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Itzy's previous songs are better (and I only really like Dalla Dalla), but all of their stuff is fun and I like them. The song isn't something I really enjoy but it's serviceable for a fun performance.

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I see now I'm late to the conversation but yeah, you gotta play the whole game if you want me to take your opinion at full value.

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ctesjbuvf posted...

Finally, the idea that you need to play the full game for your opinion to count has serious flaws. If you disliked the game after playing through a good bit of it then that's a strike against it already, it should ideally have you hooked the whole way through. Same goes if you don't like a synopsis of the game. Then that's fair. A lot of the time your intuition on such is true. If you need to play through 20+ hours to maybe not think a game was as bad as it sounds, then that's a problem too. That's a lot. And for a game as story heavy and cinematic as this one, watching it all definitely gives you a fair opinion. The idea that you would like the story much more or less if you played instead of watching is absurd to me. Minimal difference at best.

1. Yes you do need to play the full game because there are serious big picture things that happen in the last 15 minutes of the game.
2. Ideally it should have you hooked throughout - you're not wrong on that. Yet if you played only part of the game, your opinion on the whole game still carries less weight. You may have a valid complaint but you still can't talk about the game in full.
3. If you only read a synopsis of the game, you can't have a credible opinion on the game. My brother read the leaks, thought it was going to be shit, played it, and ended up calling it a masterpiece. Synopsis doesn't do anything.
4. Watching it in full gives you an opinion, but not one that matters as much as if you had played it all the way through. The player participating in the action/events is the whole purpose of a video game. It changes things.

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UltimaterializerX posted...

https://twitter.com/bennyjohnson/status/1279636803037925377?s=21

See I love this. Its a symbol of people telling overblown government to fuck itself.

is your facebook profile just the american flag and pro-trump vids? you seem like the kind of guy who would be like that.

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Dr_Football posted...

Hot Shots Golf: World Invitational (Vita) by default pretty much

yep that's a pretty fucking ridiculously hard one

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Geometry Wars 3 and Furi are probably the two hardest I've gotten. Felt pretty good about both of those but for different reasons.

Geometry Wars 3 was incredibly hard and took me two years before I finally got it. It's a really fun game so I didn't mind coming back to it every now and then to try again.

Furi I mastered pretty fast, but not many people who played it have the platinum and lots of people consider it an unforgiving game. So I suppose it's a hard game that I had a knack for.

Shoutouts to Red Dead Redemption 2 for being a difficult platinum to get simply for how awful the trophy list is. I'm not proud of that one because I never should've spent so much time looking for fucking animals or playing the shitty multiplayer.

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You're right that it's totally okay to not want to play the game fearing that you'll have to relive trauma. That's fine. It'd be ludicrous to tell someone they have to play it, and it's ludicrous to tell someone they can't have an opinion.

Yet their opinions still mean less about the game having not played the game because the game is not anti-trans, and it's not even blatantly doing anything wrong with its depiction. This a grey area. Some people think it's done right, some people don't. Most people even agree the intentions behind the depiction are on the right track. So deciding you're against it before having the controller in your hand means you're not a credible source of criticism. If you know you'll hate how the trans issues are portrayed without actually experiencing the portrayal, then I'm sorry, the opinion holds less weight whether you're trans or not.

EDIT: I like what SEP said. I agree with that.

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I would also say, just like I would say to you, if there's a trans person criticizing that aspect of the game, then I can only take their opinion at full value if they've played it. That's not to say their opinion doesn't matter. That's to say you can't have a fully credible opinion on something you haven't experienced for yourself the right way.

If they played the game through to the end and still feel that way, then alright. Don't agree with it much, but at least I understand the perspective now.

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PrivateBiscuit1 posted...

Edit: Also, it isn't really "faithful to reality" because they're in a zombie apocalypse, and it's a creepy religious cult, it discusses themes of 'being a warrior', and Lev kills his mother at the end after she tries to kill him. It's a fantastical take on the real issues that trans people go through, and one of my trans friends described it as 'trivializing'. It's really just a poor setting to deal with a sensitive subject like trans issues.

