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saspa posted...

I asked this question 10+ years ago with that 2006 sonic game that we all try to forget, and I ask it now, even if sonic has supposedly gotten good again? (Apparently sonic generations was not bad so...)

But it's just amazing that the franchise still apparently has these loyal followers nearly 30 years after the fact. It's like... how?

Sonic has had plenty of good games even recently. Mania was fantastic. Forces was a disappointment, but not necessarily bad. It was fine, but people just expected more coming off of Generations.

A lot of people also seem to forget that Sonic has been on a bit of a pause when it comes to mainline releases. Generations was the big budget mainline game before Forces, and that was almost 8 years ago. Lost World was made by the B team and didn't even play like most Sonic games, and Boom was a weird experimental spin off. So people who say stuff like "there hasn't been a good game since Generations" don't actually look and realize we haven't had much sense then.
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benjamin3740 posted...

Also NO SCUM ROLEBLOCKER, WHAT. Apparently

Maybe death was originally planned to be scum but the host changed his mind
Who knows.

That's not how balancing a game works...
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Pirate_Harris posted...

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Doop is one weird ass choice for a night scan, but at least I'm guessing you did some form of deduction to choose him over veryone else.

Pirate_Harris posted...

Goodbye

You didn't die last night, so either scum sees higher priority in veteran players, or protection got your back even with Han lynched.

Trust me, they are keeping me alive to torment me

Then that's even better since that's a free scanner on our side. But I doubt that is the case. I'm assuming the scum team either had two nks and used one on you that was blocked by protection, or they ignored you entirely because you would obviously be the target of protection and it would be better to just take out a vet+pr combo instead.

benjamin3740 posted...

If scare is scum he banked everything on getting this one mislynch. So I;m sure he was on the scum board begging scum to help him make sure Han died first. I dont think any of the people who voted Scare at lynch-shifting moments were scum. People who went on early or when Han was already in the lead though, they can be.

I need to look at that again in detail to see who it was, but looking at the vote list probably Terra/Bat are the only POSSIBLE scum on Scare lynch

Boi I know you're not the best at reading me, but I lead that damn Scare train. I was on it day one where the easy scum tactic would be to join the growing Jedi lynch as an easy out, and yesterday he was my first vote and I stuck with it all throughout the day. When you're as close as Scare and Han were towards EoD, I'd be better off unvoting and playing it safe if I were scum but I stood my ground for the several paragraphs of info I had been preaching this entire time that seemingly fell on deaf ears.
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Doop is one weird ass choice for a night scan, but at least I'm guessing you did some form of deduction to choose him over veryone else.

Pirate_Harris posted...

Goodbye

You didn't die last night, so either scum sees higher priority in veteran players, or protection got your back even with Han lynched.
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And of course it's death this time. This game is working out wonderfully >_>
Interested to see what @Pirate_Harris has to say about last night.

Don't even care to hear Scare's "explanation." He should have been ten feet under on day one, so he's definitely living on borrowed time. We just shouldn't rush to vote him though since we still have the full 48 hours left.
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Damn what is it with November? Jesus back to back deaths feels like.

Best wishes to his family.
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ScareChan posted...

Terra-enforcer posted...

ScareChan posted...

Doopliss_Power posted...

hombad46 posted...

I'm taking issue with your issue with the other flavor arguments. Pirate, while I'm not quite done with him, is not our greatest priority. Han/Scare is.

The previous quote chain was getting pretty long so here.

As for your points
1. Its the scums job to play dumb. The difference between Hans vanilla claim and Pirates is that Pirates was made after it was confirmed that neither side has a move attached to vanillas, so him adding one to his is odd. Not necessarily scummy, just odd.
2. If scum all have the same role format, why would vets be any different?
3. Didnt Chris say his role format prior to his death? That, in combination with scum formats likely matching Town formats as, again, why _wouldnt_ they, would be enough to believe a move shouldve been there

The thing is, scum plays more carefully than Town, because they know they can get caught. Town Han can make those assumptions without fear, he's Town, if there's a discrepancy it can be explained. Scum Han has to triple-check everything, because he knows one wrong move would lead to his downfall.

