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Topic	PREDICTION: Trump is gonna fuck up the summit.
Vindris_SNH 06/11/18 8:50:44 PM #9	_BIueMonk posted... Vindris_SNH posted... Or at least that's what the biased liberal media has duped you into believing. cool another one for the ignore list. Ignoring anyone with a different opinion... smart. Nice to see so many people have open minds. --- glitteringfairy: Just build the damn wall ThyCorndog: and how exactly will that stop the mexican space program from orbital dropping illegal immigrants?
Topic	PREDICTION: Trump is gonna fuck up the summit.
Vindris_SNH 06/11/18 8:46:17 PM #5	YellowSUV posted... Vindris_SNH posted... You still think predicting what is going to happen with Trump is a good idea? Predicting Trump will fuck up is correct 99% of the time. Or at least that's what the biased liberal media has duped you into believing. --- glitteringfairy: Just build the damn wall ThyCorndog: and how exactly will that stop the mexican space program from orbital dropping illegal immigrants?
Topic	Trump trying to get rid of pre-existing condition protections
Vindris_SNH 06/11/18 8:44:58 PM #421	Obama's pre-existing conditions rule was one of the few things I thought he actually did right. If what the title of the thread suggests is true, that's very unfortunate. --- glitteringfairy: Just build the damn wall ThyCorndog: and how exactly will that stop the mexican space program from orbital dropping illegal immigrants?
Topic	PREDICTION: Trump is gonna fuck up the summit.
Vindris_SNH 06/11/18 8:42:41 PM #3	You still think predicting what is going to happen with Trump is a good idea? --- glitteringfairy: Just build the damn wall ThyCorndog: and how exactly will that stop the mexican space program from orbital dropping illegal immigrants?
Topic	Do you think gay bakers should be allowed to refuse to serve Christians?
Vindris_SNH 06/11/18 8:07:15 PM #158	Abyssea posted... Fam_Fam posted... Abyssea posted... How is a gay wedding a celebration of homosexuality though? That might be your personal definition of it, but deciding how you treat people based on your personal biases is the very definition of discrimination. To the gay couple, it is just a wedding. You're refusing to serve them in the way you'd serve anyone else ordering something for a wedding, and that makes it discrimination. its a celebration of a homosexual union, which is sinful according to some christians To them maybe, to everyone else it is just celebrating a union. You're forcing your definition on them. These bakers aren't forcing their beliefs or definitions on anyone, they simply want to have the freedom to refuse to do something that would make them go against their own moral code. --- glitteringfairy: Just build the damn wall ThyCorndog: and how exactly will that stop the mexican space program from orbital dropping illegal immigrants?
Topic	Do you think gay bakers should be allowed to refuse to serve Christians?
Vindris_SNH 06/11/18 8:05:07 PM #157	Asherlee10 posted... Again: You also seem to think that discrimination has to be consistent in order for it to be discrimination. That's beyond silly. Whether or not something is discrimination is entirely based around the motives of the person being accused of discrimination. I have clearly explained why these bakers are refusing to bake cakes for gay weddings, and it is not because the people being served are gay. At this point I don't see how you're not being willfully ignorant. --- glitteringfairy: Just build the damn wall ThyCorndog: and how exactly will that stop the mexican space program from orbital dropping illegal immigrants?
Topic	Do you think gay bakers should be allowed to refuse to serve Christians?
