Lurker > NoMeLx22x

You make it sound like they're equivalent offenses.

"I condemn the people protesting being beaten with pole. But I also protest breaking a window that harmed no one. See? Everyone's bad. I can do this all day."

You're not visibly making any distinction between the scope and scale of the events you're denouncing, and that feels like it should be a lot more important in this discourse, to make those distinctions explicitly clear.

Oh, I only watched like 5 seconds of it and immediately made my assumption.

And no, we didn't get passes. We just went onto the next ride that was essentially something that picks you up and flings you around like a stupid little insect until you vomit out your ass.

Also also:
Watching the video and I'm dumb. I meant Mr. Freeze here in St. Louis, but yeah that still looks a SMIDGE different, as this launches you out, you go up a hill and then to the top which launches you back down in reverse.

Oh, that's just the Superman here at Six Flags. Yeah, I mean, it's fun. I remember one time I went with a couple friends and it "blew up" as we were next in line. Took off and made a loud noise and was smoking and guess the magnets at the top didn't shoo it back down so it was just slowly dipping between the valley. One of my friends was so scared and saying we could get lifetime park passes for being traumatized for it. lol

Honestly, it's her job to do that as Speaker. For reference, she doesn't agree with any of the Squad members either, but I remember her endorsing them when she last had the gavel.

Yeah, no. If you believe this, then you are simply so far left that it has skewed your perspective.

Apparently that's how it escalated. Career protestors that have been at nearly every major protest in the past decade. Narrative isn't just "students jailed for protest", no that changed and is why the message isn't focused where it should.

Where was I disingenuous? Of the protestors who were arrested like half were outsiders. Is it possible some students were caught in the same crowd and didn't provoke violently? Apparently some were, but the unrest I blame entirely on those career protestors.

"Now watch us career protestors do stupid stuff that put us in jail", which unfortunately the media ends up focusing on instead. So yeah, I think the student message was lost once the police ended up arresting what was it like half (?) of them not even being students. That became the story.

I'm not sure what you mean by this, his admin would be the one enacting and enforcing the sanctions. They would likely support it.

This is just common sense so many people can't grasp these days. The woman's ward of the hospital is for biological women. The men's ward is for biological males. Simple.

BOOM!!! Battlelines have been drawn by one word...

Joe is sticking by Israel...

Now what will the protestors do?!?

Wasn't there a conspiracy that JFK was actually alive, had merely staged his own assassination, and would return to America to run as Trump's VP. Didn't a bunch of people actually go to Texas, because they thought Kennedy would be showing back up?

Just pathetic.

People don't realize that their rhetoric and responses affects people.

People express how they are feeling worried by what they see as growing anti-semitic sentiment, including sharing space with some of these protesters, including many instances of actual anti-semitic rhetoric and threats.

it is written off as "pointless drivel"

People wonder why people are getting the wrong idea, and say "are they stupid that they can't figure out what the protests mean?"

But yet they don't mind shouting people down and dismissing them and then wonder why people worry.

I really don't understand countries bullying each other over immigration. It's entirely up to the population as to how many people they want to let in, if any. Immigration is neither inherently good or bad. It's ultimately a tool.

Extremely positive on the students

Extremely negative on how mainstream media is portraying the students

Can you explain then, why people insist on chanting the phrase that is used this way by Hamas, and not any other slogan in the world? Like ok, sure, that is what it means, but if there is this confusion, why are they insisting on this phrase defiantly?

I think the general meaning is that Palestinians are fighting for the day they can move freely and have agency from the river to the sea. This phrase is not a call for genocide, and to believe that it is says more about you than the people chanting the phrase.

Wow conspiracy much? Go back to Reddit.

Will you take a time machine and go back to the Civil Rights movement to tell then that.

Or how about the Industrial Revolution? Were they wrong as well?

@NoMeLx22x
Your argument is basically demonstrating you don't know how to protest effectively to begin with. You are misconstrueding "Hey, how about not destroying property so the protest doesn't draw in the wrong attention like you know, the authorities. For you to then act surprised destroying of property tends to bring in the authorities to forcefully stop it" to....... "all protests are bad."

