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The Admiral posted...

Who doesnt like free money?

No such thing as a free lunch.
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Vindris_SNH posted...

Again, I don't casually talk about how sexy my co-workers are.

No one was asking about you specifically. The first thing you said that we were debating about was "How does a group of dudes talking about how hot a co-worker is affect her?" I'm not sure at what point you changed it to "He's talking about ME!"

Vindris_SNH posted...

You can only change these facts of life to a certain extent, and I'm all for that, but it'll never completely go away.

Then shut the fuck up already because this is no different from my point.
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Infinite 2003 posted...

Even if men do it a bit more,

Don't lie to yourself. Men do it a LOT more.
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Vindris_SNH posted...

I think whether or not it's talked about, SOME men will treat women differently based on how attractive they are. That's just how the world works.

And I think that only gets better when we actively acknowledge our biases and work to correct them, and that it only gets worse when we ignore them and casually talk about how sexy our coworkers are, using the excuse of "that's just how the world works."
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leverageblargh posted...

Where were all those angry racists when Obama was elected twice?

Voting for the other guy.

Hillary lost (in part) because a large number of Democrats in swing states didn't vote. They were apathetic to her. The number of "angry racists" in favor of the Republican candidate didn't change.
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Plus you guys are talking like we'll even make it to 2020.
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Antifar posted...

UrCa1988 posted...

That's how polls work, they give the chances, not a for sure "candidate X will win /lose (at least good polls don't)." Looking at 538's aggregate, putting him at 28.6% chance of victory doesn't mean the poll is wrong, it means the 28.6% happened.

.286 would be a solid batting average in baseball; no one would act as though the metric is flawed when that guy got a hit.

This is exactly what I came to ask about.

People saying "The polls were wrong last time" is kinda like people saying "I guarantee this baseball player will get two hits in a row. Stupid liberals playing the odds..."
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Vindris_SNH posted...

That_Happened posted...

if you honestly think getting together with the guys and talking about the hotties in your office doesn't affect how those women are treated professionally then god bless.

I don't do talk about how hot women are with anyone except my wife.

You drunk? You completely mis-read my first post, then you missed the point of my second post, now you're not even making sense. Hitting the holiday egg nog a little early?
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Vindris_SNH posted...

That_Happened posted...

Vindris_SNH posted...

It does? How? How does a group of dudes talking about how hot a co-worker is affect her? Assuming none of these guys actually sexually assault her in any way, and assuming she never finds out they talked about how hot she is... how is she affected?

It's not exactly rare for men to show favoritism to hot women in the workplace. Also when you're contributing to a workplace environment where your co-workers are noticed more for how they look instead of the work they're doing it devalues those women. When my guy co-workers go to a project manager with questions I want the first thing they think about to be her ability and not her boobs or what she's wearing. It's just a very negative thing to do and I wouldn't want to contribute to it (also if you want the person to be productive and make a better business for all you'd avoid that kind of behavior in the first place).

But guys talking about women they find attractive in general I have no problem with.

Acknowledging a woman is attractive doesn't mean you're going to show them favoritism.

Now you're arguing something I didn't say. I said it's "not rare" for that to happen. I didn't say it happens every time. But if you honestly think getting together with the guys and talking about the hotties in your office doesn't affect how those women are treated professionally then god bless.
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fenderbender321 posted...
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Vindris_SNH posted...

It does? How? How does a group of dudes talking about how hot a co-worker is affect her? Assuming none of these guys actually sexually assault her in any way, and assuming she never finds out they talked about how hot she is... how is she affected?

It's not exactly rare for men to show favoritism to hot women in the workplace. Also when you're contributing to a workplace environment where your co-workers are noticed more for how they look instead of the work they're doing it devalues those women. When my guy co-workers go to a project manager with questions I want the first thing they think about to be her ability and not her boobs or what she's wearing. It's just a very negative thing to do and I wouldn't want to contribute to it (also if you want the person to be productive and make a better business for all you'd avoid that kind of behavior in the first place).

But guys talking about women they find attractive in general I have no problem with.
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Vindris_SNH posted...

But that's kind of beside the point. The point was that it is very common for women to objectify men (but yeah they probably have less specimens that are hottt enough to objectify)

Which means their objectification doesn't really affect much of anything. But guys can barely make it through a conversation about any woman without talking about how hot or not she is. That regularly affects their world.

