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PunishedBen posted...

Why 5?

because then chang is scum and knows the game doesn't end anyway.

watch its 5 scum and scum chang is just fucking with us

Well, I guess we are just going to proceed with Chang. I don't see a other lynch actually happening and we'll have to tskr this down to a final 5 if Chang is in fact town.

changmas posted...

i just dont see it frankly

and tbh i see it more likely to go chang -> ben lynch than ulti -> ben

because if i dont get lynched today im definitely getting lynched tomorrow. so i'd rather take the better shot at what i see as the last scum even if it costs me

if we don't lynch you today. who do you forsee the final 5 to be?

I feel like Ulti makes a lot of sense in a lot of ways, But at the same time has enough interactions with power roles to give him the clear.

When Death went to bed Day 1 its not like it was already a big tie between Ctes and Corrik so his vote on Ulti is not like Death avoiding scummates. The votals at that point were spread very thin so dropping an Ulti vote and saying its the best case for town could really have been a bus expecting it to never come to fruition. But to go that angle right now feels like a big stretch.

I honestly have nothing to go on when it comes to Ben and i guess i'm going to need to make that deep dive eventually. Are we still saying that its too many Vanillas? Or do we feel like we've hit that Vanilla sweet spot now? Ben hasn't made me feel like he's scum and maybe thats hats off to him.

Then we have Chang which seems to be the consensus but I can't help but feel like Scum is just waiting for us to lynch him. Its not a great feeling.

Enchantress posted...

Really glad we can eliminate Red and JC from contention now helps a ton

well and me. Since I too have not voted to hammer. But I knew you'd appreciate it.

nothing overnight.

well I think we've absolutely narrowed it down to 1 in Chang, Ulti, Lea and Ben.

Otherwise scum would have just hammered Town already and moved us on to the next day.

I'd feel better about ending it if Red chimed in a bit first

Humor me Ulti, just running out all the bits here. Why is it you HAD to act night 1 if scum?

Was ulti scanned as Ned Flanders or just as Town by Mzero?

Is it that Ulti went hero play as scum godfather and just blindly claimed Ned Flanders neighbor and managed to survive being neighbored by the actual town neighbor?

Enchantress posted...

I strongly feel like we need to one day have an irl B8 mafia game in an executive lunch environment like this. It's fun. If people don't end the day in a timely manner, we could throw rolls at them.

I would love some rolls right now.

The theory you propose which makes more sense to you is just too convoluted and requires so many steps and on the journey there are too many "but why not this" scenarios.

And the issue with chang opposed to other alive players is that Scum is going to be forced to reveal some of them to us. Whereas if you are bullet proof you'll be forced into the finals. And the question will always be is it you.

sbell ulti chang final. I'm lynching chang.

And that's all so that Lea can fake be Flavor Cop. And that's decided Insanely early in the game state before scum knows town has an alternating Cop already.

changmas posted...

i went over that earlier. would have required corrik to scan red and find out he's an unethical doctor. the leap to Dr. Nick for someone as knowledgeable about flavor as Lea here is not a large gambit

So they rolecop Red and see he's a Doctor of some kind and then proceed to Janitor Kirby blindly instead of the Doctor?

changmas posted...

If power is lying it's Lea. Extremely confident about this. JC and Red should never ever be lynched

what about Lea guessing reds flavor?

And we're absolutely SURE, that We don't want to humor Scum Mayor. And JC is playing the scum game of his life?

If you aren't scum. Who is lying of the power? Or is it just a guarantee in one of Sbell / Ben / Ulti ?

sounds like chang is just speaking out of both sides of his mouth.

I was on the news when I was in 2nd grade.

Does the timeline flow that scum couldnhave janitored a rolecopped Kirby and then Chang could have fake claimed BP.

If it's a power that lies and not Ben. Then what power could it be?

Lea was confirmed by knowing Reds flavor. Could be a lucky guess.

JC is a confirmed Mayor that lynched Scum. Could be a scum mayor gambit to win. But for Scum Mayor to exist that would mean its Scums extra kill. and the poison/janitor/strongman were all just modifiers. this explains non use of poison since it just delays their only nightly kill.

Chang just claims BP and only has his play to defend him.

Red is more or less confirmed vig and doctor, circumstantiallly.

Who am I missing?

OR they just never got their chance to poison. Saved it for a special end game shenanigans win and truly didn't think Death would be lynched over me.

And arguing the poison now is just scums way of misdirecting the end of the game.

so they poisoned night 1 and red still prevented it?

I ask cause you said Lea and Ben were trying to pull something last night

how many scum in your working theory chang? 4 or 5?

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changmas posted...

Like lets say red healed someone else on night 1 and Lea got poisoned. Lea announces on day 2 shes poisoned. Theres absolutely nothing in reds role text to suggest he has an opportunity to heal her and save her the following night. So in that scenario theres no way he goes and heals her because everything known about the game suggests it would be a complete waste.

and so its just this massively hidden mechanic of regular doctor healing poison instantly that everyone apparently believes is obviously what happened?

because apparently thats more likely than anyone ever trying to kill the LOWLY changmas who is so irrelevant that no one would ever DREAM of removing him from the game

but it makes more sense that a BULLETproof is immune to poison?

Chang comes across as seriously irritated that Sbell who he dearly wanted to lynch is alive, all but confirmed and now he is on the other end of the lynch stick.

changmas posted...

oh goody, SBell is lecturing me on how game mechanics work with authority now

Whats even the point of having a poison extra kill when the regular doctor can heal it for free the following night with no indication that thats possible for either party?

I'm not lecturing. giving you alternate ways to posture

UltimaterializerX posted...