Vindris_SNH 06/11/18 12:24:02 PM #148	Asherlee10 posted... Vindris_SNH posted... Asherlee10 posted... Vindris_SNH posted... Asherlee10 posted... That amount of mental gymnastics it takes to (unsuccessfully) attempt to show that this is somehow not discrimination is very disappointing and disheartening. Calling a logical conclusion "mental gymnastics" is an awfully weak and lazy attempt at shutting it down. If this were discrimination, the bakers wouldn't serve gay people at all. They have no problem serving gay people, unless serving them causes them to take part in the celebration of something they believe is morally wrong. If a straight person asked them to bake a cake that said "fuck Jesus", they probably wouldn't do it, and for the same reason. That would have nothing to do with discrimination, just as this doesn't. That doesn't come close to mental gymnastics, unless you have problems understanding basic concepts. The thing is, you don't have a logical conclusion and you are exhibiting mental gymnastics to try to push an obtuse viewpoint that makes little to no sense. You also seem to think that discrimination has to be consistent in order for it to be discrimination. That's beyond silly. Let me go back and reiterate, and try to make this simple for you... Would a Christian baker bake a cake that said "Fuck Jesus!" for a gay customer? ~~No.~~ Does that have anything to do with the fact that they are gay? ~~No.~~ Therefore, is it discrimination? ~~No.~~ Now, apply the same reasoning to the gay wedding cake scenario. If you can't understand something that simple, then we're never going to get anywhere. That is in no way related to the scenario and again, here you are trying to use mental gymnastics to make your point that this is somehow not discrimination. It is discrimination and there is no skirting around it. What is also upsetting is that you are batting so heavily on the wrong side here. What the fuck? Since you're still not getting it... Let's say a gay man goes into this Christian bakery and says, "I'm gay! Will you please make me a birthday cake?" The baker will have no problem making the cake, because they're helping someone (who happens to be gay) celebrate their birthday. In this case, they are not taking part in the celebration of homosexuality, they are simply helping someone to celebrate the day of their birth. Why do you think the baker is willing to serve a gay person for their birthday, but not for their wedding? If they were discriminatory against gay people, why are they willing to serve them in some scenarios, but not in others? The answer is what I've been telling you all along. --- glitteringfairy: Just build the damn wall ThyCorndog: and how exactly will that stop the mexican space program from orbital dropping illegal immigrants?
Topic	Do you think gay bakers should be allowed to refuse to serve Christians?
Vindris_SNH 06/11/18 9:39:28 AM #142	Asherlee10 posted... Vindris_SNH posted... Asherlee10 posted... That amount of mental gymnastics it takes to (unsuccessfully) attempt to show that this is somehow not discrimination is very disappointing and disheartening. Calling a logical conclusion "mental gymnastics" is an awfully weak and lazy attempt at shutting it down. If this were discrimination, the bakers wouldn't serve gay people at all. They have no problem serving gay people, unless serving them causes them to take part in the celebration of something they believe is morally wrong. If a straight person asked them to bake a cake that said "fuck Jesus", they probably wouldn't do it, and for the same reason. That would have nothing to do with discrimination, just as this doesn't. That doesn't come close to mental gymnastics, unless you have problems understanding basic concepts. The thing is, you don't have a logical conclusion and you are exhibiting mental gymnastics to try to push an obtuse viewpoint that makes little to no sense. You also seem to think that discrimination has to be consistent in order for it to be discrimination. That's beyond silly. Let me go back and reiterate, and try to make this simple for you... Would a Christian baker bake a cake that said "Fuck Jesus!" for a gay customer? ~~No.~~ Does that have anything to do with the fact that they are gay? ~~No.~~ Therefore, is it discrimination? ~~No.~~ Now, apply the same reasoning to the gay wedding cake scenario. If you can't understand something that simple, then we're never going to get anywhere. --- glitteringfairy: Just build the damn wall ThyCorndog: and how exactly will that stop the mexican space program from orbital dropping illegal immigrants?
Topic	Do you think gay bakers should be allowed to refuse to serve Christians?
Vindris_SNH 06/11/18 9:24:46 AM #139	Asherlee10 posted... That amount of mental gymnastics it takes to (unsuccessfully) attempt to show that this is somehow not discrimination is very disappointing and disheartening. Calling a logical conclusion "mental gymnastics" is an awfully weak and lazy attempt at shutting it down. If this were discrimination, the bakers wouldn't serve gay people at all. They have no problem serving gay people, unless serving them causes them to take part in the celebration of something they believe is morally wrong. If a straight person asked them to bake a cake that said "fuck Jesus", they probably wouldn't do it, and for the same reason. That would have nothing to do with discrimination, just as this doesn't. That doesn't come close to mental gymnastics, unless you have problems understanding basic concepts. --- glitteringfairy: Just build the damn wall ThyCorndog: and how exactly will that stop the mexican space program from orbital dropping illegal immigrants?
Topic	Bethesda E3 Press Conference
Vindris_SNH 06/10/18 8:27:11 PM #48	crennigo posted... I cant wait for the announce of Skyrim game of the decade edition. lmao --- glitteringfairy: Just build the damn wall ThyCorndog: and how exactly will that stop the mexican space program from orbital dropping illegal immigrants?
Topic	Do you think gay bakers should be allowed to refuse to serve Christians?