Why does this not apply to me? I would be more prepared with a claim as scum, why do I not get the triple check mindset?

How is your situation remotely as layered? Everything you've done has been straight forward, and you've done so little outside of defending yourself or going at Han's throat that there's not nearly as much material to go off of as there is for Han.

I town cleared death ?

That did not happen, no.
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Pirate_Harris posted...

I can't find the chris topic...

What topic?
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ScareChan posted...

Doopliss_Power posted...

hombad46 posted...

I'm taking issue with your issue with the other flavor arguments. Pirate, while I'm not quite done with him, is not our greatest priority. Han/Scare is.

The previous quote chain was getting pretty long so here.

As for your points
1. Its the scums job to play dumb. The difference between Hans vanilla claim and Pirates is that Pirates was made after it was confirmed that neither side has a move attached to vanillas, so him adding one to his is odd. Not necessarily scummy, just odd.
2. If scum all have the same role format, why would vets be any different?
3. Didnt Chris say his role format prior to his death? That, in combination with scum formats likely matching Town formats as, again, why _wouldnt_ they, would be enough to believe a move shouldve been there

The thing is, scum plays more carefully than Town, because they know they can get caught. Town Han can make those assumptions without fear, he's Town, if there's a discrepancy it can be explained. Scum Han has to triple-check everything, because he knows one wrong move would lead to his downfall.

Why does this not apply to me? I would be more prepared with a claim as scum, why do I not get the triple check mindset?

How is your situation remotely as layered? Everything you've done has been straight forward, and you've done so little outside of defending yourself or going at Han's throat that there's not nearly as much material to go off of as there is for Han.
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Pirate_Harris posted...

But I don't know who the real protection is terra... I really don't know... i am stuck between a rock and a hard place and I don't know what to do so I'm spilling my guts out

You just have to logic your way through this one and don't entirely rely on scans. At the end of the day, most of us don't know for certain, so just go for the vote that appears to be most logical to you without being so impulsive.
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benjamin3740 posted...

HanOfTheNekos posted...

ScareChan posted...

Pirate I'm the one that can actually protect you

If Scare is Town, this would only work for N2. After N2, he can't protect you anymore.

I can protect you indefinitely, and if I ever die, then I just confirm myself as Town.

Apparently not, since you pick and choose to not protect at all some nights! :P

I know you say this in jest, but there's an obvious difference between going in blindly and choosing a claimed scanner.
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Pirate_Harris posted...

I'm dead already doop... scum probably will kill me now... I'm dead I'm dead I'm dead

Really really bad play you made, but don't ignore the chance of protection.

HanOfTheNekos posted...

Well then Pirate, I hope you're happy lynching the guy who would (probably?) guard you.

Pirate won't get a scan off tonight. He'll be roleblocked into oblivion.

For the record, Pirate was upset at the start of day because he didn't realize Red was Scum. I don't think he fakes that as Scum, so I'm pretty sure he's telling the truth about that Chris scan.

I get you're trying to save your own ass, but Harris seems impulsive as is. Obviously whichever of you is town between you or Scare would protect him if he chooses right. Seems as if you're almost taking advantage of his invulnerability.
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Pirate_Harris posted...

Fine since you will be lynched soon...

I actually investigated Chris...

He was innocent for me

Wait what in the ever living hell Harris?? Why did it need to come to this? This is one of the worst gambits I've seen and the only thing you got out of it was outting yourself. Fan freaking tastic.

I'm sorry but what the hell were you thinking here? Did you think this one through?
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HanOfTheNekos posted...

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Wait Han, in what world does a scum Terra bus Scare from day 1 and stand at the forefront of the lynch through day 2 without hopping off when there are plenty of opportunities to do so? I get that you haven't played with me, but that's almost beyond bussing. I've been thorough with my thoughts and arguments, I've pressed people I doubted, and I made logical arguments why I side with you to Han. Not sure what in particular you think I did that comes across as scummy. Every time I see you mention me as scum you basically just say "dunno guess he fits here" which isn't a great case.

I don't remember you bussing Scare from Day 1, tbqh. I stopped rereading at topic 2, and you haven't posted enough for me to really recall what you've done this game. That's kinda why you're in the ???? tier with me saying "eh I haven't really noticed much".