Gone Home must be not faithful to the experiences of lesbians then, because most lesbians don't have a family with a mansion and don't run away from home with their girlfriend who ditched the military. But obviously, the mansion and the military ditching aren't the point. Most games exist in a bit of a fantastical situation.

"Faithful to reality" doesn't mean it creates a 1:1 mirror of our reality. It means it gets to the heart of the issue and depicts that within the circumstances the game takes place in. Again, I'm not trans, but I didn't feel like it trivialized anything. I'm a straight white guy who lives in Texas, so my demographic would be one to normally trivialize the issues trans people face. Yet I played TLOU2, and I feel the same way about them as I did before: they deserve better, and our culture needs to evolve to include them properly.

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HashtagSEP posted...

Watching a game over a stream kinda takes you out of any emotional impact of being the one controlling the character. You're not the one making the choices/taking the actions, so it's much easier to feel completely disconnected from the experience and thus not get the same feeling people that have played it have.

Which, like said, doesn't make your opinion worthless at all, but it also doesn't make it equal to somebody that has actually played.

QFT

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ctesjbuvf posted...

The issue is mostly that transgendered people have close to no represenation in video games, in particular triple a games this one. What they want is basically to be treated just like everyone else more than anything. This game has the best intentions about it I do not doubt, but Lev's story is an extreme story of trans people not being accepted where they come from, and that's not the representation you want at this point in time. It's a shame it has to be that way, but it is.

Legitimate question: doesn't great art resemble reality in many cases? Why wouldn't you want that representation? The game does not condone how the Scars are, and glorifies Abby for renouncing her faction to be a family of sorts with Lev and Yara. It says, "he isn't accepted in that group, and that group is in the wrong, but here is a character that does accept him as Lev and not Lily."

I'm not trans so I'll gladly defer to someone who is trans and played the game to completion saying they didn't approve of it for this reason. But I'd imagine the way this game depicts the transsexual struggle is welcomed because it's faithful to reality while also asking for reality to be better because trans people deserve better.

PrivateBiscuit1 posted...

I've pretty clearly said I've seen like 95% of the game via watching streams and videos (missing a small gap of stuff in Ellie's side). All I was really missing was hands on a controller.

I'm a firm believer that you have to actually play it to have a fully credible opinion. That goes for most games, not just TLOU2 in particular. Not saying your opinion holds no weight, but I am saying it holds less weight than someone who played it front to back.

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in response to post 250: you're being fine pezz, ulti is the ridiculous one in 95% of his conversations.

UltimaterializerX posted...

No, I think this game should have been a full game that ends with Joel dying, or at least have it happen in the middle and set up a slow burn Abby face turn and sequel. Having a major character die ASAP is just bad storytelling and would get mocked by any reputable film/literature critic.

Okay but the major character didn't die ASAP. He died after a full game. This game doesn't exist in a vacuum, it exists with the first game preceding it.

What would realistically happen in TLOU2 that would justify a sequel if it weren't a story like this one? Would Joel and Ellie just dick around in Jackson and occasionally go on patrol until Abby shows up to kill him at the end instead of the beginning? It's not like Abby is gonna exist for a whole game alongside Joel before she kills him. She's just gonna do it as soon as she finds him. Hence, the story structure given makes the most sense.

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Triple post, I know, but quick appreciation for the first game: so awesome how they made a character who I knew was the bad guy (basically committed a massive crime against humanity), yet I still loved him for the exact reason that he was the bad guy. And there were numerous layers to his slaughter of the fireflies. It was selfish and selfless at the same time. It was the most loving action but also the most hateful.

I could almost say the exact same thing about Abby's revenge on Joel (so also quick appreciation for the second game), but I'll be honest, I like Joel more than Abby.

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I heavily agree with this video made by Girlfriend Reviews. It almost describes my thoughts better than I could, except I was a lot more willing to forgive Abby because I knew Joel was not the good guy of the first game in any way except how he cared for Ellie.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bh5gzGs-63Y

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HashtagSEP posted...

Nobody ever reconsiders their quest for vengeance, Zacny wrote. Everyone acts under a kind of vindictive compulsion that goes little remarked and unexamined. Zacny went on to describe the games message as complacent, full of oppressive bleakness and violence.

This sounds like an incredibly unfair complaint about the game. Almost as if they didn't finish it. I'm sure Zacny did finish the game and genuinely felt that way, but seems like he missed the point if that's how he feels.

