Lurker > WafflehouseJK

If pressing a button or 2 to do an update is too much effort for you, you may wanna rethink some aspects of your life.

At worst it's a mild inconvenience. A lot of the updates are there for your protection, so your system is less likely to get hacked and your credit card info stolen.
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"She was like, 'Oh, did you see that firefighter? Hes so cute.' And I was like, Mom, I just got blown up."

@MacadamianNut3 posted...

I always liked WafflehouseJK even though he's 19 and now I know why

He's the reincarnation of (still living but ignore dat part) Bobby Caldwell

lol, that's a new one, I'll take it.

Also, hey now, I'm 20, 21 soonish, I'm kinda sorta maybe less of a baby boy now. >_>
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"She was like, 'Oh, did you see that firefighter? Hes so cute.' And I was like, Mom, I just got blown up."

Not gonna lie, I low-key kinda like it.
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"She was like, 'Oh, did you see that firefighter? Hes so cute.' And I was like, Mom, I just got blown up."

leverageblargh posted...

dave_is_slick posted...

You should actually read

His response there was not regarding the parts of the story I brought up in my second post. His response was to a different part that I brought up in my first post.

I was referring to pretty much everything after the point of her saying no, but I think we're relatively on the same page now.
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"She was like, 'Oh, did you see that firefighter? Hes so cute.' And I was like, Mom, I just got blown up."

The Witch caught me off guard with its like, only jumpscare in the entire film.
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"She was like, 'Oh, did you see that firefighter? Hes so cute.' And I was like, Mom, I just got blown up."

CookieMarvin posted...

WafflehouseJK posted...

CookieMarvin posted...

WafflehouseJK posted...

CookieMarvin posted...

a lot of azizs comedy revolves around the nuances of modern dating. doesnt the brand hes built for himself kind of suggest the idea that he would be more sensitive to less-explicit forms of communication?

Is it unfair to expect more from him than from waffle? (no offense!!!)

The thing is though, "less-explicit forms of communication" is incredibly vague. He's still a human being, and it's still very easy to misinterpret things like body language and non-verbal cues, because the fact of the matter is, those vary from person to person. The only clear way is to verbally communicate your unease and what you want or don't want.

And no, Aziz and myself should both be held to the same standard, just as everyone should be held to the same standard. We're both men who want sex, and we should both be respectful and wary of when the other person is uncomfortable and wants to stop, but we also cant be expected to read minds. I've often been told by girls I'm TOO wary, because they'll say they wanted me to kiss them at a certain point but I chose not to because while I figured they wanted me to, I was extremely concerned with misreading the sign and going for the move when they didn't actually want me to. I honestly think that's not a terrible mindset to have, you should never want to make the other person uncomfortable, but also, if you wait too long to make a move, the spark could fade away and they'll completely lose interest. When you're dealing with non-verbal cues, it's a gamble, which is why I don't like dealing with them, I'd much rather the other person tell me exactly what they want from the situation.That's the clearest, simplest, and safest way for both parties.

less-explicit may be vague wording, but I think it was a little more concrete in her actions.

what about her use of verbal cues with delaying language? she said things like not now in hopes that hed back off. that seems like a lighter, but pretty firm shut down, yet he persisted nonetheless. thats pretty headass

As I've already firmly established, yes, Aziz was too pushy. But vague language doesn't work either, because it still leaves the door open. There legitimately are girls who want the dude to "work for it" and say things like that teasingly to try and get them to try harder. I'm not just pulling that out of my ass and assuming, that's what several female friends of mine have explicitly told me. But obviously that's not always the case and not every girl is like that, but because it varies so much, it makes clear, decisive language even more crucial. You have to make your intentions and desires clear, bottom line.

I know Im beating a dead horse here bc you have said that he was being too pushy multiple times, but you gotta take someone seriously when they try to steer you away. I dont think theres ever a time to just up and operate under the assumption that someone wants you to work for it. that is down on your hands and knees begging for trouble.