I've been busy irl so my post count isn't high as it generally is, but I think my content is still sufficient unless you're just glossing over it.

You said the ??? a few times, but even more I've seen you attribute me with being on the side of scum, which is what I was getting at. And literally all you need to do to see where I voted is look at EoD or beginning of day votals lol. I stood my ground on the Scare lynch post Chris jump, and I kept with those thoughts to today. But I guess we have more important matters to attend to, I just wanted that to be stated.

Seems pretty clear that Pirate was lying about the cop/vanilla but has some other pr of some kind. Probably best not to push him too much considering he seems like the kind of new player to give away too much if you keep poking him.
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Pirate_Harris posted...

ScareChan posted...

Pirate_Harris posted...

ScareChan posted...

Well pirate you fooled me all day . Good job

But look at this bullshit to try and save han. Wow

Bullshit or no bullshit, what I saw is the truth scare...

SOMEBODY'S GONNA BLEED, SOMEBODY'S GONNA LEAVE

You were literally just saying how you expected more from my scan and then claim a scan

Be more believable in your gambit next time

Damn it scare..........

Alright I lied...

I'm actually mario, VETERAN cape (Vanilla)

I'm a vanilla and I thought if I had a cop scan on scare maybe he would flip out and confirm he is scum for me but scare has reacted like town scare

###unvote: scare
##vote: han

wait i feel like i missed a lot. let me finish catching up because something isn't adding up.
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And you'd also be indirectly asserting that I've been bussing more than half my team in addition to Scare since early day 2 based on your very own reads.
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Wait Han, in what world does a scum Terra bus Scare from day 1 and stand at the forefront of the lynch through day 2 without hopping off when there are plenty of opportunities to do so? I get that you haven't played with me, but that's almost beyond bussing. I've been thorough with my thoughts and arguments, I've pressed people I doubted, and I made logical arguments why I side with you to Han. Not sure what in particular you think I did that comes across as scummy. Every time I see you mention me as scum you basically just say "dunno guess he fits here" which isn't a great case.
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benjamin3740 posted...

Terra-enforcer posted...

HanOfTheNekos posted...

Terra-enforcer posted...

benjamin3740 posted...

Han and Scare are both power claims. Leaving them alive right now will only leave us with more info after night action events. So I wouldn't mind an alternative lynch.

Except not. One is a supposed one shot doc/commuter, and the other is BG. Those are roles that literally cannot be proven unless 1) they're targeted in some way, or 2) they block a kill. And both are a toss up at best, especially when we also have to hope that the actual doc doesn't target the same person as one of them or the actual nk pick which would essentially give them a freebie. They could very easily (and in fact are likely to) report on nothing if they stay alive, which doesn't get us anywhere.

Nah, BG's die often.

From my experience, it's still very much a toss up. Definitely not worth waiting on this lynch debate for another day or two considering there's no blatantly clear target for a nk like there was last night.

Does BG take priority over Doctor here? Most circles I've seen that be the case, but I don't know if that has ever come up here before.

Why are you asking that if you think one of them is scum?

How are those two related? If Scare is scum, then we still have a BG and (very likely) a doc.
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Doopliss_Power posted...

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I dunno, that's too much for me to swallow. I've only seen that pulled once and actually work out because the circumstances were ripe for it.

Was it IGCD's double cop claim

I bet it was IGCD's double cop claim

Anyway, alternative lynches are bad and we're not doing them. One of Han and Scare is scum, and we're finding out which right when day ends.

Also it's Scare so vote him.

lmao yup. That was simultaneously among the riskiest and smartest plays I've ever seen lol. He really struck gold with that one. But I would hope no one would ever take it that far again.

And yep 100% agreed (as I said before). This needs to be resolved tonight.
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HanOfTheNekos posted...

Terra-enforcer posted...

benjamin3740 posted...

Han and Scare are both power claims. Leaving them alive right now will only leave us with more info after night action events. So I wouldn't mind an alternative lynch.

