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If Camille was such a person I think the legal world would benefit from more like her. But maybe I'm just being biased to people who smell BS and let the other person know, hey that's BS there and it keeps leaking from your mouth and we all see it.

It's a unique scenario of Depp needing to prove defemation without a reasonable doubt and AH going the other extreme of proving how little credibility she has to make such defaming accusations to begin with. You would be hard pressed to find a similar verdict years ago today and in the future, because of the circumstances. So again, no there is no precedent set here for victims of dv/sv.

"Plenty of lawyers". Who are these lawyers?

ChaosTonyV4 posted...

cause any verifiable damages, he can sue her.

Can he prove it, is he willing to? Maybe he really is an abuser, let's hear her story and decide then. And yes your fears based on the culture surrounding the backlash towards this narcissistic individual is totally unfounded and akin to gaslighting.

ChaosTonyV4 posted...

theres good reason to be worried about other victims of abuse who are probably going to get sued and will become the next spectator sport or whatever, our culture is not healthy, my dudes.

Concern about them getting sued and team AH propagating that future victims are now afraid of coming forward without proof. You really should work for AH with your talking points here.

ChaosTonyV4 posted...

Her self-aggrandizing wasnt the question, it was whether she defamed him by calling herself a victim of abuse without having proof.

They go hand in hand my guy. Same with her trading charity lies for clout. She was believed less for proving her true character to the jury which sealed the defamation verdict. So no, she isn't the poster child of victims not coming forward as you claim.

ChaosTonyV4 posted...

so and so abused me, they are going to lose if he they cant prove it

If they go out of their way to:
1) provide evidence and narratives that can't be verified
2) take very little to no accountability for unusual behavior and actions raised
3) downplay their own abusive behavior and malice

then yeah, I'd say they'd have a pretty hard time convincing others that they are victims of dv/sv. Again this was a case of someone caught weaponizing the plight of others for their own self aggrandizement. It's not a devastating blow for real victims seeking justice that you claim, that's just insulting to even insinuate.

LinkMarioSamus posted...

Anyway, good to see Heard is a Donald Trump-level bad sport. Slightly amusing to see how both genders are equally capable of this crap considering how many use these behaviors to slam the opposite sex.

Best take right here. Narcissistic villains taking advantage of others need to be called out no matter the gender or socio political narrative they grift with.

ChaosTonyV4 posted...

its all a conspiracy by Heards lawyers

It's all *gaslighting by Heard's lawyers. And you're falling for it, or deciding to spread it because why the hell not. What are facts and evidence, right?

ChaosTonyV4 posted...

Its like that MAGA guy who was filmed at January 6th yelling at the police you have to stop this, this is insane! This is the Capitol!

Like he was (presumably) at the Stop the Steal rally because he believed in the cause, but when the people around him went crazy he was like yo this is nuts! He wanted the same thing as those people breaking in, but he got really embarrassed by them and could imagine its not going to end well.

Ok, media backlash of a serial liar and narcissist getting bodied is now compared to domestic terrorists. Is this the canary in the coalmine analogy you really want to put out there?

ChaosTonyV4 posted...

one bad woman who lost her court case

If only AH left it at that. That's why it's abnormal, aka weird. She continues to defy the verdict but at the same time only giving it more credence with lies and narrative twists, setting herself up for more potential problems.

When someone, who supposedly speaks for victims as an arbitor of truth, is called out consistently for lying so many times it becomes a joke, you get the usual social media shit storm turned up to 11.

A serial liar and narcissist did this to herself, not a victim of abuse. This is not a setback for women or victims of abuse. Quit floating that narrative.

ChaosTonyV4 posted...

Yes because its weird as hell

Its not something I'd personally do for a side job, but given the amount of celebrity news gossip and tragedy coverage since the inception of entertainment media, you still find this sort of thing weird? Even when he was personally wrapped up in it? Okay. Again, not something I'd do, but also not out of the ordinary and certainly not a hill I'd go for. Especially if its some wayward defense of someone as vitriolic as AH. That'd be weird.

Juror: we followed the evidence and didn't buy the into the bad acting.

AH and team: fuck fuck fuckety fuck

I laughed when AH was like "but this was like a credibility contest where I'm being judged!" and Samantha is all "that's literally what this trial was. It happened. You just experienced it and your credibility was found to be lacking". I've never seen someone crash and burn only to rise like some extra crispy phoenix eager to do it all over again. It's insane.

Obligatory reminder of how fake this crazy person is:
https://youtu.be/tcukzJOwRmc

"I don't blame the jury, I just think they are really gullible and that's why they weren't able to buy my lies, they were just starstruck and not thinking straight." Just go far away, raise your kid happy and not this bitter person you are presenting to the world.

I just know that when someone shows a bit of deceit or manipulation, believe them in their intent to gaslight. Congratulations to Heard on her performance of a lifetime.

StealThisSheen posted...