Again though, "steering away" is way too vague in the dating and sex world. You cant expect the other person to play connect the dots constantly, it doesn't EVER work. Someone WILL get hurt, end of story. It's totally fine to jump in and work for it, but you have to know the line, which Aziz crossed. I was mostly alright with most of what Aziz did up until he tried to get her going again after she'd said no. Before that, while maybe a bit pushy, MANY people DO like that, and want that. It's impossible to know if she was one of those people or not without her explicitly telling him. Which is why, as I've said before and I'll say again because it's incredibly important, communication is crucial. Both people need to be open, honest, and straight-up blunt as to what they want out of the situation.
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"She was like, 'Oh, did you see that firefighter? Hes so cute.' And I was like, Mom, I just got blown up."

nicklebro posted...

CookieMarvin posted...

what about her use of verbal cues with delaying language? she said things like not now in hopes that hed back off. that seems like a lighter, but pretty firm shut down, yet he persisted nonetheless. thats pretty headass

But he never forced her into doing anything. Every single thing she did, she chose to do. It was all consensual, even if she felt pressured into doing it she still made the decision to engage in consensual sex acts with Aziz.

That's another thing. Being pressured is not the same thing as rape. I was pressured into sex my first time with someone I wasn't entirely sure I wanted to have sex with, but ultimately I gave in. No way in hell was I raped, I still chose to have sex with her, hesitant or not. If I could go back and decide not to, would I? I don't know. But it was still my decision to have sex with her.
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"She was like, 'Oh, did you see that firefighter? Hes so cute.' And I was like, Mom, I just got blown up."

CookieMarvin posted...

WafflehouseJK posted...

CookieMarvin posted...

a lot of azizs comedy revolves around the nuances of modern dating. doesnt the brand hes built for himself kind of suggest the idea that he would be more sensitive to less-explicit forms of communication?

Is it unfair to expect more from him than from waffle? (no offense!!!)

The thing is though, "less-explicit forms of communication" is incredibly vague. He's still a human being, and it's still very easy to misinterpret things like body language and non-verbal cues, because the fact of the matter is, those vary from person to person. The only clear way is to verbally communicate your unease and what you want or don't want.

And no, Aziz and myself should both be held to the same standard, just as everyone should be held to the same standard. We're both men who want sex, and we should both be respectful and wary of when the other person is uncomfortable and wants to stop, but we also cant be expected to read minds. I've often been told by girls I'm TOO wary, because they'll say they wanted me to kiss them at a certain point but I chose not to because while I figured they wanted me to, I was extremely concerned with misreading the sign and going for the move when they didn't actually want me to. I honestly think that's not a terrible mindset to have, you should never want to make the other person uncomfortable, but also, if you wait too long to make a move, the spark could fade away and they'll completely lose interest. When you're dealing with non-verbal cues, it's a gamble, which is why I don't like dealing with them, I'd much rather the other person tell me exactly what they want from the situation.That's the clearest, simplest, and safest way for both parties.

less-explicit may be vague wording, but I think it was a little more concrete in her actions.

what about her use of verbal cues with delaying language? she said things like not now in hopes that hed back off. that seems like a lighter, but pretty firm shut down, yet he persisted nonetheless. thats pretty headass

As I've already firmly established, yes, Aziz was too pushy. But vague language doesn't work either, because it still leaves the door open. There legitimately are girls who want the dude to "work for it" and say things like that teasingly to try and get them to try harder. I'm not just pulling that out of my ass and assuming, that's what several female friends of mine have explicitly told me. But obviously that's not always the case and not every girl is like that, but because it varies so much, it makes clear, decisive language even more crucial. You have to make your intentions and desires clear, bottom line.
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"She was like, 'Oh, did you see that firefighter? Hes so cute.' And I was like, Mom, I just got blown up."

CookieMarvin posted...

a lot of azizs comedy revolves around the nuances of modern dating. doesnt the brand hes built for himself kind of suggest the idea that he would be more sensitive to less-explicit forms of communication?

Is it unfair to expect more from him than from waffle? (no offense!!!)