All they are doing by storming the building and breaking property is providing low hanging fruit for Newsmax, Fox and the likes to point at them every time Jan6ers are brought up.

What you are protesting becomes background noise, because to no surprise the new topic of discussion becomes about the obvious of the authorities being called to shut it down and violent protestors not cooperating.

The message of the protest gets lost tends to resonate with those who already supported it. You also may not like hearing this, it also hurts those support your cause.

Storming a building and breaking property is not shining move to do.

All its doing is asking for the authorities to get involved, and providing low hanging fruit for those to vilify your entire cause.

It's also insane to act surprised when the authorities get involved, after you start damaging property or storming into property you were told to leave.

Condemnation of how these people are deciding to shoot themselves in the foot in what they call protesting =/= all protesting is bad.

"why can't these people protest quietly so we can ignore it and go about our business?" ~ everyone who doesn't understand protesting

If you're an activist who aims to persuade others and spread your message, you absolutely should control your speech and listen to criticisms.

Israel tends to use the phrase as well if I remember correctly. Israeli anti-Semitic claims about the word, in an attempt to silence people,hasn't made the whole situation any better

Peaceful protests on public property are protected by the first amendment, but if you start hurting peope or breaking into other people's property your doing things wrong.

I'm talking about basically all this history, and the formation of Isreal: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_Nations_Partition_Plan_for_Palestine

The US under Hoover thought we should be meddling in the middle east because Hoover was a moron, but nobody ever argued the point so we still do it to this day. The end of WWII signal led us becoming the world police, another deal that was bad for us, so that's what we have done to this day. So what you end up with is America fucked with the Palestine / Isreal stuff because it's always been our fault from the moment we began meddling. As far as I'm concerned opinionated students can mind their own fucking business or get a life, we are too heavily entrenched now as the world police to have any say on how we divorce ourselves from the middle east entirely. If people happen to be Muslim or Jewish or have some connection to those countries I can sympathize, and I wish we could get out of the mess but we can't. It's the long version of the War on Terror.

Arcanine you can consider this my rebuttal to your argument as well. Israel is a pro-slavery dictatorship and Hamas is a terrorist organization claiming they are helping misplaced Jews claim back their holy land. I don't see much good on either side, but indeed there are thousands of victims.

Oh they get heard, but breaking into buildings to shut down colleges to demand said colleges break ties with Jewish pepole, while not quite reaching a Kristallnacht level yet, having so many fanatically demanding Jewish ties be broken is starting to leave a very hostile impression .

We have an ancient pact with Israel that we have to honor,

https://www.washingtonpost.com/education/2024/04/30/columbia-university-protests-palestine-news/

Well...this won't end well...but seriously...do they really think raiding a college building is going to cause American policy on Israel to change?

Its getting out-there that there is more protest for Gaza then the Iraq war...its getting kind of fanatical at this point and raiding random buildings to demand any random person stops funding Israel is getting...next level something or another.

i dont disagree with most of this, but are you implying meek mill won his beef with drake? Think what you want about drake but meek mill got thrashed in that one

The right to peaceful protest is literally a cornerstone of this countrys foundation and any politician decrying it is an enemy regardless of political affiliation.

He's criticizing a specific part of the protest. He's not saying protesting is bad.

I said what I said. It's probably a bad idea to break into a building in the name of the protest because it makes it seem forceful and rowdy, whether it's true or not.

I mean, he's right. Probably a bad move to break windows and force themselves into the building

Larry Hogan.

The left don't have the stones to do anything. They'll just have a pout about it. The right tend to be lacking a lot upstairs but they're at least packing downstairs. They may be totally wrong about something but by God they'll do something. The left won't even bother going to the polls if the guy they wanted didn't end up on the ballot.

Not necessarily itt but yea there are people in this movement that are definitely in support of hamas. I dont know why we need to deny that.