Good lord, I just saw this. What.

There's also one where she's smirking and giggling and rolling her eyes while her own lawyer is up describing the supposedly absolutely horrific life changing beating that she took.

There's been so much talk about how "no victim of dv or sv is perfect" when at every turn she's been trying to portray being the perfect victim to garner sympathy from real victims. Its disgusting. This trial has been labeled as the downfall of metoo or a rollback on womens rights, but I argue it should be seen how a serial narcissist was exposed for grifting off the suffrage of others.

Thats why its so hard for me to take her supporters and certain columnists seriously because the grift here is real and they've either been taken for a ride or they are the ones driving this clownshow. Either way supporting this monster has caused more harm than they would care to admit. Like set better standards for your message and drop toxic spokespersons. Thats absolutely fine, its much easier to recover, but not so much when you help the problem.

There's that clip going around with Heard taking notes but her pen hovering just enough to not actually be writing anything down, like a videogame npc in the background, her lawyer looking at it going "wtf is she doing?". Yeah she's a narcissist and putting on a show. To hell with her fake performance, fake defense, fake support.

Great how Amber undercut her whole defense and threw it out the window while her counter claim shriveled up and died on the spot.

Pretty gross how her lawyer basically insinuated that everyday working people would purger themselves for "15 minutes of fame".

This was an interesting trial to watch and an example of what it looks like to have your shit together or what it looks like trying to defend the indefensible.

Yeah the video leak in all likelihood is fucking Amber herself and that's likely a contract in itself that she can provide them some shit to stir the pot and they keep her out of it.

I liked when Marks testified before, he was long winded but always had some interesting tangent. It looked like Amber was writing or drawing something real violent while he was testifying today, lmao.

Just an awful person. Narcissistic grifting trolls should never have political power or be a spokesperson for victims of dv or sv.

Yeah, she should have clarified that donation was based on increments that the ACLU could attest to. The 13 month stagnation period and then "uh oh, Johnny's suing me, shucks" defense she put out for the jury was not a smart play for her, because it made her look shady and/or inept. And "pledge vs. donate is same thing" is insulting to the jury and contributes to her ineptness and narcissistic character.

Even though I said I've seen enough, this trial still has me clicking on clips/tiktok mashups. I love Dennison's cross exam with Schnell, the way he built up to "yeah, these 3 hashtags are negative to AH and none are related to her team's main dispute against Walden's comments...but how bout that sweet Justice for Johnny, eh?"

Complete bullshit to blame the turd on the dog eating too much hash. I'm glad they didn't bother wasting the court's time bringing in an expert to set that straight though...just let it hang there as the complete bullshit it is.

And is it just me or does Adam Walden, the tone of his voice, sound ALOT like ThatUmbrellaGuy? I couldn't find this opinion anywhere else, it just sounds like the same voice with a southern twang to it.

All of the defense has been largely video depositions of former friends and acquaintances who for whatever reason grew apart from AH. And for the most part they end up supporting Depp or weren't even necessary in the first place. I think the jury and judge can see they are waffling and wasting everyone's time at this point. I've seen enough.

Hopefully Jury checked out with AH and are just riding out the trial. I don't think there's anything else here compelling or compatible with her story, just the continued narrative of "believe AH, Johnny bad guy".

She fucked around and found out. Her narcissism got the better of her.

Yeah if I was on the jury I could easily look through her testimony and plug "donate and pledge are synonymous" into any one of her claims as her wanting things both ways and come to the conclusion that she is manipulative and full of shit.

Time for Heard to fire another PR team.

Yeah, agreed. Elaine just seems incompetent on a general basis, but them having to deal with Amber's bull during their workshopping and outside correspondences must be especially difficult to build a case with.

PrivateBiscuit1 posted...

I looked up a bit more to this--Samantha McMillan was Amber's personal stylist who maintains Amber never had any marks and at the James Corden Show she came backstage and said to her "Can you believe I just did this with two black eyes?" And she says she did not have black eyes or any other marks.

I think the one who is supposed to testify was a make-up artist at the James Corden Show.

That completely goes against Samantha's testimony who was more in contact with her throughout the day.

PrivateBiscuit1 posted...

Literally the first witness they have who may be in her favor now

Is that Samantha McMillan? I thought she testified previously and said she wasn't wearing makeup all that day before going on the Corden show. Didn't see cuts or bruises either.

Her then vs now, interesting:
https://youtu.be/EcImRj6qVLY

Yeah, whoever the jury does end up believing there's no denying that Heard's team boned the narrative she wanted to deliver to the public court. So much so that she fired her PR team for headlines she wasn't liking, which is bonkers in of itself.

I think they were a bad match, a substance abuser and a narcissist. Should not have come to this. But her team fumbling her defense, lack of witnesses and evidence to corroborate some of her incredible allegations, it's just not a good look. If the checks you are handing me keep bouncing back then we have problems.