The thing is though, "less-explicit forms of communication" is incredibly vague. He's still a human being, and it's still very easy to misinterpret things like body language and non-verbal cues, because the fact of the matter is, those vary from person to person. The only clear way is to verbally communicate your unease and what you want or don't want.

And no, Aziz and myself should both be held to the same standard, just as everyone should be held to the same standard. We're both men who want sex, and we should both be respectful and wary of when the other person is uncomfortable and wants to stop, but we also cant be expected to read minds. I've often been told by girls I'm TOO wary, because they'll say they wanted me to kiss them at a certain point but I chose not to because while I figured they wanted me to, I was extremely concerned with misreading the sign and going for the move when they didn't actually want me to. I honestly think that's not a terrible mindset to have, you should never want to make the other person uncomfortable, but also, if you wait too long to make a move, the spark could fade away and they'll completely lose interest. When you're dealing with non-verbal cues, it's a gamble, which is why I don't like dealing with them, I'd much rather the other person tell me exactly what they want from the situation.That's the clearest, simplest, and safest way for both parties.
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"She was like, 'Oh, did you see that firefighter? Hes so cute.' And I was like, Mom, I just got blown up."

leverageblargh posted...

If a woman told you she didn't want to fuck you and wanted to wait for the second date, would your response be to try and get her drunk so she would relent?

If a woman told you she was feeling forced and didn't want you to do something that would make her hate you, would your response be to fake placate her and then tell her to blow you?

If you were continuing to make a move by kissing her after being told no twice and she said "all you guys are the fucking same" would you use your head and stop and ask her why she was saying something like that or would you continue to try and kiss her?

I'll go through these one at a time.

If a woman told you she didn't want to fuck you and wanted to wait for the second date, would your response be to try and get her drunk so she would relent?
"Well, if I poured you another glass of wine now, would it count as our second date? He then poured her a glass and handed it to her."
I took that as more of a lame attempt at being smooth/humorous. One glass of wine isn't gonna get most people drunk, and even if the line was in poor taste, I think that that assumption that he was trying to get her drunk and fuck her isn't accurate there. Could have easily been solved with a "No, it wouldn't."

If a woman told you she was feeling forced and didn't want you to do something that would make her hate you, would your response be to fake placate her and then tell her to blow you?
As I said before, this is where he really fucked up. He started out correctly with backing off and getting dressed, but after that point trying to rekindle things was a bad idea, and he definitely shouldn't have done that, I agree with you fully there.

If you were continuing to make a move by kissing her after being told no twice and she said "all you guys are the fucking same" would you use your head and stop and ask her why she was saying something like that or would you continue to try and kiss her?
I'm honestly a little confused by her account here. She says he asked, but then forcefully kissed her immediately after. I have some theories as to what may have happened to fill in the gap there, but none of us have any actual idea of knowing cause we weren't there, it was just the two of them.
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"She was like, 'Oh, did you see that firefighter? Hes so cute.' And I was like, Mom, I just got blown up."

Ultima Dragon posted...

CookieMarvin posted...

Ive seen some folks say that women avoid flat-out saying no to try and lower the chances of sexual violence. On a first meeting in which things are moving significantly faster than she expected, aziz was constantly testing her boundaries. He was persistent in toeing the line as she was trying to steer him away, and since she didnt know him well enough to feel entirely confident that he wouldn't lash out if she full-on rejected him, she conceded to try and minimize damage.

This logic seems fucking stupid to me because it's women assuming that all men are going to turn into straight up violent rapists (or possibly worse) if they don't just give him what he wants. When in reality, the vast, vast majority will back right off and let the woman go if she makes it clear that she is not interested in going any further and wants to leave. Why would you just allow it to happen to you? Even if I thought I could be beaten or even killed, I'd still fight tooth and nail to protect my dignity.

