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I stole a loaf of bread
My sisters child was close to death
And we were starving
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EndOfDiscOne posted...

foolm0r0n posted...

Arya teleported from Braavos so nah

I was thinking the same thing. Maybe she got some sort of water dancer ability in Braavos, so she can travel quickly over water but not on land.

She can walk on water? Like the Jesus?
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I just don't understand why there are no walkers at the gates
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How much time has elapsed since Dany touched down in dragonstone?
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dowolf, gravy, death, only 1 of you is scum. Will the other two please rationalize why Plum got all 3 powers off if he was hinting power and the scum team absolutely has a roleblocker.

Why is This story more believable: The Scum team missed N1, used the roleblock on KBM w/ the kill N2 and then still didn't target Plum who had been hinting power?

Than this story: For some reason Scum has targeted me 5 Nights in a Row with the goddamn roleblock.
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Actually that last post is for all 3 of you however the snark is only directed at dowolf.
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Plum was dropping power hints all fucking game before he finally revealed. Or did you not read back and see all that?

Why exactly, didn't Plum get roleblocked even once? Have you even once thought about that. Do you use the same logic that makes me scum, explain away why obv. power Plum got off all 3 of his powers?
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And why has gravy now also fallen silent?


It's not fair to town that our whole game has fallen on my shoulders.

I'll be back later, going to go decompress and hopefully come back to some rational thinking.
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My thoughts with you and your family. This is one of my greatest fears. Hope everything gets straightened out.
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So what am I missing here dowolf.

A. Your argument is that other people look more town.

B. Bodyguard doesn't make sense.

C. He unvoted Red, to try to save him (even though that's not what I was doing)

Got anything else, cause you are disavowing my whole body of work this game.

And the fact that you still won't answer why you never voted for your assassin on day 1 when you had plenty of reason to still should be addressed.
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Yeah I'd like to hear something based on my play from dowolf and not based on circumstance. A good town player wouldn't rely on role meta to win the game.
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htaeD posted...

though Gravy I cant completely like, since his investigation seems to have been done offscreen (so to speak) and his posts have this 'sideline observer' affect to them.

possibly just a result of him not wanting to get in the heavy arguments, but seeing him ask Dowolf for a NL just now makes me twitch

I'm not seeing the dowolf investigations. Are you?

Frankly if all 3 of you are ready to lynch sbell. I might as well just not waste the next 72 hours of my life trying to veer the two remaining town in yhe three of you that you are wrong. I have work and a family as well. But that's anti-town and then I'll have to hear that shit at end game and fuck.

I promised I wouldn't get angry over this but the frustration of trying to get through to any of you is wearing on me. It's like talking to trump supporters.

Well I'm done for now. I'll read on my own time, end the day if you want. I know I have 24 full hours to send in my bodyguard so at least I have control over that.
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Do not end the day early
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Yeah, you have nothing against me except lol votals and lol if he's town then scum was so ooooo bad.

That is weak and pathetic.

You use votals to confirm gravy but damn me?


You as town are better than this.

Thank you for claiming scum. Doesn't matter who you kill tonight. I'll make sure town wins this game
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What is your problem?

Where did this attitude come from?

Have you just given up?
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dowolf posted...

...This isn't aggressive? Or rude?

I feel like we're in a basement, and you're dressed as a 1920's mafia boss saying "Nice words you got there. Shame if somebody twisted them."

Dowolf don't. Don't even walk down that path. You are projecting. You have taken any possible angle you could to point suspicion at me. You have chosen only to believe what will fuel the outcome you desire. So the only twisting is coming from you.

I am pointing out what has been said and then asking legit questions (question you still haven't answered).


I'll be fully read back on you soon and we'll see what's what. prior to sceptile saying 95% scare, 5% sbell I for the life of me can't remember you saying 1 negative thing about me. So this just looks bad for you right now. I'm just showing it exactly how it is, no twists, no turns. Opinions, maybe, but it's sitting here for all to see.
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I asked a question. You ignored it and responded rudely.

And two confirmed town players views of you is certainly worth a look. To disavow confirmed towns opinions on remaining players is foolish.


Dowolf, why are you getting so aggressive here? As town you have just as much responsibility here to properly find the correct lynch. So if you want to continue to be belligerent and refuse to help... you only hurt yourself.
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greengravy294 posted...

im home! taidaima

Okaeri! Welcome home.

