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hombad46 posted...

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Hbthebattle posted...

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Hbthebattle posted...

Alright, Terra, if you were scum, would you go for Chris or for Scare given day 1 information?

I mean I already implied as much, but Chris. Jack with Scare's supposed moveset isn't worth worrying too much about unless he's hiding some other abilities (which seems doubtful), and Scare would be an easy push for a mislynch if I was scum who knew he was town. Jack is a rather safe claim. Plus there's a chance that Chris was also a pr of some kind (which he was), and I feel like he hinted as much at one point, but I'd have to go back and check to see if memory serves me.

He claimed power, yeah.

Even if he hadn't, Jedi turned out to be a vanilla, which would've decreased the odds of Chris being vanilla

lol no that's not how this works. In a non role madness game the power split is entirely dependent upon the host. Generally most town players are vanilla in regular split games.

Assuming X amount of vanillas among the town, before any are revealed the odds of any one person in the town being vanilla are X/town. Revealing a town would make that X-1 / town-1, which will be less than it was before.

That looks right to me, but it has been a while since I took a probability course

If you mean straight mathematically, of course. But Power Roles are far more infrequent, so you're saying that the scum team would risk a massive gamble for the sole purpose of targeting PR, which I'm saying is the wrong way to think about it. Out of 13-14 town players, it's generally not the best option to rely on probability alone when making a night shot when there's so many other actual logic based pathways available.
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Pirate_Harris posted...

Then if that's the case, what powers would scum have then?

Let's not go down that rabbit hole. It's a waste of time since it's just mindless speculation. And again, don't count out roleblocker after one freaking night in the game lol.
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hombad46 posted...

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Alright, Terra, if you were scum, would you go for Chris or for Scare given day 1 information?

I mean I already implied as much, but Chris. Jack with Scare's supposed moveset isn't worth worrying too much about unless he's hiding some other abilities (which seems doubtful), and Scare would be an easy push for a mislynch if I was scum who knew he was town. Jack is a rather safe claim. Plus there's a chance that Chris was also a pr of some kind (which he was), and I feel like he hinted as much at one point, but I'd have to go back and check to see if memory serves me.

He claimed power, yeah.

Even if he hadn't, Jedi turned out to be a vanilla, which would've decreased the odds of Chris being vanilla

lol no that's not how this works. In a non role madness game the power split is entirely dependent upon the host. Generally most town players are vanilla in regular split games.
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Hbthebattle posted...

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ScareChan posted...

What?

Dude you send an action each night regardless man. You dont just say "Well I am going to die or get blocked so I shouldnt submit an action"

Pirate you have played enough to know how things work now dude, AND you know the Chris/Red dynamic. How you are so hung up that Red killed POWER CLAIMED CHRIS is really just starting to look like you are protecting Death here

I'm not protecting death scare. I'm trying to figure out why you were not roleblocked...

Wouldn't the obvious answer be that scum has no roleblocker?

I wouldn't say it's obvious. Targeting a claimed jack with a roleblock would definitely be a good move, but hard to count its existence out entirely this early into the game. If Geno was town he'd also be a good target to make him look worse considering how botched his claim seems as is.
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Hbthebattle posted...

Alright, Terra, if you were scum, would you go for Chris or for Scare given day 1 information?

I mean I already implied as much, but Chris. Jack with Scare's supposed moveset isn't worth worrying too much about unless he's hiding some other abilities (which seems doubtful), and Scare would be an easy push for a mislynch if I was scum who knew he was town. Jack is a rather safe claim. Plus there's a chance that Chris was also a pr of some kind (which he was), and I feel like he hinted as much at one point, but I'd have to go back and check to see if memory serves me.
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Why would scum waste a kill on chris

How is targeting Mr "top 5 in the world at town" a waste?

Because a jack with a doc save trumps player ability imo

Already explained this above, but a mere one shot doc save isn't going to do as much damage in the long run as much as a very active player would have done. Especially when said one shotter already looks bad by town standards.
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Pirate_Harris posted...

Did you track chris or death scare?

Not sure if you're not familiar with the roles, but the only way he would know Death is at fault here is if he tracked Death. Tracking Chris would lead him to red or whoever Chris tried to target. You might be thinking of Watcher.
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Pirate_Harris posted...

And another thing if you just doc claimed day 1 (of all days), how are you not dead?