As a guy, assuming you aren't being held by knife or gunpoint.. if you catch someone breaking into your property, vehicle, or even trying to take your bag or wallet, would you just stand there and watch it happen or would you chase them off/get out of that situation? I know it's not really comparable, but the "if I'm being victimized I'll just let it happen to minimize the possibility of being further victimized" is a really fucking stupid mentality to have. I don't understand the point of even having anything if you don't feel it's worth guarding/protecting.

It's absolutely understandable why many women would be afraid. Sexual assaults happen all the fucking time, and I know almost all of my female friends are terrified to walk home alone and I often walk them to where they need to go cause I get that fear, and they feel safer walking with another person because of that.

But in a casual sexual encounter, communication is EXTREMELY important, else the other person simply wont know how far is too far. If you haven't established the meaning behind the vague usage of "non-verbal cues", you cant expect them to necessarily understand what those cues are/mean. being upfront with what you're comfortable with and telling them "Hey, don't do that, I don't want that to happen" is crucial to both people fully enjoying themselves and feeling comfortable and safe during sex.
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"She was like, 'Oh, did you see that firefighter? Hes so cute.' And I was like, Mom, I just got blown up."

leverageblargh posted...

WafflehouseJK posted...

It kept mentioning "non-verbal cues", but like, at a certain point you need to just flat out say "No, I'm not doing this."

She did. Very clearly.

His response was to fake relent and after both of them got dressed, he again tried to shove his fingers down her throat and get her to undress.

He definitely went too far there, for sure, and that's the part of the article where Aziz definitely fucked up, absolutely. But the majority of the rest of the experience seems like she expected him to follow these vague clues, and when she did say no, he did back up, even if he did make a pretty big mistake after that point.

It's a tough situation to read, but we also cant pretend like it's impossible to miss "non-verbal cues", cause it happens all the time in just day to day social life, let alone things like sex. It's why good communication is so important.
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"She was like, 'Oh, did you see that firefighter? Hes so cute.' And I was like, Mom, I just got blown up."

CookieMarvin posted...

WafflehouseJK posted...

It kept mentioning "non-verbal cues", but like, at a certain point you need to just flat out say "No, I'm not doing this."

A lot of people suck at reading hints and cues. Be upfront about what you want or don't want, and a lot of people will respect that. You'll always have pieces of shit that will still try shit after that, but it seems in this case Aziz misread the signs, and while he maybe could have been less forward and probably should have pieced it together at a certain point, people still need to realize that "hints and cues" don't work. Be honest and blunt, verbally. Who gives a shit if you hurt their feelings? Make your intentions clear from the get-go, and the majority of people will understand that.

Ive seen some folks say that women avoid flat-out saying no to try and lower the chances of sexual violence. On a first meeting in which things are moving significantly faster than she expected, aziz was constantly testing her boundaries. He was persistent in toeing the line as she was trying to steer him away, and since she didnt know him well enough to feel entirely confident that he wouldn't lash out if she full-on rejected him, she conceded to try and minimize damage.

He wanted sex, and there's nothing wrong with people wanting sex. Yes, he absolutely was too pushy and misread the situation, he himself admitted that. But situations like this one in particular could have been solved with clear communication. Obviously I'm not trying to defend sexual violence, and I understand why women may be frightened given how frequent cases of sexual violence are, but I'm still a believer that clear communication is ultimately the best way to proceed with sexual encounters. I know I always ask the people I'm with if they're comfortable with whatever act I'm performing and tell them straight up if anything I/we do makes them uncomfortable, they need to tell me, cause I know that in the moment with hormones ablaze, it can be very easy to miss "clues", when a simple "No, I don't like that, stop." would have solved the issue and would cause me to stop immediately.
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"She was like, 'Oh, did you see that firefighter? Hes so cute.' And I was like, Mom, I just got blown up."

NaNaYeeze posted...

Like omg how dare a woman not want sex! Men are owed sex! /s

-Gavirulax- posted...

Ugh, revenge porn.....stupidity that is....

I agree with him, it's nonsense.

No it's not. If a woman says no, then she means no. Why do men think if they try hard enough she'll eventually relent and fuck you? Do men not realize how creepy they are by forcing themselves like that?