Vindris_SNH 06/10/18 8:10:00 PM #136	hockeybub89 posted... Vindris_SNH posted... hockeybub89 posted... Vindris_SNH posted... Darklit_Minuet posted... I don't get why people want companies to be able to discriminate. They don't. This isn't about discrimination. It's about not being forced to do something that goes against your religious beliefs. If yout beliefs tell you to discriminate, fuck your beliefs and deal with the person anyway. "Don't discriminate, unless you believe really hard that you shouldn't deal with those people" Can you not read? I am saying they should be forced to go against their religious beliefs if following their religious beliefs would result in discriminating. We have to be bigger than our beliefs to make this whole society thing work. I don't know why you're still talking about discrimination when I've already proved that what these bakers are doing isn't discrimination, assuming that I'm accurate in my assessment of their motives. --- glitteringfairy: Just build the damn wall ThyCorndog: and how exactly will that stop the mexican space program from orbital dropping illegal immigrants?
Topic	Do you think gay bakers should be allowed to refuse to serve Christians?
Vindris_SNH 06/09/18 7:27:24 PM #132	hockeybub89 posted... Vindris_SNH posted... Darklit_Minuet posted... I don't get why people want companies to be able to discriminate. They don't. This isn't about discrimination. It's about not being forced to do something that goes against your religious beliefs. If yout beliefs tell you to discriminate, fuck your beliefs and deal with the person anyway. "Don't discriminate, unless you believe really hard that you shouldn't deal with those people" Can you not read? --- glitteringfairy: Just build the damn wall ThyCorndog: and how exactly will that stop the mexican space program from orbital dropping illegal immigrants?
Topic	Do you think gay bakers should be allowed to refuse to serve Christians?
Vindris_SNH 06/09/18 8:49:26 AM #118	Darklit_Minuet posted... I don't get why people want companies to be able to discriminate. They don't. This isn't about discrimination. It's about not being forced to do something that goes against your religious beliefs. --- glitteringfairy: Just build the damn wall ThyCorndog: and how exactly will that stop the mexican space program from orbital dropping illegal immigrants?
Topic	Do you think gay bakers should be allowed to refuse to serve Christians?
Vindris_SNH 06/09/18 8:44:14 AM #116	Abyssea posted... Vindris_SNH posted... Rather than hating on what you don't fully understand, you should make an effort to accept and appreciate people for their differences. If only Christians would follow suit. Agreed. A lot of Christians are hypocritical. But for the record, refusing service because performing that service would cause you to go against your religious beliefs is not hate. --- glitteringfairy: Just build the damn wall ThyCorndog: and how exactly will that stop the mexican space program from orbital dropping illegal immigrants?
Topic	Any married people here into swinging?
Vindris_SNH 06/07/18 7:04:02 PM #6	Romulox28 posted... lookin for that strange, eh vindris The wife and I have discussed it. Conception616 posted... How many inches are you, TC? 7 Dyinglegacy posted... I set on the swing when we take our son to the park. Does that count? I'm in. --- glitteringfairy: Just build the damn wall ThyCorndog: and how exactly will that stop the mexican space program from orbital dropping illegal immigrants?
Topic	Do you think gay bakers should be allowed to refuse to serve Christians?
Vindris_SNH 06/07/18 7:00:57 PM #83	Darklit_Minuet posted... LRodC posted... Darklit_Minuet posted... Webmaster4531 posted... No business should be allowed to deny service to a protected class whether it's a religion or sexual preference. This, but religion should no longer be a protected class because it's a choice So is being gay. You can choose to accept liking men or not. Attraction is not a choice. Acting on it is, but that's irrelevant. Religion is always a choice. I chose to stop believing in fictional stories about magical sky fairies when I was 8 Religion is more than a choice. That's like calling your favorite food a choice. It's not a choice, it's just the way it is for some people. It's about what makes the most sense to them, and them not living a lie. If I experienced something that convinced me God was real, but then lived like he wasn't real, I'd be a fool. Not everyone sees things exactly the way you do. Rather than hating on what you don't fully understand, you should make an effort to accept and appreciate people for their differences. --- glitteringfairy: Just build the damn wall ThyCorndog: and how exactly will that stop the mexican space program from orbital dropping illegal immigrants?
Topic	My psycho boss blocked ANOTHER website today, today's new blocked website?
Vindris_SNH 06/07/18 4:18:29 PM #5	Use tunneling VPN websites --- glitteringfairy: Just build the damn wall ThyCorndog: and how exactly will that stop the mexican space program from orbital dropping illegal immigrants?
Topic	Any married people here into swinging?
Vindris_SNH 06/07/18 4:17:21 PM #1	What are your experiences? --- glitteringfairy: Just build the damn wall ThyCorndog: and how exactly will that stop the mexican space program from orbital dropping illegal immigrants?