I don't agree with the woman about the whole rape culture thing, or that objectifying women should be a crime. However it's not wrong to say that men objectify to a ridiculous degree and women generally don't do the same.
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Antifar posted...

I can't speak for the women involved, but I also have eyes and can watch videos and see Biden doing weird things and what sure looks like discomfort on the faces of the girls he does weird things to. I don't need a formal accusation to think Biden is a creep.

There's also a world of difference between "being a creepy weirdo, a close-talker, and thinking everyone is fine with your hugs," and "sexually harassing someone."

Just because someone recoils disgusted doesn't mean anything sexual has taken place.
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I would tell the perverted ass to leave her alone. If he persists, I'm knocking this bastard out.
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Asherlee10 posted...

Steve Nick posted...

Sexual harassment allegations aren't based on what the guy does. They're based on how the woman chooses to respond to it.

Are you saying that the women who have come forward are all lying?

No, he's saying the women who have come forward wouldn't have done so if they thought the guy harassing them was attractive. That women have different standards of what counts as "harassment" and it's based less on where the guy's hands are or what he says, and more on whether the woman personally finds the guy creepy or not.

John Cena comes in for a picture and his hand wanders a little too low (let's say by accident), and the woman's response is "oh that was probably an accident" or "John Cena totally groped me!" But change John Cena to Al Franken and the woman is creeped out and starts accusing the man of sexual harassment.

That's wha tmany guys say.
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Caution999 posted...

That_Happened posted...

Caution999 posted...

Do yourself a favor and search "Trump" under this board. I'm doing the same crap everyone else here is doing

You accused Joe Biden of "groping multiple young girls in a creepy fashion."

This is not equal to "complaining about politics." This is you being a shit troll. Own it.

And people have made topics about Trump having a sexual relationship with his own daughter. What's that then?

Also shit trolling?

"Other people are pieces of shit just like me" is not a great defense.
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masterpug53 posted...

No, those don't count. The only way males get fair representation is

Males already represent the majority of hollywood roles.

masterpug53 posted...

'Brotherhood of the Traveling Pants.'

You mean Stand By Me? Goonies? Road Trip? American Pie? We're not exactly lacking "coming of age" stories about a group of young men.
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Caution999 posted...

Do yourself a favor and search "Trump" under this board. I'm doing the same crap everyone else here is doing

You accused Joe Biden of "groping multiple young girls in a creepy fashion."

This is not equal to "complaining about politics." This is you being a shit troll. Own it.
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I'm not sure where the idea came from that everyone has the exact same track record and should be treated the exact same way. Trump gets more harshly criticized because he's objectively a horrible human being. That's fair. You wouldn't see Joe Biden heavily criticized for this kind of thing but you also wouldn't see Republican John McCain criticized heavily for it because neither of them are horrible people (as far as we can tell).

If a regular CEman without a terrible moderation history posts a topic that starts an unnecessary argument, we give him the benefit of the doubt. But if Caution posts his 6th consecutive Wednesday topic that starts an unnecessary argument, and that's after his Sunday, Monday, and Tuesday were filled with the same kind of shit, then it's fair to point out the pattern and say that he's trash.
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Vindris_SNH posted...

"IT'S VERY RARE FOR MEN TO BE OBJECTIFIED"

LLLLMMmmmFFFaaaaOOOOOOOO

Yeah I wouldn't say it's rare for men to be objectified. I'd say the number of men being objectified is very small, whereas most women are regularly being objectified.

Hunky guy celebrities get objectified all the time, but your average CEman is never going to turn any woman's head. But almost every woman who is ever posted here, celebrity or civilian, ugly or pretty, has her looks and body commented on.
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nicklebro posted...

SJWs aren't a fabrication of the alt right, just like the alt right isn't a fabrication of the liberal media. They're just given a much bigger spotlight than they deserve and they're made up as if they represent everyone on the left instead of the insignificant minority that they are.
Idk why you always try to have your cake and eat it too when it comes to these issues, blaming the left for things the right does just as much. If you would just stick to making your legitimate points based on legitimate arguments then you wouldn't come off as such a partisan hack and people would have a reason to actually respect you. But as of now, you're doing far more harm than good to your cause because your credibility has just been demolished.

10/10
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Veggeta_MAX posted...

I'm tagging her just to save my own ass

Tagged as well. I don't have any problem with Say but obviously that person is a liar when it suits them.
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Sayoria posted...

No I didn't. I used MS paint. I seriously don't know how to use photoshop, so I did not lie.