Except she didn't actually say no till very late into the encounter, and when she finally did, he did slow things down and put his clothes back on.

He definitely made some mistakes here, but she absolutely should have been more vocal in her unwillingness to have sex. Throughout the piece she mentioned her "non-verbal cues" which could be literally anything. You cant expect people to read minds, you have to be vocal and say "Hey, I don't want this."

He was definitely too pushy, but people also need to learn to be vocal about what they want and don't want, ESPECIALLY when it comes to sex, or else misunderstandings like this happen and fuck over everyone involved.
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"She was like, 'Oh, did you see that firefighter? Hes so cute.' And I was like, Mom, I just got blown up."

It kept mentioning "non-verbal cues", but like, at a certain point you need to just flat out say "No, I'm not doing this."

A lot of people suck at reading hints and cues. Be upfront about what you want or don't want, and a lot of people will respect that. You'll always have pieces of shit that will still try shit after that, but it seems in this case Aziz misread the signs, and while he maybe could have been less forward and probably should have pieced it together at a certain point, people still need to realize that "hints and cues" don't work. Be honest and blunt, verbally. Who gives a shit if you hurt their feelings? Make your intentions clear from the get-go, and the majority of people will understand that.
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"She was like, 'Oh, did you see that firefighter? Hes so cute.' And I was like, Mom, I just got blown up."

Here's a super shitty webcam selfie I just took:


And here's me in an ill-fitting suit from about a month ago:

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"She was like, 'Oh, did you see that firefighter? Hes so cute.' And I was like, Mom, I just got blown up."

Crazy Frog
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"She was like, 'Oh, did you see that firefighter? Hes so cute.' And I was like, Mom, I just got blown up."

RedWhiteBlue posted...

If he doesn't count then I pick Wafflehouse, who I know has expressed reasonable approaches to things. Don't know too much about the other mods and how they approach moderations, tbh.

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"She was like, 'Oh, did you see that firefighter? Hes so cute.' And I was like, Mom, I just got blown up."

lmao
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"She was like, 'Oh, did you see that firefighter? Hes so cute.' And I was like, Mom, I just got blown up."

I'm surprised they gave him that much screen time.
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"She was like, 'Oh, did you see that firefighter? Hes so cute.' And I was like, Mom, I just got blown up."

Ended up being real close.
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"She was like, 'Oh, did you see that firefighter? Hes so cute.' And I was like, Mom, I just got blown up."

You know you like it bby. ;)
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"She was like, 'Oh, did you see that firefighter? Hes so cute.' And I was like, Mom, I just got blown up."

MI4 REAL posted...

I'm not so sure.....German Shepherd was leading at 1/9 at 6:02 PM (1 minute before contest end)

The following vote for Manta Ray was cast at 6:05 PM

The topic started at 1/8 6:03:27 PM
GSD led 9-8 at 1/9 6:02:34PM (post 28)
Tying vote for Manta was cast at 6:05 PM (post 29)

Oh yea, huh, didn't notice that.
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"She was like, 'Oh, did you see that firefighter? Hes so cute.' And I was like, Mom, I just got blown up."

Why hath thou forsaken us @pinky0926
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"She was like, 'Oh, did you see that firefighter? Hes so cute.' And I was like, Mom, I just got blown up."

Ic3Bullet posted...

WafflehouseJK posted...

But I'm not a virgin, wat do?

For the sake of this topic, you are.

Eh, if it's guaranteed I'm gonna die, then sure, may as well end things with a bang.

;)
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Listening to the song Rasputin by Boney M. while working on my feature film script, gonna have to go to bed soon though, got class in the morning.

Drank a fuck ton of soda for the caffeine, helps me stay focused on my script.
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"She was like, 'Oh, did you see that firefighter? Hes so cute.' And I was like, Mom, I just got blown up."

But I'm not a virgin, wat do?
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"She was like, 'Oh, did you see that firefighter? Hes so cute.' And I was like, Mom, I just got blown up."