Honestly, most of the complaints about the game I've read have straight up missed the point of the game, or they sound like they wanted something that they didn't get. If that's dismissive of the complaints, then so be it. The more I think about the game, the more I think of how both Ellie and Abby were developed really beautifully in their own ways. I think of how I could understand their emotions and their actions just by seeing animations, how I could disagree with the action but sympathize with the reason all at the same time. It's a powerful story of loss and forgiveness moreso than it is a meditation on revenge. The violence feels like the backdrop, not the focus. The first game still stands as my GOAT, but this game had a lot to be praised.

Basically, after finishing, I can't agree with someone who thinks the characters never learned anything, never developed much at all, never did anything that made sense, and take issue with how some of the societal issues are handled. And in most cases it's hard for me to even understand those complaints given the person complaining played all the way through too.

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LinkMarioSamus posted...

One of the YouTubers I follow hates TLOU2 and he avoided the plot leaks.

Then again his favorite game is the original so whatever?

My favorite game is the original, I avoided the leaks, and I think TLOU2 is fantastic in almost every way. So I don't think his favorite game being the first TLOU has anything to do with it.

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I thought the dogs made the combat more exciting. Definitely made it harder to be stealthy though.

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XIII_rocks posted...

HOLY FUCK WHAT THE FUCK
That was one of the biggest jumpscares I've ever had in a game
Trying to use the workbench and getting attacked MID-UPGRADE
You sons of bitches ND I nearly had a heart attack

fastest my heart raced in the whole game probably

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I just beat it. It's fantastic. I love it.

I will keep all spoilers to myself, but I will say one thing. I stayed completely away from any discussion of the game AT ALL before finishing it. I didn't read the leaks, I didn't read anyone's complaints or compliments, I didn't read reviews... nothing. I did read all that AFTER beating the game. I have not seen a single complaint against the game's themes or exploration of issues that seemed entirely fair. Some I can understand, but still strongly disagree with. Every societal issue the game decided to tackle (including deadnaming), I feel like it did so in a responsible and meaningful way. The game may use certain things in its plot, but that is by no means exploiting or condoning anything.

Biggest issue with the game was that the pace was slowed down way too much by repeated sections of buildings to scavenge. If you don't care to be as thorough as I was in looking for supplies / collectibles / workbenches / manuals / etc, that is probably less of an issue for you.

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honestly I just ignored Ulti, clearly no one in this topic wanted to harass me just for saying the camera isn't that good. wasn't even in my OP. pretty silly

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I recently played this game and thought it was like a 6.5/10

good story, rather mediocre gameplay, some massively glaring flaws in the overall design such as the over-reliance for unoriginal minigames as an escape from the tedium of pressing square square square triangle for hours.

played Yakuza Kiwami too and I didn't like it much at all. Yakuza 0 has way more style, doesn't waste your time quite as much, and the dynamics between characters in the story is more interesting.

you should give a final thoughts post after you beat it

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I never had it give me a top-down view with lock-on. If anything, on the bigger enemies, it titled my camera to look up instead of down because it only locks on to their head (or the equivalent of it, for those that didn't have one), and that gets worse the closer to the enemy you are.

Had major camera issues on many of the big chalice dungeon bosses.

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HanOfTheNekos posted...

You should have played Dark Souls first

What about playing Dark Souls first makes Bloodborne better?

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MariaTaylor posted...

I will!

well you keep coming back so clearly you won't!

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NFUN posted...

The lore is so good though. it's incredible to see people picking up the pieces left and discovering the backstory. From what I've seen, Bloodborne's is ambiguous but well-devoloped--the devs at least put enough effort in crafting it so that there are complete theories you can create with evidence behind them, enough so that it doesn't necessarily matter if what you've come up with matches the exact intentions.

It's not a traditional story. It's still good. It's like getting super into a series that's only half-finished and using the hints and foreshadows the author scattered to figure out what hasn't been explicitly said and what hasn't happened yet. It's different then reading the complete series, of course, yet has its own unique joy in using your insight and creativity to fill the spaces intentionally left blank.