This is like saying "I didn't eat any Oreos. I ate Hydrox cookies."

You knew what people meant when they used "photoshop" as a verb.
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Sayoria posted...

Okay, they are fake. *Shrug*

smh.
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Damn. At least everybody's honest in this poll.
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Reminds me of this guy:


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Hexenherz posted...

People also shouldn't be offended by the original lyrics to the anthem but it's w/e

People aren't offended by the lyrics to the anthem until idiot conservatives try to force people to honor the song. At that point people are right to point out the issues with the lyrics. Nobody's offended by "Play that Funky Music White Boy" but if snowflake liberals tried to make people salute the tune, republicans would start crying about racism, too.
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BulletWing posted...

Admiral disappoints me, honestly. I know he has a bad rap on here from some people, but I thought he was a critical thinker.

No. His critical thought only goes as far as the following question: "Is the person speaking a liberal?" If the answer is yes, that person has to be almost 100% accurate with every letter and punctuation mark of information in order for Admiral to agree with him. If the speaker is a conservative, he will give the benefit of the doubt to that person, as long as the tiniest bit of the article is true.
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The Admiral posted...

This is a reference to the British hiring mercenaries and paying slaves to fight the Americans. What's racist about that?

Essentially, says writer and academic Jason Johnson, Francis Scott Key was happy to see former slaves, who had joined the British as part of their Colonial Marines, getting slaughtered and killed as they attempted to take Baltimore.

The entire song sort of leads up to this point, Johnson adds, where hes essentially saying to these terrible, ungrateful, black people, this is the consequence of standing up against the United States.

So its clearly racist; its clearly pro-slavery, but its pretty much in line with the kind of man that Francis Scott Key was.

Key was a typical white Marylander of his time, and he favored slavery.

Many historians agree with Johnson, but some disagree. They point out that Key never told anyone what he actually meant, and some historians interpret his mention of hirelings and slaves to reference all of the invading British forces.

They say it echoes similar rhetoric used since the Revolutionary War to describe the forces of the king of England, especially those units purchased from German princes. American writers contrasted these miserable hirelings and slaves with the virtuous all-volunteer citizen armies of America.

However, Johnson counters that argument. He points out that Key himself faced the black Colonial Marines in battle. His unit was beaten and humiliated by them.

His troops were slaughtered so aggressively, Johnson says, that he had to run home and hide in Washington DC. ... So this was personal for him."

At best, historians disagree whether the anthem was racist or not. But there's a very good argument that it is.
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The Admiral posted...

This memo came out 4 days ago

That may be but this has been talked about for over a month now.

http://www.cnn.com/2017/11/07/politics/james-comey-hillary-clinton-grassley/index.html

"Although Director Comey's original version of his statement acknowledged that Secretary Clinton had violated the statute prohibiting gross negligence in the handling of classified information, he nonetheless exonerated her in that early, May 2nd draft statement anyway, arguing that this part of the statute should not be enforced," Grassley wrote.

A source familiar with the decision-making process at the FBI at the time tells CNN that "the Bureau and Jim were trying to see what a statement of declamation might look like -- and they were playing with the language throughout. The one thing that's a constant is that they thought what they had seen so far, subject to change, was that charges would not be appropriate but that the conduct was worthy of criticism. It was a matter of how to explain both."

"They wanted to get a sense of what this statement might look like," the source said. "They hadn't stopped investigating and they were continuing to seek access to all sorts of things from Hillary that she was fighting to have to turn over. But they also wanted internally to discuss what an end game might look like."

Throughout this end game, the source said, Comey thought that while the while there was evidence of violations, no reasonable prosecutor would proceed. Which is what he stated on July 5, 016: "Although there is evidence of potential violations of the statutes regarding the handling of classified information, our judgment is that no reasonable prosecutor would bring such a case."

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August 31, 2011

Go away.
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The Admiral posted...

Doubt you libs would be so excited about this if the cheerleaders had been banished for doing pro-life or anti-gay marriage demonstrations before the games.

Is there an example of when this took place in sports and liberals did everything they could to silence the protest, including firing the higher-ups? Keep in mind this has to be a non-violent protest that takes place during or before a game, and isn't directed specifically at any person or persons.
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I think your perspective of who "lost" depends entirely on where you get your news.

But Trump (and conservatives) have never looked dumber and more irrational. Their entire arguments are centered around one thing: "We can make liberals mad." They look like complete idiots that cannot carry a legitimate debate if their lives depended on it.