Except not. One is a supposed one shot doc/commuter, and the other is BG. Those are roles that literally cannot be proven unless 1) they're targeted in some way, or 2) they block a kill. And both are a toss up at best, especially when we also have to hope that the actual doc doesn't target the same person as one of them or the actual nk pick which would essentially give them a freebie. They could very easily (and in fact are likely to) report on nothing if they stay alive, which doesn't get us anywhere.

Nah, BG's die often.

From my experience, it's still very much a toss up. Definitely not worth waiting on this lynch debate for another day or two considering there's no blatantly clear target for a nk like there was last night.

Does BG take priority over Doctor here? Most circles I've seen that be the case, but I don't know if that has ever come up here before.
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hombad46 posted...

Theres also the possibility that theyre both scum and this is the biggest bus ever, but with how Han went and made it kinda personal by accusing Scare of suiciding so he wont need to play two games at once, I doubt it

Chances of this being a bus are near negligible. Best case scenario for them we lynch one and the other is left alive but not at all scot free. It would be tantamount to suicide if they legitimately pulled that. We're definitely beyond that even being something we should remotely consider.
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benjamin3740 posted...

Han and Scare are both power claims. Leaving them alive right now will only leave us with more info after night action events. So I wouldn't mind an alternative lynch.

Except not. One is a supposed one shot doc/commuter, and the other is BG. Those are roles that literally cannot be proven unless 1) they're targeted in some way, or 2) they block a kill. And both are a toss up at best, especially when we also have to hope that the actual doc doesn't target the same person as one of them or the actual nk pick which would essentially give them a freebie. They could very easily (and in fact are likely to) report on nothing if they stay alive, which doesn't get us anywhere.
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benjamin3740 posted...

It's not possible Han plays this way as scum. It's not possible Scare plays this way as scum.

So let''s kill Lolo or Pendragon.

Do you think this is town v town as well then? Gonna need more clarity on your theory of who did what for us to end up like this.

This isn't a situation we should just overlook. We really need to come to some form of closure while it's still early.
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HanOfTheNekos posted...

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Wait what? In what world could this be town town?? Scare might be one to lie, but he'd be an idiot to push it this far into the day. I don't think it could possibly be a facade on either side at this point; one of you is scum.

The idea that you seemingly almost want to just go halfway has me taken aback somewhat.

The idea of him being Town relies on the bolded part, yes.

geno4smash4 posted...

HanOfTheNekos posted...

I have a feeling Geno is going to remember his role as "Survivor".

I doubt, I remembered that switching alliances is pretty bastard so since I was told I'm town I will still be town after N2 ends.

That makes sense.

What if your role is Miller and you just haven't been told yet because eaed doesn't like our D1-Miller-Claim meta?

I dunno, that's too much for me to swallow. I've only seen that pulled once and actually work out because the circumstances were ripe for it. Scare doesn't come across as the type to pull such a move.

Do you actually believe this is the case though? If you could put a percent X/X (ie 50/50) on Scare being scum versus Scare being town, what would your ratio look like?
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HanOfTheNekos posted...

Thing is, even though I can see Scare making this dumb play as Town... he hasn't surrounded it with Townlike posts.

When I was writing up my "What Chris Would Say" post earlier, I remember one of his key lessons was "ask yourself - does it make any sense for Scum to do the thing?" Town players are weird, act weird, play weird, and are surrounded by weirdness. Scum are, by default, more calculated. Scum don't usually make big errors unless they're brainfarts or just new Scum.

So why does Scare do this as Scum, I have been asking myself?

It does make pretty much as little sense for him to do this as me making a Bodyguard claim that went nowhere if I was Scum. The only reason for him to push so hard is if he knows he's going down. So unless there is a SK who poisons and you find out you're poisoned the night it happens (or something equally creative and unlikely), I don't know why Scare would suicide into me. Unless he just wants to trade himself off (Scum bomb? That's a bastard role but idk)

So I've come around to some explanations for why Scare might do this as Town. I came up with some. Honestly, the "Scare is bluffing because he thinks he caught me as Scum, but hasn't realized his catch is a false positive" is attractive. It's really fucking shitty and is paramount to trolling, in my opinion, if he were to have done this in multiple games, but it's an explanation that makes sense.