TBF he only jack claimed. Which likely means his role is one shot, and if he actually is town, scum would know better than to waste a shot on someone who survived by the tip of his pinky. Scare definitely hasn't done himself many favors to make him all that great, so there'd be no point, especially when a real doc is bound to be out there.
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hombad46 posted...

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I assume scum has some type of unblockable kill like in most games

That's a regular thing on this board?

Strongman is a very common scum role, yes
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ScareChan posted...

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I think Pirate is explaining that for me

also no need to at me when Im here

I'm not in your room so I don't know when the heck you're "here."

And I want it in your own words. The only actual argument Pirate posted was you feeling weird about Death's vote. The other quotations are relevant, but don't answer the question I posed.

Death kept asking me about my abilities, I thought it was scummy. I iso'd him until I had to leave last night. He was the one I was most concerned about and felt was scum

So you thought he was rolefishing? What details did you find from your ISO?
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ScareChan posted...

I think Pirate is explaining that for me

also no need to at me when Im here

I'm not in your room so I don't know when the heck you're "here."

And I want it in your own words. The only actual argument Pirate posted was you feeling weird about Death's vote. The other quotations are relevant, but don't answer the question I posed.
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What made you choose Death? @ScareChan
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Hbthebattle posted...

Is ISO'ing the same as doing the "special" thing from yesterday?

Nah it's just singling out a single user's posts to get an idea of their behaviors. Especially given the current hindsight logic such as voting patterns and how their actions correlate with those who flipped.

https://wiki.mafiascum.net/index.php?title=ISO
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Definitely need to hear more from @geno4smash4 and whatever is going on with that weird claim of his. But for now

##Vote: Scare

Still don't feel good about him, and his behavior after the Jedi counter lynch started happening was very off putting to say the least.
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Pirate_Harris posted...

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Also we arent lynching death hes not here.

Maybe tomorrow, but not today.

So this suggests that death is a possible scumbuddy with red...

He was a prime player I was alluding to with the "b8 player" comment. He was one of my more town leaning players day 1, but the Chris flip puts things more into perspective. ISO'ing Red and Death seems like a thread that could lead to a lot of info.

I don't have the time for it tonight, but I can try to go for it tomorrow.
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hombad46 posted...

Oh, sorry. Either way, you should probably check the results and take out parts of pre written texts that are no longer correct.

I took out some bits, but there were bound to be some remnants from before hand. But I understand your confusion.
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Hbthebattle posted...

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Chris's flip is a bummer. He weirded me out at the end of the day which made me distance myself from him, but wish I could have done more to help him.
Though Chris and red both being chosen probably means the scum team consists of a couple b8 players. Red of all people is a weird one since he didn't even participate much which reinforces that point because his death comes across as scum being weary of his later game performance if they knew he was town.

Chris flipping town makes me feel slightly better about sheepy-ben. Can't see scum sheeping that hard then choosing that as the first night kill.

Red was a newcomer, not a veteran. I think Chris probably used his power on him last night and Newcomer is the scum flavor name after all.

I read the newcomer flavor, but I guess that didn't occur to me. Definitely one of the weirder flavors, but a scum Red makes a lot more sense to me than him being town.
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hombad46 posted...

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Though a scum Chris flip makes me think Ben would have to be town.

Sorry, had to stop reading here 'cause Chris ain't scum

If you did manage to read even the first few words I posted:
Heres a brief pre written text

I was making notes and a write up as I was catching up since I was so behind.
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Hbthebattle posted...

I certainly can't speak for Geno, but I was also confused by Veteran for a moment too, as I'm more used to that name being the ToS equivalent of what mafiascumwiki calls the Paranoid Gun Owner. Is that its name here too?

Not at all. That's exclusively a ToS name. Mafiascum and most other boards it's more akin to the Paranoid gun owner role.
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Chris's flip is a bummer. He weirded me out at the end of the day which made me distance myself from him, but wish I could have done more to help him.
Though Chris and red both being chosen probably means the scum team consists of a couple b8 players. Red of all people is a weird one since he didn't even participate much which reinforces that point because his death comes across as scum being weary of his later game performance if they knew he was town.

Chris flipping town makes me feel slightly better about sheepy-ben. Can't see scum sheeping that hard then choosing that as the first night kill.
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Doop, Hb, Sultan, and Jedi (RIP) were my stronger town reads. Geno was a town read as well, but Im just confused by the following:

@geno4smash4 posted...

Town is not veterans.

geno4smash4 posted...