Topic	Ubisoft believes the next generation will be the last console gen
Vindris_SNH 06/07/18 4:15:31 PM #68	Console gaming is for casuals. PC gaming is for passionate gamers. --- glitteringfairy: Just build the damn wall ThyCorndog: and how exactly will that stop the mexican space program from orbital dropping illegal immigrants?
Topic	Do you think gay bakers should be allowed to refuse to serve Christians?
Vindris_SNH 06/07/18 4:12:13 PM #76	Abyssea posted... Vindris_SNH posted... Abyssea posted... Vindris_SNH posted... hockeybub89 posted... Vindris_SNH posted... No one should be forced to participate in things they consider to be immoral. Why open a bakery to the public if baking for the all of the public is immoral? If you want to follow your morals, open a member only club. Why open a gun shop to the public if you're not going to serve murderers? They do serve murderers all the time though... Wittingly? Depends on how dirty they are. :v But selling a gun to a murderer is nowhere near selling a cake to a gay person. It is crazy you'd even try to make that comparison. See my previous post. I'm not comparing murder and homosexuality directly. That's ridiculous. I'm giving an example that might help you understand how these Christians feel when they are told they must participate in something they believe is immoral. --- glitteringfairy: Just build the damn wall ThyCorndog: and how exactly will that stop the mexican space program from orbital dropping illegal immigrants?
Topic	Do you think gay bakers should be allowed to refuse to serve Christians?
Vindris_SNH 06/07/18 4:09:21 PM #75	hockeybub89 posted... Vindris_SNH posted... hockeybub89 posted... Vindris_SNH posted... No one should be forced to participate in things they consider to be immoral. Why open a bakery to the public if baking for the all of the public is immoral? If you want to follow your morals, open a member only club. Why open a gun shop to the public if you're not going to serve murderers? Can convicted murderers even pass a background check? Also what is with people comparing gay people to Nazis and murderers in these debates? Is this some emotional ploy to get people to question their views or are we admitting our true feelings on gay people? I was using an example of something that everyone thinks is wrong so you can better understand how people feel when they're forced to do something they feel is morally irresponsible. A person who thinks homosexuality is immoral should not be forced to participate in the celebration of homosexuality. A person who thinks murder is wrong should not be forced to wittingly provide a murderer with a murder weapon. I'm not at all saying that I think homosexuality is as bad as murder. That's absurd. --- glitteringfairy: Just build the damn wall ThyCorndog: and how exactly will that stop the mexican space program from orbital dropping illegal immigrants?
Topic	Do you think gay bakers should be allowed to refuse to serve Christians?
Vindris_SNH 06/07/18 4:03:57 PM #72	Abyssea posted... Vindris_SNH posted... hockeybub89 posted... Vindris_SNH posted... No one should be forced to participate in things they consider to be immoral. Why open a bakery to the public if baking for the all of the public is immoral? If you want to follow your morals, open a member only club. Why open a gun shop to the public if you're not going to serve murderers? They do serve murderers all the time though... Wittingly? --- glitteringfairy: Just build the damn wall ThyCorndog: and how exactly will that stop the mexican space program from orbital dropping illegal immigrants?
Topic	Do you think gay bakers should be allowed to refuse to serve Christians?
Vindris_SNH 06/07/18 2:52:52 PM #41	hockeybub89 posted... Vindris_SNH posted... No one should be forced to participate in things they consider to be immoral. Why open a bakery to the public if baking for the all of the public is immoral? If you want to follow your morals, open a member only club. Why open a gun shop to the public if you're not going to serve murderers? --- glitteringfairy: Just build the damn wall ThyCorndog: and how exactly will that stop the mexican space program from orbital dropping illegal immigrants?
Topic	Factorio: the perfect video game for people who love creative problem solving
Vindris_SNH 06/07/18 2:50:01 PM #1	Factorio is an amazing game. If you're not playing it, you're really missing out. Looks pretty lame on the surface (which is why it took my friend a year to finally convince me to try it), but here are a couple review videos that will hopefully convince you to take the plunge. Be warned... This game will consume you. --- glitteringfairy: Just build the damn wall ThyCorndog: and how exactly will that stop the mexican space program from orbital dropping illegal immigrants?
Topic	Do you think gay bakers should be allowed to refuse to serve Christians?
