal title
Big E vs Owens vs Rollins vs Lashley for WWE title
Edge vs Miz
Becky vs Liv for Raw Women's title
Nakamura vs Zayn for Intercontinental title
New Day vs Usos for SD Tag Titles
McIntyre vs Moss

Steiner posted...

by the time this hits 500, Steiner will be #AllElite

By the time this hits 500, Scott Steiner will still be reduced to random low rate indie shows jobbing to Jerry Lawler and maybe a 15th run with Impact.