Yeah google, bitches.
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If I call in an order to a diner, the waitress still has to tend to my food, bag it up, etc. She still has to tip out to the chef that prepared the food. I toss her 2 bucks for the trouble.

Does not get a usual 20% tip.
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Best Game Soundtrack Ever.
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More notes on Dowolf:

Plum says:

Dowolf popping in for a useless joke is probably a scum slip. I've made that mistake before where you are consciously not contributing as scum, but then a funny presents itself and you forget you're supposed to be not posting

Town suspecting dowolf.

Tom says:

Decent points on dowolf, I could get behind pushing him.

and ALSO says:

Scep doesn't specifically feel townish but he doesn't bug me either. Not that interested in going after either at the time being.

Town Tom suspecting dowolf and also saying he wont back dowolf's current horse (town sceptile)


Tom continues:

in fact, let's be slightly proactive!

Lolo is probably still my #1 target but since nobody's going for him, let's put that vote somewhere maybe more useful

##Unvote: Lolo
##Vote: dowolf

Vote could just as easily have gone to Phoenix or pez or maybe VI but I feel like dowolf is the most likely to step up his game if I vote him wrongly.

Tom names TWO, possibly THREE scum in this post with his vote on dowolf, coming off of lolo(now gravy). And Tom was killed Night1.


officially through Topic 2, Page 5.

And nothing is helping dowolf's case.
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htaeD posted...

I will admit that confidence always worries me
also keep getting distracted, had to watch the new GOt episode
how could I not

Doing that tonight. Very excited
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dowolf, you (admittedly) "joke" vote Phoenix and leave your vote on him for a LONG time even when supposedly truly attacking PEZ on your own (i'm now through about 4-5 pages of Day 2). However you NEVER vote him. Infact you vote for only Town, except for the case of your final vote which is on LOLO (now Gravy) and we dont know his allignment.

now I will say that Red shits on you for not doing ANYTHING up until this point however he then also does the same to Lolo (now gravy) and both of you are possible scum so this is a big Nulltell and does nothing for or against you.

What i dont understand is why you gave yourself a legit reason to vote for Pez and questions his allignment in multiple posts yet didn't unvote your later admitted joke vote on phoenix and put real pressure on someone you were suspecting.

Why did you do this dowolf?
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dowolf posted...

well, there's also the incongruity of night actions.

tbh if it weren't for Plum I would genuinely think that scum didn't have a roleblocker (would be really interesting -- scum has no blocker, but town's only protection is also a roleblocker), but, well. Here we are. Hopefully Plum wasn't just lying about his night actions for no particular reason~

You are correct; I am confident. I have seen no particularly good reason not to be, and you seem content not to give me one.

I'd say thanks for claiming scum, however the verdict is not yet out on gravy. You just happen to be looking much worse at this moment in time.
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Real quick, I should be working not researching.

dowolf 7/18/2017 11:17:32 PM#189

Whoops -- thought this was starting tomorrow for some reason.

From: Phoenix
Konnichiwa watashi no nakama.


##Vote: Phoenix

"Watashi" ka?! Sonna hito janasasou yakedo... Sore ni, idai-naru jinbutu ha jibun wo idai to yobanai yarou?

(apologies to those of you who can't read Japanese. Suffice to say that nothing I have written in Japanese is of any import)

(also "motto nemuri ni tsukimashita"? what are you trying to say?)

Do not like Plum immediately going after Pez for a "slip." It feels too much like low-hanging fruit.

From: Plum
He is always scum


Hey! I will have you know I am on a two game town streak awwwwww
yeah

Man voting people for not making consequential posts 2 hours into d1 I feel like this is the apocalypse.

also fuck the house i'm in's Internet. But that's neither here nor there.

Dowolfs first post of anyhting of substance.

Votes for phoenix for saying Hi in Japanese in a Japanese History game. Throws hate towards Plum for a GOOD attack on Pez early.

And then feels the need to defend himself to what is clearly not serious banter from Tom and Plum (town and town) about voting him. Only scum would be concerned with how they come across to whom they know to be town THAT early.

Already looking STELLAR for dowolf. i'll do more later.
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dowolf posted...

you're welcome to try to convince me why gravy or death is the last scum.

convincing me that I am the last scum seems far less fruitful, but as I said before, you be you.

Really putting in a A+ effort here aren't you. Town usually wants to make the right choice not the easy choice.