Sure, liberals look like crybabies a lot of the time but they're still mostly capable of rational thought (when they're not screaming at the sky over Trump, lol).

Ultimately liberals will stop "losing" when they realize the two sides are playing by different rules. The liberals are mostly abiding by their attacks of conscience--a liberal commits and atrocity and the whole party comes down on them and forces them to resign. Conservatives on the other hand don't give a shit what their people do...they have zero moral issues with voting for pedophiles, rapists, sexual harassers, liars, and so on, as long as they uphold "republican values."
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If a person doesn't want kids because they think they'd make a bad parent, then I agree.

If a person doesn't want kids because they want to play videogames or travel or focus on their own wants, then that by definition is selfish.

It's not a selfishness that is inherently wrong though.
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Voldo from Soul Calibur.

Daughter I am disappoint.
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There's a special place in hell for pundits like Rush Limbaugh. He's one of the biggest piles of shit ever, and deserves everything bad that ever happens to him.
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Asherlee10 posted...

I always found this to be a weird response from people who supposedly have someone on ignore. If you have someone on ignore, why would you want to know who posted? Aren't you trying to ignore the person?

People say "who posted?" when they want to make it known that they're ignoring someone. It's pretty childish.
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Tavis is fighting back though.

Smiley said on Facebook he had never groped, coerced, or exposed myself inappropriately to any workplace colleague in my entire broadcast career, covering 6 networks over 30 years, adding for emphasis: Never. Ever. Never.

The host, who said he was "shocked" by the suspension, also suggested that the recent wave of awareness about workplace sexual harassment was leading to inaccurate accusations.

If having a consensual relationship with a colleague years ago is the stuff that leads to this kind of public humiliation and personal destruction, heaven help us, Smiley wrote in a statement accompanying his video on Facebook.

This has gone too far, Smiley said. And I, for one, intend to fight back.

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Veggeta X posted...

business cooperation.

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TMZ says the boy's estranged father is a jailed white supremacist.

That doesn't prove anything but there's a good chance this kid was raised in a really racist household.
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I disagree that it's an invitation for harassment, but if you're gonna have a ton of cleavage showing or wear short skirts, you're going to increase the odds that people are going to hit on you or leer at you.
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Bloodychess posted...

For some reason, the more outrageous one left the accused with nothing more than a slap on the wrist.

"For some reason." Let's take a look at the other guy's priors:

According to Brevard County records, Wolfe has had multiple run-ins with the law dating back to 1998, including convictions in burglary of an unoccupied dwelling and grand theft in 2004 for which he was sentenced to two years, seven months and two days in prison and burglary of a conveyance in 2011, for which he was sentenced to 64 days in the county jail. Wolfe was also fined and sentenced to probation after a 2001 burglary and grand theft arrest when he was just 20 years old, records show.

In addition, Wolfe was found guilty in three DUI offenses, possession of hydrocodone and cannabis, and an array of traffic violations. He spent over a year and a half in total in the Brevard County Jail over the course of his sentencings.

The guy wasn't put away for 15 years for "bacon." It was for felony B&E + a hate crime + a ridiculous history of b&e, theft, drugs, and duis.
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LittleRoyal posted...

Because idk if hes serious or not.

Put it this way. At best he's a troll. At worst he's legitimately a terrible person. Both options should receive the same treatment.
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That_Happened posted...

Bio1590 posted...

Why does anyone take fenderbender seriously

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nicklebro posted...

For example, men don't care about women's ambitions nearly as much as women care about men's.

Weird, because men seem to be unnaturally scared of gold diggers. If you want to avoid them, you'd better start caring about a woman's ambitions.
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fenderbender321 posted...

BTW, the reciprocal is that men feel violated and harassed and upset and uncomfortable when they are rejected. So there are really two victims in these situations.

Bio1590 posted...

Why does anyone take fenderbender seriously

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darkphoenix181 posted...

what is sexual about a back rub?

Would you give a guy a back rub?

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Would you hold hands with a man? (I hold hands with girls but I also given girls back rubs. Maybe Im weird)

Intamicy and sexuality are different

No, I wouldn't hold hands with a man.

Back rubs are usually code for "let's see if this leads to intimacy."
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darkphoenix181 posted...

what is sexual about a back rub?

Would you give a guy a back rub?

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Zikten posted...

you are forgetting the problem of social anxiety

Which 99% of people have today.
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