But I can't get over how Scummy he's being. Scare is doing NOTHING. He hasn't tried all day. The only thing he did was go after Death then cower away as soon as Death said he had info. Then he plopped his fake scan on me and has just sat there, diddling himself while saying "no u".

The ONLY thing Scare has really responded to is when I said it makes sense for him to be suiciding to get out of the game early. I think he actually was insulted. Which means his motivation isn't to die... which means I think he's Scum, because this is a stupid needless risk to make as Town.

Anyway, I'm home, it's still light, I have tea - I'm going to go back and reread some of day 1, come up with my reads, compare them with the current game state, then go from there.

My biggest worry right now is I have too many question marks surrounding people who are siding with me, and that worries me that this is Town Town. But if enough people are in the middle/siding against me that I think are Scum, then I'll be pretty convinced Scare is Scum.

Wait what? In what world could this be town town?? Scare might be one to lie, but he'd be an idiot to push it this far into the day. I don't think it could possibly be a facade on either side at this point; one of you is scum.

The idea that you seemingly almost want to just go halfway has me taken aback somewhat.
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ScareChan posted...

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Plus, someone brought this up already iirc, but a lot of people are overlooking how easy of a fakeclaim jack is. Particularly the "commuter" portion. That in particular was a pretty big red flag as with probably one or two exceptions at best, that's something I'd expect from an actual scum jack/commuter going for an obvious fakeclaim.

You know I'm not new and you know I know this. Hell I was just an actual scum commuter in dande of dragons. I know that commuter doesny look good, but it's one of my actions. If I was bullshitting this as scum I am smarter than coupling 2 of the more scummier claims to make.

Okams razor, I'm telling the truth with my Role, han is caught scum

And even if you don't fully trust me now and think I'm scum then I am literally offering myself up 1 for 1. Town always wins by following onto han here

You can't hide behind the "he's just vanilla" excuse anymore. I already said before how BG for Jack is a pretty bad trade in this scenario. So now we don't win just by lynching Han here. Especially since I'd rather choose correctly the first time so we don't have to waste another day lynching the leftover scum player.

Han is likewise trading himself 1 for 1 by essentially conceding to you. There are better routes he could have taken if he was scum who truly wanted a fighting chance. Claiming a BG who didn't move is definitely not that.
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Terra-enforcer posted...

Shonen_Bat posted...

Now that I've had time to sleep on it...

Han's claiming situation strikes me as a lot odder than Scare's. I can't see why he shouldn't have used his night action on Chris on the chance he turned out to be town, unless he was absolutely sure that Chris was scum. Which is obviously not the case, as he was persuaded to change his vote pretty quickly.

So, why did you hold off using your ability on Chris, the obvious nk target if he's town?

Don't know how it's so hard to believe that someone would dare not protect Chris. If I were BG with no definitive reads, I would have saved my shot as well. Chris started acting weird towards the end of the day, and led a very weird train on Jedi, so there's definitely reason to be apprehensive in saving him.

The long short of it, I think most of the people on Han are relying too much on meta, while a lot of the Scare voters (especially Doop) are being more analytical and reviewing how Scare's actions thus far compare to Han's, in addition to considering some meta. Scare has been very selfish this entire game, but especially today. I don't recall entirely how he plays, but that isn't town behavior to me. Town players shouldn't solely play defense, you have to play some offense as well. And in Han's case, that worked out for him, since as Doopliss pointed out, there's some next level foresight in several of Han's plays this game which should give him more cred than some are giving him.

Plus, someone brought this up already iirc, but a lot of people are overlooking how easy of a fakeclaim jack is. Particularly the "commuter" portion. That in particular was a pretty big red flag as with probably one or two exceptions at best, that's something I'd expect from an actual scum jack/commuter going for an obvious fakeclaim. Plus there's still the fact that his flavor doesn't match up with anyone else's seemingly. Assuming Geno is town, his role is the obvious flavor trap, so I doubt Scare's is too.

I'm tired right now, but I'm going to mill over this situation a bit more before being too definitive about this, but nothing Scare has done is enough of a push to change my mind as of now.