Who cares if the situation around the main character isn't the focus? That's like people whining that "Link doesn't even have any lines!". A million games, some with good stories, have an excuse protagonist impetus undeveloped beyond "save the world". Like you said. It's not what the game's about.

this post brought to you by Sanderson's Cosmere, where having only a fourth of the novels written is half the fun!

I think I would agree that the story doesn't have to be super meaningful or in-depth or anything like that. However, here's where I disagree: I knew so little at the end of Bloodborne that I just didn't care about anything. If the game assumes that I am so excited about the game that I want to go scrounge the world for little notes that are one sentence in length and piece together story through item desciptions while not actually telling me anything, then that's kinda pretentious.

I tend to believe a game's story is best told through both dialogue and gameplay, and the things the player needs to assemble themselves are the themes and meaning. Having to piece together the parts of the characters that they don't outright say tends to be pretty effective too (I think The Last of Us does this pretty well, you end up piecing together their true motivations yourself especially near the end).

If a game doesn't have a big meaning to it, then that's fine too, but at the same time, don't leave me to piece together something that means nothing. Cause that's a waste of my time. Bloodborne has great world building, but gives you no context for it, so I'm finding it easy to leave Yharnam behind. In a setting like Mass Effect had, by the end of ME3, I didn't want to stop experiencing that setting cause there was so much more that I actually cared about.

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MariaTaylor posted...

this game was not made for people like you.

just stop thinking about it so much and go play something else.

Wtf? I didn't say I was gonna keep playing it. I thought it was okay to discuss a video game on a gaming website.

Sorry I wanted to share my thoughts on a popular game.

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metaIslug posted...

It's not an always-online game. In fact you can't even go online without PS Plus

I have PS+ and I still played the whole game offline. There's literally an option on title screen before you even get to the main menu that asks "Play offline" or "Play online"


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CassandraCain posted...

Souls games get better the more you play them and get used to their unique style. They have a steep learning curve but it's worth taking the time to learn the deeper mechanics.

I'm genuinely interested in knowing what deeper mechanic I missed after getting the platinum trophy.

Bonus points if it's stuff I could've done without playing the game multiple times, because I don't have the time for that.

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metaIslug posted...

I don't know how anyone bothered to do the chalices offline. I don't know if this is just offline or something but getting the materials to do the next chalice seemed like a grind. I got to the 3rd chalice before saying fuck this

The worst one is Arcane Haze. But there's an item called the Haze Extractor that lets you turn all the tomb mold and ritual blood found around the chalice dungeons and turn them into a lot of Arcane Haze. I think it's on layer 2 or 3 of the third pthumerian chalice.

I only had to grind once for a part, and it was just one ritual blood (3). And there was a coldblood flower that I had to buy with 2 Insight. No big deal there either.

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DeathChicken posted...

I couldn't quite wrap my head around a game based on exploiting a parry mechanic, but you only have a limited amount of items (bullets) to do that mechanic with and if you run out, you're required to grind for more. Who thought that was a good idea

I tended to try beating enemies with dodging and striking first, and if by far the easiest way was gonna be parrying, then I'd use my bullets. So basically, bullets were largely saved for enemy hunters and medium-sized monsters. I used them on some bosses too, like Logarius.

Wouldn't say the game was based around parrying, it was just an option in your arsenal.

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Peace___Frog posted...

A lot of the bosses can be replayed in the chalice dungeons, and are scaled up so you don't beat them in just a few combos!

I had to run through 7 different Chalice Dungeons for the platinum, and I actually thought they were not really worth playing much. They introduce a ton of extra bosses that aren't as exciting (or, in the Defiled chalice dungeon, they're bullshit), reuse the same rooms over and over again, and you lose the cool world and boss arenas from the rest of the game.

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Cavedweller2000 posted...

I just can't get over the fact you can't pause the game

This and the poor camera were two things I kinda wanted to mention but left out of the OP because they weren't quite as egregious. I'd usually just go back to the Hunter's Dream, or I'd clear a room and leave the game like that.

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Yep, new Twice is meh. Weak chorus compared to their last two title tracks. Side tracks are just as good as the title track but they're nothing to write home about either.