So yeah I think there has been a misunderstanding, I'm Ridley, my PM said Newcomer Veteran, I asked eaed what this meant and he told me it's honorary because of Ridley's boss status in previous games, idk how that makes any sense but whatever, might as well also claim, I'm town drunk, I won't remember my role until night 2.

???

Lolo, Shad, Pend, and Shonen are primed for isoing because I dont recall much of note from them. Red feels very uncharacteristic of himself this game. Feels like hes either off to a slow start or coasting hard right now.
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Heres a brief pre written text of things that stood out to me as I finished catching up (mostly)
Wall of text incoming and Im assuming a lot of people will gloss over, but I think I pointed out several things that were just overlooked or very worth mentioning/reiterating upon.

Jedimess was a really silly lynch and its pretty frustrating that Chris of all people who claims to be so good at reading fell for the obvious scum out. Jedi made several obvious new player missteps and wasnt even here to defend himself so you chose him over Scare and red to lynch. After rereading through everything, I have no idea how Jedi comes across as more scummy than those two to begin with, but the fact that hes a new player with zero links to other players, and not even here to claim or defend himself makes that such a ridiculous choice to end on. The only times I have EVER seen a vote on someone who wasnt present to defend themselves actually work out have been times where the person of interest is known to be active normally, but comes across as lurking or intentionally coasting. More often than not its a risky bet.

Ben piggybacking off of Chris is definitely weird. I know Chris is more experienced, but never pegged Ben for the type to sheep so damn hard with giving so little input of his own. Though a scum Chris flip makes me think Ben would have to be town.

No one at all questioned Scares bandwagon vote. Dont know why.

Pirate_Harris posted...

hombad46 posted...

##vote: Jedimess

Now this I'm on board with

I wanna jump on this band wagon but I want Jedi to come back and clarify some stuff

Pirate_Harris posted...

Due to lack of Jedi and I hate when people become inactive asf.

##vote: Jedi

I wanna say that Jedi has been under my radar for a while and it's worrying when players do that. If you are town Jedi my deepest apologies

These posts were made within half an hour between each other. I get that it was close to EoD, but this just looks bad. If you voted him the first time it could have flown under the radar, but the fact that you attempted to veil your bandwagon as "giving him time" when you barely waited any is suspicious as hell.
If anything, a hombad vote would have come across as a lot more organic. Youre the only one who actually called him out for his blatant bandwagon vote, but didnt press him any further so he got away unscathed.

Then shortly after you hopped right on then right off Death along with Scare as if you had no autonomy to yourself. Stay committed whatever youre going to do my guy. Scare could be scum throwing around his vote wherever and you sheeped there almost as hard as ben has been with Chris.

Im not necessarily getting scum vibes from you, but Im not a fan of your plays here.
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Chris jumping off Scare so late in the game is surprising. But if anything, not just the flavor, but some things about the claim itself still rub me the wrong way. Haven't seen much of red from what I red (har har) but the anecdotes others have said about him seem far more tame than Scare's current position. I'm fine with that lynch.

##Vote: Scare
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@benjamin3740 when I mentioned the vote on scare you said it was initially a joke or something iirc. What is your reason for pushing him currently? Obviously the role of masons doesn't protect either of you, but I'm curious as to why such an early push from someone you're paired with.
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Just from what I've read in the end of last topic and skimmed through this one, I'm getting town vibes from Chris. He's in his major know it all mode and intentionally withholding info for so long which is akin to what I associate with town Chris. The implications hes been making and the fact that hes so confident in his survival just tells me that his role is further reason for him to be more smug than he usually is.

HanOfTheNekos posted...

4. I think highly of a lot of these newbies who are challenging Chris.

+1 to this, but I'm more split than at the point of saying "most" (though I haven't read everything just yet). Sultan in particular comes across as genuine in his built up frustrations with Chris which is a pretty strong town indication coming from a new player. It's easy to get flustered and caught up in the emotions for new players who can't keep their cool, and post #155 was all of that.

HB has been putting in work from what I've read so far as well. Never heard of Jedimess, Shonen, or Forceful, but they haven't stood out in anything I've read up until now.

Also Chris you're overexaggerating a shitton right now. Isn't this HB's first game? Give the new guy a break man. At least he masked his actual role.

Doopliss_Power posted...

The only thing that worries me about Chris' logic is that I don't see why scum wouldn't be given the same renaming.