I should also correct myself by saying I'm obviously not saying Scare Lynch = Right; Han Lynch = Wrong. At the end of the day those of us that are actually town are all just making educated guesses. I just think based on what I was seeing a lot as I was catching up, it seemed like a lot of the pro lynch Han people were flat out ignoring player's plays and focusing mostly on the meta aspect. This situation is very layered and I think it's best to analyze every layer before taking a bite.
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Shonen_Bat posted...

Now that I've had time to sleep on it...

Han's claiming situation strikes me as a lot odder than Scare's. I can't see why he shouldn't have used his night action on Chris on the chance he turned out to be town, unless he was absolutely sure that Chris was scum. Which is obviously not the case, as he was persuaded to change his vote pretty quickly.

So, why did you hold off using your ability on Chris, the obvious nk target if he's town?

Don't know how it's so hard to believe that someone would dare not protect Chris. If I were BG with no definitive reads, I would have saved my shot as well. Chris started acting weird towards the end of the day, and led a very weird train on Jedi, so there's definitely reason to be apprehensive in saving him.

The long short of it, I think most of the people on Han are relying too much on meta, while a lot of the Scare voters (especially Doop) are being more analytical and reviewing how Scare's actions thus far compare to Han's, in addition to considering some meta. Scare has been very selfish this entire game, but especially today. I don't recall entirely how he plays, but that isn't town behavior to me. Town players shouldn't solely play defense, you have to play some offense as well. And in Han's case, that worked out for him, since as Doopliss pointed out, there's some next level foresight in several of Han's plays this game which should give him more cred than some are giving him.

Plus, someone brought this up already iirc, but a lot of people are overlooking how easy of a fakeclaim jack is. Particularly the "commuter" portion. That in particular was a pretty big red flag as with probably one or two exceptions at best, that's something I'd expect from an actual scum jack/commuter going for an obvious fakeclaim. Plus there's still the fact that his flavor doesn't match up with anyone else's seemingly. Assuming Geno is town, his role is the obvious flavor trap, so I doubt Scare's is too.

I'm tired right now, but I'm going to mill over this situation a bit more before being too definitive about this, but nothing Scare has done is enough of a push to change my mind as of now.
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ScareChan posted...

I guarentee you by the way that if Chris were here he sides with me

because like FD said, when in doubt you take out the bg here over the jack

and if Han flips town I am dead to rights and you guys lynch me afterwards
(which wont happen, Han is scum but I am giving you game theory here)

lynching Han is always mechanically correct

Still in the process of catching up, and a few things stood out to me, but this is a particularly bad argument. Under normal circumstances maybe, but I would put BG above 1 shot doc/1 shot commuter. Commuter only helps you and scum aren't wasting a nk on you anyway, and your doc is just a worse version of Han's BG, especially since we undoutebly have another doc out there.

And no, I also doubt Chris would side with you. You were already on the edge with him yesterday, and today all you did was almost push Death to claim then defend yourself. At least Han has made some ground outside of spending nearly 100% of his post defending himself or refuting arguments held against him. But at the end of the day, Chris ain't here so it's all conjecture, so it's funny to see you using your biased perception of someone else's thoughts as reason for us to believe you any more.
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geno4smash4 posted...

What the f, will we really let Scare get away with a fake scan? Town has literally no reason to lie.
##Vote:Scare

Wow look at the han defense force here

Geno has definitely played with corrik before so he knows town can lie all the time

Also doop swinging on me after he trusted my scan after saying he wanted to lynch han but follow the scan and now wants to vote me lol

Yeah scum tried to kill me and they are salty as fuck

Isn't Han a new player? Literally no reason to waste your neck out on a new player if I'm being brutally honest.

And scum salty about failing to kill you? LOL I doubt it, but why the hell would someone be salty about a jack that already used one of his better abilities? Seems like one hell of a stretch to inflate your own ego, which is silly. A one use doc is not worth being fearful of when there's definitely an actual doc in the game. Especially when you haven't been the most progressive of the players here as is.
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Mid-Day 2 thoughts on potential scum team:

Scare, Pend, Ben, Lolo, and Shonen
Maybe FD somewhere in there.

If Scare is actually right about tracking Death, then that changes up some things. But this is what I'm going with for now.
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geno4smash4 posted...

Doopliss_Power posted...