You are choosing to lynch based on role meta and votal count and not considering you could be wrong. Someone so confident must clearly know exactly what's necessary for their faction to win the game.
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dowolf posted...

nah i got no idea why you would do what you did with the red and gravy votes, either as town or scum. Seems more likely you thought Red was dead-to-rights, then realized he wasn't, then proceeded to realize that yes in fact he was.

You are choosing to believe the one scenario in which you can paint me as scum and the one problem here is that you aren't opening your mind to the possibility that I am NOT scum. So if you are town, bad, bad dowolf. And if you are scum, well then that just makes sense so just keep doing you. Death gravy and I will figure this out on our own.
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Lunch was 4 minutes apparently...
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Dowolf is also where I need the most reading. I don't like focusing on gravy, personally and I've been stuck only being able to address you right now, I'll be able to do more tonight after work.

I do want to say death that of the 3 you are the best right now since you like me are trying to do work where both gravy and dowolf came in and said "well no lynch and kill sbell, that's game"
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And really what do I gain (as scum) by pulling that maneuver (red/gravy votes)? If you ask dowolf he'd say it's a risk to try to save a teammate (because dowolf likes to pick and choose the risks that make sense to his existing argument) but that's just foolish. Stay on red and I still look good. Sure one more scum down but then I continue to stay under the radar as roleblocker. Why would I draw more attention to myself.

I might be a rusty mafia (game not affiliation) player but I'm not stupid. So a little credit please
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Well then, I have my work cut out for me this evening.
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Is one job weaker than the other, like main / sub?

Can I have a whm wearing heavy armor attacking with a battle axe?
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So I beat both demon walls and then be liason was a walk in the park.

Now I don't know what to do re: summons and second job class.

After picking a second job do I get to work on both license boards?
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It was the anger directed at me for a post or two.
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htaeD posted...

sorry, transitioned back to my home (sweet sweet vacation time)

kay I will ask
why did you seem to forget about red (and VI) for so long?
or to put it in a less assuming manner, what made you pursue Pez over red again day2? and Gravy day3?
(I can see why you went after sceptile)

Red after my initial suspicion day1 lured me into a sense of contentment with his reactions to my vote on him and then I wasn't really picking up anything further from him, but that might be mainly cause his content was lacking.

VI, remember I assumed was Town after day 1 just biding his time, unfortunately he continued to bide and then would show up with very little. There we many inactives this game. Red replaced in on inactive Leo and then, vi was inactive, Lolo was inactive and gravy replaced in. It's hard to continually probe people that don't participate.

I pursued Pez because he stuck out the most. I feel he was my strongest read especially the way he reacted to my reasoning for being able to see right through him.

As for Gravy, he replaced in for Lolo who was antagonizing the game with his reluctance to appease any requests for feelings opinions, etc. He finally posted a huge post just before leaving the game. Lolo did not sit well with me and gravy took over that position. I need a big reread of him today because I truly have been uncertain. When I switched to him amidst the red lynch it was because what he said was so uncharacteristic of him in regards to me. We do not get along in mafia games. He does not "believe me" ever and he certainly doesn't swap into a game and announce to the game he likes me (if I'm remembering correctly). So that made me immediately shoot to "this boy scum" which was the reason for my swap. He responded. I went back to Red. Timing or otherwise wasn't a factor as others are stating.
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Also that's a fair assessment of my game play. You didn't push it towards one side or another.

I'm open to answer any questions you may have on how I played this game death. I am at the office though so be patient.
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That's twice you've confused people now. But we won't hold it against you.
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Tina, Billy, Charlie... should we know who they are?

Every time she said Billy. I thought she meant Billy Zane and I had to remind myself that John Justice Wheeler is not named Billy.
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htaeD posted...

sidenote
its fucking annoying to ctrl+f for 'VI' and 'red'

VI was a pain. I found 13n helped when just looking for reds posts though.

And you're right, I was WIFOMing it up last night, unnecessarily.
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To be perfectly frank I'm expecting a dowolf gravy sbell final. Based on the fact that death is more confident that gravy is scum and not sbell.

But I'm not going to continue hypothesizing.

I'll have a lot to read through tomorrow.
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greengravy294 posted...

You sound rather certain both you and I will be alive at f3.

At this moment. Gravy trumpeting that I must be scum because I voted off red and onto him right before getting back on red. Yeah, if you are town, we will be in end game together and as much as it pains me to say it, it will be my job to convince YOU not to lynch me. Of course, that is, if after rereading the game I come to the conclusion you are the most town out of the remaining players.