Yeah, I wrote most of my post above without catching up fully, but if that entirely encompasses the "slip" Chris saw, I'm much less inclined to vote Scare as I was about to. Making a fake claim that's indistinguishable from town claims is mafia 101. And I'm sure a long time vet such as Scare wouldn't make such a blatant blunder.
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Jesus this many pages in just an hour? Here's my post from the last thread

Terra-enforcer posted...

benjamin3740 posted...

Pirate_Harris posted...

benjamin3740 posted...

Now I hope that Shaduln or Terra is scum so that my assumptions confirm me town :^D

Errr what assumptions? Could someone give me any questions that was asked towards shad

I just assumed that Terra was the one replacing since he said he'd read up then didn't follow up. And then it had felt like everyone else was posting

I didn't read up entirely. Hell, I didn't haven't read since I tried catching up this morning. It's really my bad for that and I'll replace out if I can't manage to keep up, but I plan on at least trying to pull my weight.

Also I'm definitely not scum, not that me saying that will change your mind from whatever reason you suspect me.

I'll at least catch up with this topic but I won't be able to cover the first two before EoD.
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benjamin3740 posted...

Pirate_Harris posted...

benjamin3740 posted...

Now I hope that Shaduln or Terra is scum so that my assumptions confirm me town :^D

Errr what assumptions? Could someone give me any questions that was asked towards shad

I just assumed that Terra was the one replacing since he said he'd read up then didn't follow up. And then it had felt like everyone else was posting

I didn't read up entirely. Hell, I didn't haven't read since I tried catching up this morning. It's really my bad for that and I'll replace out if I can't manage to keep up, but I plan on at least trying to pull my weight.

Also I'm definitely not scum, not that me saying that will change your mind from whatever reason you suspect me.
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Went straight comatose today after class so still behind. That's graduate shit for you. I should be able to cover everything during night phase but I'm still hella behind atm.

Can someone explain to me this counter train on scare? Ben obviously sticks out the most since last I read he and scare were the two to claim masons. Clearly this alone does not make them both safe, but I'm intrigued by such a flip, especially since it seems Ben was the second one on this boat.
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I don't go on gamefaqs as much anymore so I completely forgot this game was a thing.

Someone want to give me a quick run down of key points as I catch up?
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sign me back up i guess. when does this start?
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DoubleTangicide posted...

Two words:

I am retired

you never retire from mafia. you think you're retired, then you get pulled right back in a couple months later.
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EndOfDiscOne posted...

Pitlord_Special posted...

Humility is one of Christianitys most important virtues so this basically touches on that in that you shouldnt feel you deserve a supreme beings love and salvation like its owed to you, but that it is still given to everyone regardless of who you are or what you have done because of Gods mercy

This is how I read it

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Don't forget a Flash Sale seems imminent. Many are suspecting as soon as next Friday. I think they did the same last year too iirc.
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Sign me up coach
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mario2000 posted...

"lmao ur an npc"

"uh sure ok"

"LAAAAAWL LOOK HOW MAD U ARE!!!!"

you sound tilted mate
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OpShaft posted...

Terra-enforcer posted...

Not sure I've ever seen a hotter take all month.

LooksLikeDarko posted...

CFA>Popeye's>KFC

Now this is right. Just pop in Bojangles and Church's above KFC as well. KFC is bottom tier when it comes to fast food fried chicken.

Never has bojangles, but this.

I do have a weakness for the KFC famous bowls, though.

The Bowls and the Pot Pies are legit really good that's for sure. It's just most of their other offerings are pretty average to subpar, even by fast food standards.
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I'll admit I've been gone from CE for a hot minute but idk who you even are...
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Not sure I've ever seen a hotter take all month.

LooksLikeDarko posted...

CFA>Popeye's>KFC

Now this is right. Just pop in Bojangles and Church's above KFC as well. KFC is bottom tier when it comes to fast food fried chicken.
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I'm up for a replacement
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Looks amazing. Fuck the haters. Best web swinging and city layout + DMC lite combat? Sign me the hell up. The leaked boss battle stuff is amazing too.
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Now that's gonna be a yikes from me.
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I come back to this site and this is what I'm greeted to?
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Does she know a Wii U?
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Full Throttle posted...

She was fired by the NY Dept of Education as her defense asked not to revoke her license who said she had "talented skills"

She has talented skills alright
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Weed can do some crazy shit to you.
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Easy. Cyborg watches while Aquaman, Wonder Woman, and The Flash go HAM.
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and nothing of value was lost
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