At least we now know Han is Town for sure for sure.

Han, as our first 100% truly certified live Town, what do you think about the state of the game?

What? Even a monkey can fake that claim.

Yeah I'm confused where his logic is in that remark.

Doopliss_Power posted...

Han's claim format doesn't align with Scare's or what we've seen of Chris'.

Why didn't you say it doesn't, you know, align with your own format? Seems like a pretty basic comparison I'd expect a town player to make. And you yourself are voting for Scare, so by that logic he wouldn't be a good frame of reference since that would imply his is just a fake claim.

@eaedwards6400 votals please?
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HanOfTheNekos posted...

I really hate Terra showing up and saying "jedi was a bad lynch".

Scum often claim they wouldn't have been on Town lynches that they werent around for.

Pirate is probably Town for not realizing Red was Scum.

Geno, my role is Mega Man, veteran metal Blade. I am asking you to clarify your claim in that format

I was around when the Jedi lynch was in motion, and I stood my ground. I also explained in depth why it was a bad lynch, it's a basic scum trap. Don't act like I just said "bad lynch" and moved on when I had several paragraphs of statements to explain my thoughts. Though in hindsight, I almost wonder if it was a 4D Chess play on Chris's part to intentionally go for the bad lynch to expose people who hopped on without much question. That was one reason why I think if Scare flips scum, Ben and/or Pend are also in the running for potential scum.

geno4smash4 posted...

Terra what do you want from me? I have nothing to give you until Night 2. The only thing I can say is that I asked eaed about the drunk part in my text. He said he didn't rename it because that's not my true role, which I assumed but I guess nice to have confirmation.

I want you to explain how you thought "town isn't veteran" after calling yourself "veteran." I'm just not following you there.

eaedwards6400 posted...

It has come to my attention that I screwed up the flip at the start of the day.

It should have been:
DoomTheGyarados (Chris) has been killed! He was Captain Falcon, VETERAN Falcon Punch (1-Shot Vigilante.)

Continue.

Well this makes more sense. I questioned if this was host error or the host intentionally concealing information.
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Okay that's it for me tonight. Hopefully @benjamin3740 and @geno4smash4 come in with some deets sometime soon.
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Pirate_Harris posted...

Scare to fully convince my decision on you, answer these three questions.

Seeing as chris was killed, who is a viable lynch target?

If you tracked death, why did you say that red killed chris and not death?

Are you going to heal someone tonight, if yes then who?

That's not what happened. The current theory is that death targeted chris, and chris targeted red. I'm really confused as to how you missed the crux of Scare's position right now.
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Pirate_Harris posted...

hombad46 posted...

Pirate_Harris posted...

Pendragon71037 posted...

Pirate_Harris posted...

ScareChan posted...

What?

Dude you send an action each night regardless man. You dont just say "Well I am going to die or get blocked so I shouldnt submit an action"

Pirate you have played enough to know how things work now dude, AND you know the Chris/Red dynamic. How you are so hung up that Red killed POWER CLAIMED CHRIS is really just starting to look like you are protecting Death here

I'm not protecting death scare. I'm trying to figure out why you were not roleblocked...

Who knows, man. Maybe Scum doesn't have a Roleblocker this time around. Maybe they (somehow) ascertained that someone else has a power and blocked them instead. Maybe, like you, they figured Scare would try to protect Chris, so it didn't even matter and it was more important to not let Town know what powers they had. (this last one does require them to have that unblockable shot, but Terra said that's pretty common around here).

Ok so if scum doesn't have a roleblocker, than realistically what powers would scum have to circumvent that obstacle? Chris didn't outright claimed power because red just said that a smug chris probably has a power. In the games I was in, I never saw an unblockable shot... maybe a ninja but not unblockable

Terra and Scare both say that strongman (unblockable shot) is a common role

Well is it a one shot or not?

usually one shot, yes
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And can we please stop with the speculation on scum roles? Like I said, it's a waste of time unless one of you wants to come clean and tell us you scanned someone or you're part of the scum team and feel like being generous. We don't know how many scum players are left, and we don't know what their roles are. Mindless speculation on day 2 isn't going to get us anywhere.
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