Vindris_SNH 06/07/18 2:41:34 PM #36	Abyssea posted... Vindris_SNH posted... What people don't seem to understand is that these bakeries aren't refusing to serve gay people. They are refusing to take part in something they consider immoral - the celebration of homosexuality. If a gay couple asked them to bake a birthday cake, I'm sure they would be fine with that, because they would be taking part in the celebration of a birth, not homosexuality. If a straight friend of the gay couple was buying the gay couple their wedding cake for them, the baker wouldn't serve the straight person either because, again, it's not about who they are serving, but rather what they themselves are participating in by providing that specific service. They're refusing to serve them the same way they would a straight couple. What if a gay baker didn't want to bake a cake to be served at a church that condemns homosexuals? Could they refuse to do it? They'd be taking part in something they don't agree with as well. No one should be forced to participate in things they consider to be immoral. If a gay baker felt he would somehow be taking part in the condemnation of homosexuality, then he should have every right to refuse to participate in whatever activity would cause that. --- glitteringfairy: Just build the damn wall ThyCorndog: and how exactly will that stop the mexican space program from orbital dropping illegal immigrants?
Topic	How long until they reboot or revive Friends?
Vindris_SNH 06/07/18 2:31:30 PM #10	Some sort of reunion would be cool, but as it has been said, the actors don't have interest, and they're smart for that, because they couldn't possibly satisfy long time fans with any new content. It will only serve to diminish the great sitcom that we already have. --- glitteringfairy: Just build the damn wall ThyCorndog: and how exactly will that stop the mexican space program from orbital dropping illegal immigrants?
Topic	Do you think gay bakers should be allowed to refuse to serve Christians?
Vindris_SNH 06/07/18 2:03:47 PM #32	What people don't seem to understand is that these bakeries aren't refusing to serve gay people. They are refusing to take part in something they consider immoral - the celebration of homosexuality. If a gay couple asked them to bake a birthday cake, I'm sure they would be fine with that, because they would be taking part in the celebration of a birth, not homosexuality. If a straight friend of the gay couple was buying the gay couple their wedding cake for them, the baker wouldn't serve the straight person either because, again, it's not about who they are serving, but rather what they themselves are participating in by providing that specific service. --- glitteringfairy: Just build the damn wall ThyCorndog: and how exactly will that stop the mexican space program from orbital dropping illegal immigrants?
Topic	Has a song ever made you cry?
Vindris_SNH 06/07/18 12:50:01 PM #21	Gouryella - Ligaya (Airbase Remix) Angels & Airwaves - Do It For Me Now --- glitteringfairy: Just build the damn wall ThyCorndog: and how exactly will that stop the mexican space program from orbital dropping illegal immigrants?
Topic	ST TNG > All Star Wars media combined
Vindris_SNH 06/07/18 12:36:11 PM #7	@Ranting_Nord posted... I don't know, DS9 was pretty good. I have yet to watch it, but I definitely want to, and probably will soon. I've watched through TNG 5+ times. --- glitteringfairy: Just build the damn wall ThyCorndog: and how exactly will that stop the mexican space program from orbital dropping illegal immigrants?
Topic	ST TNG > All Star Wars media combined
Vindris_SNH 06/07/18 12:26:38 PM #1	Not that I don't like Star Wars, but The Next Generation is one of the best shows of all time. --- glitteringfairy: Just build the damn wall ThyCorndog: and how exactly will that stop the mexican space program from orbital dropping illegal immigrants?
Topic	ctrl+V Topic
Vindris_SNH 06/07/18 12:24:15 PM #238	[my sister's address] --- glitteringfairy: Just build the damn wall ThyCorndog: and how exactly will that stop the mexican space program from orbital dropping illegal immigrants?
Topic	Anyone else have trouble relating to the show Friends?
Vindris_SNH 06/07/18 12:22:48 PM #14	Imagine taking a sitcom this seriously. --- glitteringfairy: Just build the damn wall ThyCorndog: and how exactly will that stop the mexican space program from orbital dropping illegal immigrants?
Topic	Post great SNES music here
Vindris_SNH 06/02/18 10:03:51 AM #188	@CE_gonna_CE posted... bnui_ransder posted... I can't find any right now but anything from Wanderers from Ys or 7th Saga because in played the shit out of those two when I was younger You literally posted the two tracks from that exact game that I was going to post. That game's music is severely underheard and underrated. --- glitteringfairy: Just build the damn wall ThyCorndog: and how exactly will that stop the mexican space program from orbital dropping illegal immigrants?