Scum could kill me tonight, but that would be stupid since I'm now the only one receiving any suspicion.

Scum could kill you. And then that would make it look like I was worried you'd lynch me cause I'm scum. Bonus points for whichever scum is dowolf/death.
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I'm asking nicely as well. We have 48 hours + 24 + 48.

Mind you after the no lynch we should have narrowed the field to Gravy, Myself and which ever one of death / dowolf is more likely to lynch me.

So I'd prefer as much time as possible to ensure we don't screw this up dowolf.
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The only thing I can think as for roleblock ing me N1 was my inadvertent soft protection claim.
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Dowolf. Work with me for a second.

You are a bodyguard. You protect VI night one (stupidly, it's true)

Night two you protect the confirmed cop and are roleblocked again and the cop dies.

Would you not consider the fact that scum NOW at the start of day 3 has found protection?

It's the only logical thought.
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greengravy294 posted...

That said I am fairly sure it is Sbell here. His wishy washy attitude truly strikes me as not actually really caring if I was lynched or not. As soon as pressure mostly died on me day 3 he kinda just said "okay he's town".

No, I read your response and it played to me on a personal lvl. I let it convince me you were town. What other people were doing at that moment didn't mean shit to me. I did what I needed to do at that moment to feel better about you. Just because town has a clear consensus on who we are ly ching doesn't mean I can't continue to scumhunt. Last hour of the day is a great time to catch someone.

However I may have been greatly mistaken in trusting you after our interaction.
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dowolf posted...

Obellisk posted...

I had zero reason to claim. ZERO. Scum doesn't unprovoked and unthreatened go out on a limb with nearly no powers revealed and claim a power that could easily be countered. At the time of my claim I was roleblocked two nights in a row and scum got two perfect kills off and I chose to reveal to town what I knew, perhaps a day early, so that town had more information to work with, after kbm didn't get protection and I was roleblocked it had to be obvious to scum that roleblock ing me was the right play.

1) Scum take risks.
2) Why would giving us that information help us? If you are town, all you accomplished there was telling scum who you are.
3) Why did scum know to roleblock you?

1) scum takes risk on claiming bad roleblocker...? But doesn't take risk on not blocking kbm when they kill her? You are talking out of both sides of your mouth.
2) they killed kbm confirmed cop and roleblocked me the same night. Clearly they knew who I was. I felt it was useful for town to be informed as scum was in regards to information regardless of how useless it ended up being.
3) I nailed 2 scum day 1. Also teased chris about him not liking me not helping him later. Bad move in the long run.
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htaeD posted...

I see what you are saying

I did consider towns power, and it does seem too much from what we know about the scumteam by now

I didnt consider that if sbell is telling the truth, scum shot KBM without fear of KBM being protected or anything (But if they blocked KBM, nobody could counter Sbells block)

also it was sbells vote that almost took red away from the lynch on day3..

aahh.. I need to process all this with a clearer head
goodnight for now

I don't think an argument can be based off of whether or not scum might have been afraid of something. That's a wild theory.

As for Red. I was always on him and going to kill him. My swap to gravy was to work through my own suspicions of him. And now that is full on in question because all 3 of you are possibly scum right now.


In fact gravy is my prime suspect. Replaced in. Clearly hasn't read whole game and immediately showed up to mimic scept who was very confused town.
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Yeah, we aren't lynching me. Gravy, you are being foolish here and obv. haven't read the whole game.

I had zero reason to claim. ZERO. Scum doesn't unprovoked and unthreatened go out on a limb with nearly no powers revealed and claim a power that could easily be countered. At the time of my claim I was roleblocked two nights in a row and scum got two perfect kills off and I chose to reveal to town what I knew, perhaps a day early, so that town had more information to work with, after kbm didn't get protection and I was roleblocked it had to be obvious to scum that roleblock ing me was the right play.

I've had no suspicion all game, I've received no votes. I was prepared to kill different two scum on day 1 and have been a shining beacon of town all game. My previous last 48ish hours of game play have certainly been lighter but I've been very busy with the kids. I will now be rereading the entire game. I am not letting either of the two remaining town left in this game ruin it for the rest of us by attempting to lynch me.

With all that said. We no lynch today. But no early hammering. I want as much time as possible to figure this out.
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dowolf posted...

I really expected this day to be over by the time I woke up.

Nope.
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