SBell and I are both cleared. Scum cannot win in a final 3 leaving us both alive unless he decides to be dumb again.

rereading death from topic 3. I can't get to ulti as scum.

changmas posted...

maybe Ctes got mad and wanted revenge

that's never a thing.

changmas posted...

game mechanics wise i think its strange that Lea would have been poisoned and never notified about it. I think every time Ive ever seen poison in a game with a healer that can heal it, its always been the poison heal happening on the following day. so Im not sure about getting poisoned and getting healed in the same night by a doctor we dont even know can heal poison. Thats not to say its impossible for the game mechanics to work this way, but it feels a bit off to me

if you are poisoned you are notified, sure. but if the doc save happens simultaneously I'd say it's more like a preventing you from ever getting poisoned. So no notification.

changmas posted...

for whatever it's worth, i still don't understand why lopen and kirby were day 1 and day 2 kills. so why not me? doesn't seem any worse than killing the two of them on the first couple days

this feels like a stretch to make yourself seem important.

Lopen was obvious town and based on who has flipped scum I'm not surprised he's their first shot.
I think it makes the most sense they rolecoped Kirby night 1 and then followed up with the janitor. They had the ability to find a role, and then prevent us from knowing what it was. There was reason and logic behind it.

Out of the blue poisoning Chang? That's less likely a scenario based on what we know.

changmas posted...

DEFINITELY KILL SBELL OVER ULTI EVERY TIME.

nope.

Chaeix posted...

are there any notable common powers that are missing?

roleblocker?

Enchantress posted...

Red, Lea, JC - flawless town

7 alive
Lynch Chang, Red dies.

5 alive
Lynch Ben, I die

JC, Sbell, Ulti = it's Ulti.

Don't be mad at me Ulti, from your perspective I'm sure this final 3 unpossible.

Chang is option one because he played like a godfather.

Ben is option 2 because I want the Hans Moleman Bart theory to be real.

Ulti is option 3 because he had to kill Wallz to avoid being trapped, and Sbell took his lumps in the crucible like true town.

Ulti knows I lynch him in final 3. Not sure that's his best play

UltimaterializerX posted...

Assuming he shot FD and scum shot Wall, I'm actually really surprised. I thought Red would shoot Wall, because SBell asked him to.

but I reiterated I was just frustrated with wall and I just want to equate it to him being scum. I pushed muktiple times that red should shoot a vanilla since we were playing the nilla game.

Chaeix posted...

yeah i was hoping wallz would make it through the night to confirm ulti. but scum could just be trying to get us to lynch ulti by doing it idk.

weird move.

anyways yay glad i chose death.

Yeah, it wouldn't be hard to turn to ulti now that he's untracked.

Anyway, thanks JC.

##unvote

...slowin

I think its obvious that Red shot FD.

Lea. AND Ben?

working theory of 5 scum?

##vote: chang

giddyup

Enchantress posted...

But I've had one of my trademark changs of heart. Let's sacrifice him to our God.

fixed

PunishedBen posted...

So it is Sbell huh?

what does this mean? It's not me at all. I just lynched Homer Simpson who apparently I had to be. We just killed scumed and disproved a theory.

I don't understand the wallz kill. Why would scum kill someone still on a questionable theory list.

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Chaeix posted...

wallz

sbell remind me why you didn't join in on ctes/corrik action d1 and stayed on ulti when it was clear he wasn't going to be lynched?

I chose my path.

didn't agree with individual people on the lynches. had no reasons of my own to want to lynch them.

Chaeix posted...

i'm gonna smoke a bowl, reread a bit of d1, and then make a decision

may god help us all

I'm ok with this.

UltimaterializerX posted...

I have so many better things (and people) to do tonight.

more lies.

Chaeix posted...

Here's my summary of each of the non-confirmed or non-scanned:

chang - I thought he was town and continue to think he's town for the time being. BP claim is a bit sus but inclined to give benefit of the doubt for now.

death - I never have a good read on Death's game. He's very good at being consistent regardless of alignment. Mildly suspicious claim.

SBell - I haven't really seen much fire from SBell this game, but he was never really in the spotlight and others were pushing lynches harder. I sympathize with his position because if he is in fact town, he's being lynched almost purely for flavour reasons, which doesn't feel great. But at the same time, I can't say it doesn't fit. Peter Griffin as scum would recognize there was a flavour cop and realize they're some kind of flavour miller, albeit a bad one. But if he's godfather, then he baits a cop scan to confirm his town-ness. He's not a simpson after all. But a flavour miller that doesn't actually scan as totally town is kinda shit, and makes me not like this theory.

wallz - I'm less impressed by wallz' 'meh' vote at the end of D1 to secure ctes' lynch over Corrik given they were both scum and so far we haven't found the scum on the ctes/corrik lynch, unless we're just a pro town. and i still just don't know how to evaluate his role, he's certainly a single-use neighbor and i don't see why scum would add the extra full-game track detail. i also don't think it would be a good idea for scum wallz with the extended track to focus on ulti if he knew ulti was town. scum wallz fullgame tracking ulti doesn't make sense to me.

FD - FD started to contribute significantly more once he could start plugging details into his spreadsheets. He has been very focused on gamesolving and I haven't been late enough into a game with FD to know the balance between artificial gamesolving and genuine scumhunting. FD's particular brand as scumhunting this game strikes me as the kind of game scum would play, focusing entirely on the role meta. I have admitted prior that I don't think he gets as annoyed with me as he did if he was scum.

where this leaves me, idk, but food for thought for others

well it needs to leave you somewhere. you have a deciding vote to make.

right, I remember that...

thanks. I feel the love.

Hey JC. stoner to stoner, come on bud.