Topic	I can't stop laughing
Vindris_SNH 06/02/18 10:01:16 AM #12	BillWardsPants posted... Oh man, it's just cringy when they're actually trying, ahhk --- glitteringfairy: Just build the damn wall ThyCorndog: and how exactly will that stop the mexican space program from orbital dropping illegal immigrants?
Topic	I can't stop laughing
Vindris_SNH 06/02/18 12:31:40 AM #7	TheVipaGTS posted... this isn't funny...its just a try hard version of this... I'm aware of this video too. Both are hilarious IMO --- glitteringfairy: Just build the damn wall ThyCorndog: and how exactly will that stop the mexican space program from orbital dropping illegal immigrants?
Topic	I can't stop laughing
Vindris_SNH 06/02/18 12:29:04 AM #4	Johnny_Nutcase posted... Your sense of humor makes me sick. I'm laughing too hard to care --- glitteringfairy: Just build the damn wall ThyCorndog: and how exactly will that stop the mexican space program from orbital dropping illegal immigrants?
Topic	I can't stop laughing
Vindris_SNH 06/02/18 12:25:53 AM #1	--- glitteringfairy: Just build the damn wall ThyCorndog: and how exactly will that stop the mexican space program from orbital dropping illegal immigrants?
Topic	Wait, Admiral used to be a mod?
Vindris_SNH 05/19/18 10:40:36 PM #8	Delirious_Beard posted... he's basically pandamaster always going into topics about black criminals to call them "thugs" it's all so obviously deliberate Seen him call white criminals thugs too. But you'll believe whatever you want. --- glitteringfairy: Just build the damn wall ThyCorndog: and how exactly will that stop the mexican space program from orbital dropping illegal immigrants?
Topic	Can money buy happiness?
Vindris_SNH 05/19/18 10:32:59 PM #44	Money can't buy contentedness, which is one of the keys to being happy. Money might keep you entertained for a relatively short time, but it will not keep you happy. Why do you think so many wealthy people exhibit self destructive behavior? They clearly aren't happy. --- glitteringfairy: Just build the damn wall ThyCorndog: and how exactly will that stop the mexican space program from orbital dropping illegal immigrants?
Topic	Wait, Admiral used to be a mod?
Vindris_SNH 05/19/18 10:28:34 PM #5	A_Good_Boy posted... the dude is always here and trolling Admiral isn't a troll. He's a reasonable poster that comes from the political right, and people don't like that he can shut them down with solid arguments, so they call him a troll, just like you're doing right now. --- glitteringfairy: Just build the damn wall ThyCorndog: and how exactly will that stop the mexican space program from orbital dropping illegal immigrants?
Topic	ITT: Good posters
Vindris_SNH 05/19/18 10:27:04 PM #32	me yw --- glitteringfairy: Just build the damn wall ThyCorndog: and how exactly will that stop the mexican space program from orbital dropping illegal immigrants?
Topic	Is whipping your kid with your belt child abuse?
Vindris_SNH 05/14/18 3:19:19 PM #386	Thread completely derailed. Wow. --- glitteringfairy: Just build the damn wall ThyCorndog: and how exactly will that stop the mexican space program from orbital dropping illegal immigrants?
Topic	Is whipping your kid with your belt child abuse?
Vindris_SNH 05/14/18 12:47:37 PM #372	scar the 1 posted... Vindris_SNH posted... The fact is, we have incomplete or completely lacking information related to what you're saying here, because studies haven't taken into account the factors necessary to figure this stuff out. That's what I've been suggesting the entire thread. We need studies that take into account all the critical factors before everyone starts coming out and saying spanking should never be used. The fact is, we don't need those studies, because there's nothing that suggests that spanking would ever be necessary. There is evidence that people are doing it wrong, and there's evidence that children are suffering for it. And your attempt to justify your stance with numbers is honestly so bad it doesn't warrant a serious response. This is why I hope that you're not being sincere in your line of reasoning. I already previously addressed every point you just made. I dont know what new information I can give you. Youre bringing up points Ive already refuted. I think Ive presented my case very clearly in this thread, and nothing new from anyone in the last few pages has been able to legitimately shut down my arguments. To summarize my main point in this thread... Spanking studies fail to consider that spanking itself may not be the issue, but rather the misuse of spanking as a disciplinary tool could be what is causing an increased chance of mental health issues in people who were spanked. Therefore, one cannot logically conclude that spanking is intrinsically bad. --- glitteringfairy: Just build the damn wall ThyCorndog: and how exactly will that stop the mexican space program from orbital dropping illegal immigrants?