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6.5/10

This is the first FromSoft game I've played, and I gotta say, I'm pretty disappointed. The game's biggest strengths seem to be the combat and the world. I think both are done well, but neither wowed me. Here's some of my biggest grievances with the game:

I've always heard that FromSoft games are, "difficult but fair," and Bloodborne seems inconsistent at actually applying that idea. I remember one room had 3 enemy hunters in it that you had to fight at once. Only way I can even imagine getting through that room is by cheesing it. Can't forget the spider room near the end too - that was total bullshit. There's also situations where an enemy is just waiting to ambush you and take half your health off instantly unless you're already aware the ambush is ahead. None of these things felt fair to me. A majority of the time, I enjoyed playing Bloodborne, but these were some poor moments.

I wish the RPG elements were done differently. The level up and weapon upgrading systems are designed so that you are somewhat stuck playing with a certain weapon. The lack of a re-spec option means your build can't be changed, and the scarcity of blood stone chunks meant I could only upgrade one or two weapons to use against the tougher enemies. I barely even touched any weapons other than the Saw Cleaver and Hunter's Axe, even though I really wanted to try out the Chikage and Ludwig's Holy Blade, because nothing else was going to do enough damage without upgrades.

While the world was well made, I think the storytelling was criminally underdone. Yahtzee from Zero Punctuation described this as "subtle storytelling", but for me, it felt like there was almost no storytelling at all. I've looked up what the story was and who all the characters were, but I would've never known any of that from just playing the game. By the end of the game, I had an idea of only a few important things, and the endings were not satisfying (despite an awesome "final" boss) because I had nothing invested in the story up to that point. The game didn't seem like it cared to tell me anything, so I didn't care to be interested.

I almost feel like this is the kind of game that would benefit from a boss rush mode. Many of the bosses were the most fun aspects of the game with the greatest feeling of reward. I don't have any care to replay the game, but I do kinda want to go fight some of those bosses again, maybe with a different weapon this time around.

It's a good game, but I don't think it's great, and I'm surprised this got 9s and 10s on release.

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Best IU songs?

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mort and jimmy pesto are pretty close

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Lucavi000 posted...

There is traffic, probably the worst traffic youll ever see in your life. It is very over crowded. A LOT of people have come to Austin in the past few years. There is construction on every major highway all the time and every other highway that isnt under construction is a toll road.

god this part is so true

I thought DFW traffic was bad, especially because everything is so spread out. You're having to go between cities quite often (Dallas, Fort Worth, Arlington, Irving, Denton, and Plano are some of the more important cities around the area and they make up a big circle) so you can spend quite a bit of time on the road.

Then I took a trip to Austin and a trip to San Antonio where I had to drive through Austin. The trip to Austin, we got stuck coming into the city, middle of the afternoon. The trip to San Antonio, there was heavy traffic trying to make it through Austin at 11pm. It seems like it doesn't matter what time of day, there will be traffic on the highway no matter what.

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Nelson_Mandela posted...

Dallas, TX: Nice area but not as exciting or culturally fulfilling as Austin.

Dallas is my area. The weather is better in Dallas than Austin if you ask me, but otherwise you have it rather spot on. There is some cool stuff in Dallas/Fort Worth but not nearly as much as there is in Austin.

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I live in TX, have been in Austin before. It sounds pretty much exactly like what you're looking for. Bars with good live music is basically Austin's thing, and the city has more of a lively culture than just about any other place in Texas. They'll definitely have foreign films showing at some places. There's a university close to downtown so young people will be around.

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Chaeryeong might be second for me.

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I've decided Dalla Dalla is my favorite, then Wannabe, then Icy. Bias is Yuna, because she always looks the happiest when they're performing, but all 5 of the girls are good performers.

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Okay I have discovered Itzy

What do y'all like more, Dalla Dalla or Wannabe?

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Whiskey_Nick posted...

PS4 - trophies

that's my kind of answer.

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Wii wins by total sales
360 won early vs. PS3
I'd say PS3 came out of that generation the best riding off of PS3's awesome exclusives and end-generation momentum.

You could make an argument that any of the three consoles won the generation.

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Hurt Dp

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Hurt Inception

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Hurt Maniac for fun!

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this weekend?

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Fuck yeah, Solio on break from school is the champion

Solio in school will be pitiful though lmao

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