Sokka
Beast Boy
Wakko
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"She was like, 'Oh, did you see that firefighter? Hes so cute.' And I was like, Mom, I just got blown up."

I sleep in just my underwear most nights.
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"She was like, 'Oh, did you see that firefighter? Hes so cute.' And I was like, Mom, I just got blown up."

RIP Platypus and Penguin.
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"She was like, 'Oh, did you see that firefighter? Hes so cute.' And I was like, Mom, I just got blown up."

Manta Ray
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"She was like, 'Oh, did you see that firefighter? Hes so cute.' And I was like, Mom, I just got blown up."

Megamind
The Joker
Spiderman
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"She was like, 'Oh, did you see that firefighter? Hes so cute.' And I was like, Mom, I just got blown up."

MrBobGray posted...

Weirdly specific

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"She was like, 'Oh, did you see that firefighter? Hes so cute.' And I was like, Mom, I just got blown up."

Yu Yu Hakusho had the only tournament arc I liked.
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"She was like, 'Oh, did you see that firefighter? Hes so cute.' And I was like, Mom, I just got blown up."

Funkydog posted...

Covering Alien Ant Farm songs

lmao
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"She was like, 'Oh, did you see that firefighter? Hes so cute.' And I was like, Mom, I just got blown up."

I'd say so.
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"She was like, 'Oh, did you see that firefighter? Hes so cute.' And I was like, Mom, I just got blown up."

:(
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"She was like, 'Oh, did you see that firefighter? Hes so cute.' And I was like, Mom, I just got blown up."

Mikablu posted...

The Godfather trilogy

It's all on Netflix now, you should give it a watch.
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"She was like, 'Oh, did you see that firefighter? Hes so cute.' And I was like, Mom, I just got blown up."

DezDroppedFreak posted...

WafflehouseJK posted...

I've decided this is a general Golden Globes topic now. >_>

Did Aziz Ansari just thank himself during his speech? Could have sworn he said his own name. >_>

It was his brother Aniz lol

Ok, fair enough lol. I feel kinda bad now. >_>
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"She was like, 'Oh, did you see that firefighter? Hes so cute.' And I was like, Mom, I just got blown up."

I've decided this is a general Golden Globes topic now. >_>

Did Aziz Ansari just thank himself during his speech? Could have sworn he said his own name. >_>
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"She was like, 'Oh, did you see that firefighter? Hes so cute.' And I was like, Mom, I just got blown up."

I mean, Wiseau has said some pretty strange shit before. >_>

Still a shitty thing to do though.
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"She was like, 'Oh, did you see that firefighter? Hes so cute.' And I was like, Mom, I just got blown up."

No Country for Old Men is great if you're cool with modern Westerns.
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"She was like, 'Oh, did you see that firefighter? Hes so cute.' And I was like, Mom, I just got blown up."

Sounds like you haven't met many girls.
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"She was like, 'Oh, did you see that firefighter? Hes so cute.' And I was like, Mom, I just got blown up."

Zuko
Iroh
Sokka
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"She was like, 'Oh, did you see that firefighter? Hes so cute.' And I was like, Mom, I just got blown up."

NeonOctopus posted...

WafflehouseJK posted...

Literally worse than that new Jabba Palace theme in Special Edition >_>

Excuse you, Jabba Flow is great.
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"She was like, 'Oh, did you see that firefighter? Hes so cute.' And I was like, Mom, I just got blown up."

Manta Ray
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"She was like, 'Oh, did you see that firefighter? Hes so cute.' And I was like, Mom, I just got blown up."

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"She was like, 'Oh, did you see that firefighter? Hes so cute.' And I was like, Mom, I just got blown up."

Zoom:

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"She was like, 'Oh, did you see that firefighter? Hes so cute.' And I was like, Mom, I just got blown up."

Maria from Silent Hill 2.

"You're not Mary."
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"She was like, 'Oh, did you see that firefighter? Hes so cute.' And I was like, Mom, I just got blown up."