Topic	Is whipping your kid with your belt child abuse?
Vindris_SNH 05/14/18 8:17:37 AM #346	TheCurseX2 posted... Howl posted... There has actually been a worldwide case study of spanking with conclusive results that it is not harmful. Source? 80% of parents in the world spank their children. That's 6.08 billion people in the world. Logically if spanking was a harmful practice as stated there would be much higher instances of mental illness than we see. The data this provides is much more useful than small studies of 1000 children. It is fully conclusive and there is absolutely no way to refute it. Spanking is the lowest form of physical punishment too. People ITT treating it like it's some traumatizing event are people that go fetal in life when they are faced with an issue. Too many parents want to be best pals with their kids, and that means they eventually become spoiled brats that walk around with narcissism and entitlement because they were never smacked down to reality. If more parents in the past 30 years put the boots to junior, then we'd not have all the concaved chested weaklings that think because they hit 21 they're men. Interesting... https://goo.gl/MitWu3 70% of Americans agree spanking is sometimes necessary to discipline a child. https://www.nami.org/learn-more/mental-health-by-the-numbers 18.5% of Americans experience mental health issues within a given year (we're not even talking about permanent mental health issues, this covers a huge spectrum). If 70% of Americans use spanking and 18.5% of Americans experience mental health issues... Well, even if you assume that this 18.5% are all because of spanking... Seems to suggest that spanking isn't so risky after all. --- glitteringfairy: Just build the damn wall ThyCorndog: and how exactly will that stop the mexican space program from orbital dropping illegal immigrants?
Topic	Is whipping your kid with your belt child abuse?
Vindris_SNH 05/14/18 8:09:08 AM #344	scar the 1 posted... Vindris_SNH posted... That is not correct. I have a life of experience to support my stance on spanking, as well as the life experience and wisdom of many other people I know who have used spanking on their children effectively, to raise well-adjusted, successful individuals who, as far as I am aware, do not have any mental health issues. However, I am not aware of a scientific study that has been designed to prove my theories. If we found out it exists and saw the results, I think you would be proven wrong. Well, first of all you can't really speak for the well-being of those individuals you know. Unless you know them very intimately. Secondly, you have no basis other than your bias for saying that it's the spanking that made you and all them turn out fine. What you're describing doesn't even contradict the notion that spanking introduces a risk, because that's not how probability works. As for it being difficult to administer properly, what I mean with difficult is "a lot of people demonstrably can't do it". It's pretty much the best objective measure of difficulty you'll find. Of course you think it's easy because you claim to know how. The fact is, we have incomplete or completely lacking information related to what you're saying here, because studies haven't taken into account the factors necessary to figure this stuff out. That's what I've been suggesting the entire thread. We need studies that take into account all the critical factors before everyone starts coming out and saying spanking should never be used. --- glitteringfairy: Just build the damn wall ThyCorndog: and how exactly will that stop the mexican space program from orbital dropping illegal immigrants?
Topic	Is whipping your kid with your belt child abuse?
Vindris_SNH 05/14/18 8:07:04 AM #343	LockeMonster posted... You're still not getting it. Your shit logic can be applied to anything that doesn't have clear cut answers. Once again, people have accepted your viewpoint and offered rebuttals. I don't get why you keep crying you're being ignored. You're ignoring everybody else because you think you are very smart and have the final viewpoints and can't see anything beyond it. Hence why you keep crying about it. This is a case where important information was truly not included in the study. I've explained why. Studies sometimes don't have perfectly clear answers, but remain mostly accurate in their conclusions, because the factors not accounted for wouldn't cause much change in the results. However, in this case, the factors I mentioned are actually critical factors that play a huge part in results of these studies. The studies effectively conclude that spanking is so risky that it should never be used, but if the factors I've been listing throughout this thread were accounted for, they could change the conclusions of these studies drastically. If you understand what I'm saying, then why do you keep insisting that you have scientific evidence which proves as a virtual fact that I shouldn't use spanking as a disciplinary tool? Because I have proven that you don't. No one in this thread who has read and understood what I've written would continue to say, "Spanking should never be used". LockeMonster posted... You made your fucking point. You want to experiment beating your children since you've already admit it's just a theory. I'm telling you that's deranged, and it's showing me and the others in this topic that you in fact have issues and did not turn out fine. Pretty straight forward. I don't ever want to beat my children. If you can't at least admit there is a distinction between "beating" and "spanking", then you are clearly close-minded and uninterested in having an intelligent discussion. Beating suggests something more than what I'm referring to when I'm talking about spanking, and you're using it to demonize my position. You can admit that or not, I don't really care, but I know what you're doing, and so does everyone else reading this thread. --- glitteringfairy: Just build the damn wall ThyCorndog: and how exactly will that stop the mexican space program from orbital dropping illegal immigrants?
Topic	Is whipping your kid with your belt child abuse?
Vindris_SNH 05/14/18 12:03:21 AM #336	LockeMonster posted... Youve literally personally attacked everyone that has tried arguing with you even when theyve understood your point and put up several rebuttals. The reason people are now shitting on you is because were way beyond that point. Youre stubborn as fuck and have zero room for anything but your personal bullshit theory that has nothing substantial behind it other than life experiences . So people dont have the time to waste other than point and laugh and feel sorry for you and your children. You cant speak for anyone but yourself. You assume everyone, including your lame family, is free of all issues, which is your exact issue and which was likely caused by your dad, who looks like a child beater, beating you. Theres people out there that go their whole lives not even realizing fucked up shit happened. The end point is that youre going to experiment beating your own kids when theres tons of other methods, which you discard again with nothing substantial other than your personal bullshit feelings. What you don't seem to realize is that your stance on spanking is also no more than "life experiences" and "personal bullshit feelings". "BUT MAH STUDIES!"... Yeah, I already explained exactly why the results of these studies are misleading and don't actually prove that spanking itself is harmful, but once again, I've been completely ignored. Also, I may have brought the intelligence of a few posters into question (because frankly, I do wonder), but you've straight up attacked me and my family. That's seriously messed up dude. I know this is the internet and all, but I'm just as real a person as you. Based on this conversation, any outsider reading this would think you're the one who's seriously messed up. You treat people you disagree with like subhumans. --- glitteringfairy: Just build the damn wall ThyCorndog: and how exactly will that stop the mexican space program from orbital dropping illegal immigrants?
Topic	Is whipping your kid with your belt child abuse?
Vindris_SNH 05/13/18 8:38:49 PM #334	voldothegr8 posted... Vindris_SNH posted... My sister and her husband's new baby girl https://imgur.com/NnSmi8O I hope they're aware to keep her away from you. Did you have anything constructive to add to the discussion? --- glitteringfairy: Just build the damn wall ThyCorndog: and how exactly will that stop the mexican space program from orbital dropping illegal immigrants?
Topic	Is whipping your kid with your belt child abuse?
Vindris_SNH 05/13/18 8:02:09 PM #332	LockeMonster posted... Vindris_SNH posted... If you think my logic is "braindead", either you didn't bother to read it, you weren't able to comprehend it, or you're too heavily influenced by peer pressure to gather the courage it takes to stand up against something most people (who are vocal) will disagree with you on. I feel sorry that your parents beat you so much that you're here today posting this completely bullshit post filled with illogical leaps, all to justify child abuse. You think you're way smarter than you actually are in reality. I feel even worse for your kids for having a dad that would experiment beatings on their kids simply because he believes it helps without a single shred of substantial evidence other than "I think it's effective because I turned out fine" which in itself is a damn lie. Your arguments in this topic prove you definitely did not turn out fine. Your stubbornness is proof of several mental blocks, likely caused by the beatings. Your theory holds absolutely no real weight. You can form a logical response to my criticism of these studies or resort to personally attacking me. The one you choose is a good indicator of the kind of person you are. For the record, I had very loving parents who did use spanking as a disciplinary tool on myself and my two siblings. Just went to hang out with my parents and family today for Mother's day, along with my new little niece that my sister just had last weekend. Our family is just about as perfect as a family could get. I have a handful of very close friends who are basically extended family, I'm a married man, and I treat my wife with love and respect. I don't think I've been in a fight one time in my entire life. My two siblings (a brother and sister) are both happily married. I'm running on my 4th year of marriage, and it still feels like we're in the honeymoon phase. If you could take a peek into my life, you would probably be very surprised (based on your response) to see a very healthy, loving family, and a life filled with joy. My wife and I https://imgur.com/NtU7ElC My Mom and Dad https://imgur.com/m6I0Syt My brother and his wife https://imgur.com/ksmEXOk My sister and her husband https://imgur.com/wc6LQS4 My sister and her husband's new baby girl https://imgur.com/NnSmi8O --- glitteringfairy: Just build the damn wall ThyCorndog: and how exactly will that stop the mexican space program from orbital dropping illegal immigrants?
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