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So uh, Vivi came with a Pumice Piece and casts Doomsday. Maybe it does something to the moon but keeps the shadow damage so he absorbs it? I guess that's how he wins this?

Whatever, I didn't need those losers anyway. Vivi SOLOS.

Let's do this in the right topic this time

Liquid is going undercover as Eunie's mentor today. Whoever that is.
Done

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Oh right, better do this before I forget

Liquid trades in his old Metal Gear for a brand new jeep

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Another thing I forgot to mention is that Batman isn't the only guy here who can teleport. So can Zeratul. So we have an invisible guy with teleports who can read minds. How does he not catch Batman when he teleports in?

KanzarisKelshen posted...

Uhh, up to interp? I would certainly assume so, provided no one else was hitching a ride or could perceive them. It's why I don't put that much stock into the elevator ambush. Batman can detective mode on the elevator, go 'oh, they're waiting down below huh' and situate himself while the others come down via the elevator and ambush opponents really hard.

My team is at the top of the elevator, not the bottom. And that elevator is the only way into the room where my team is, unless the other team wants to wander around a low visibility snowfield for a path that they have no idea exists.

Is that autonomous? Because it says "Select Batmobile Remote" right there on screen. If Batman needs to use a remote to make it do that, then it's not truly autonomous.

It seems like things like that small staircase near the beginning of the video causes it some trouble while it's boosting. I don't think it's going to end well if it tries to go offroad in rocky terrain, especially if visibility is as low as it was in MGS4.

Kamekguy posted...

So question on visualizing the terrain.

Can the Batmobile not go down the really long pathway that leads to the harbor where the Rex Vs Ray fight is? That's in the same general direction as the snowfield iirc and doesn't require going all the way through a huge military installation? Plus Batman teleporting ahead and guiding the Batmobile to his location with Mega Man riding it.

Like if I'm wrong I get it, but I figure that actually gets Rock in a position to contribute past corpse sneak attack?

It's a rather rocky terrain if you try to go outside of the area Snake went. I don't think the Batmobile has shown any good ATV feats in the Arkham games, so it won't fare too well around here (plus it might even get stuck in the snow)

Not Arkham games so not valid. (Plus the guys on my team are way better than some randos from Gotham)

This is what I'm talking about. Snake rides that platform up to my team's starting area:

https://youtu.be/ihfZpptwsO0?t=1348

It's less of an elevator and more of a platform that rises up. It's slow, and there's no room to hide. While it's rising, there's the opening at the top, and then four walls around the platform.

Eddv posted...

But at what distance?

It should be enough to cover a room. All I can find about distance is that Protoss need psychic boosters to telepathically communicate through a whole ship. But if Batman's close enough to scout them, he should be much closer than that.

MajinZidane posted...

And Batman knows that Zeratul has telepathy, and all other major details about him. Thank you, Jim Raynor.

So is Batman just going to turn off his brain when he teleports in? Protoss are natural mind readers. If Batman's there, Zeratul will know. There's also this cool line about the Protoss that I found on the Starcraft wiki:

Protoss have been described as "devastatingly intelligent", and their thought processes work very differently than those of terrans.[67] They are able to contemplate multiple scenarioes and run through many different lines of thoughts and memories in the span of a second.

MajinZidane posted...

Hey man I dont write the rules.

Unlike a mercenarys Writeup, which merely provides a general outline of a mercenarys capabilities and does not explicitly make clear what they will do in battle, abilities impose specific, concrete effects upon the days battle. Abilities are, by and large, not up for debate. For example, if an ability states an opponent will be frozen solid for the first 30 seconds of the match, then that effect is sacrosanct even if the targeted teams leader had a mercenary with a flamethrower, they could not argue that the ice could be melted ahead of schedule, as the effects is an ironclad rule imposed upon the match. Assume Mercenaries magic is responsible for it and roll with it instead

its magic. Ironclad. Not up for debate.

Yes, just like it's magic that he can't be revived in any way. So it'll be like FFD said with a corpse poofing behind my team.

Eddv posted...

For mewtwo: what extrasensory abils do you have that would make "Batman making a plan by teleporting around to scout and plan an ambush" not work.

Zeratul has telepathy. He can sense if Batman showed up.

So you're saying the Batmobile is going to drive through ruins of a military base in under 5 minutes? The Batmobile is good, but there just isn't the clearance here for the Batmobile to do that.

MajinZidane posted...

It doesn't rag doll. He attacks. Automatically. It's in bold.

It's also in bold that he can't revive in any way, shape or form. Why does that bold count but the other bold doesn't?

Mewtwo59 posted...

I mean, Liquid can kill her faster than anyone thanks to his weaponry.

Like this is what she'd be getting shot with:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/30_mm_caliber#/media/File:30mmvs556nato.jpg

trdl23 posted...

I mean... I think the only one who would go "kill on sight" at a little girl being there would be Liquid? Maybe Maria.

I mean, Liquid can kill her faster than anyone thanks to his weaponry.

Yes, Mega Man can make a sneak attack. But since the same bold says that he's unable to be revived in any way, shape or form, it'll be his corpse making that sneak attack. Not going to accomplish much when he's dead.

Rika isn't surviving too long into the actual fight. I don't know how much information she can give when she only has a few seconds of insight into the battle.

If Leon and Jiryu are fighting Cloud, then that leaves REX, Zeratul, Vivi, and Lady Maria to deal with Batman. He's not beating them 1 v 4.

Eddv posted...

So Mega Man can launch this incredible ambush and batman can teleport to support it since everyone factors the time to live into their plans?

On Shadow Moses, king of the stealth mission terrains?

Fuck me this is spicy.

Mega Man doesn't get his ambush off if his team lives longer than 5 minutes. Which is going to happen since they won't even meet before 5 minutes.

It's another Shadow Moses Island match. Huge terrain with multiple elevators that take minutes to ride up. Mega Man is long dead before the teams meet up.

So that leaves a 5 v 4, really a 5 v 3 since Rika is useless in a fight. Batman has his warp, but going 1 v 5 (really a 1 v 6 with Bahamut's help) against my team is a pretty bad idea.

The other neat thing about this terrain is that the only way up into the room that my team starts in is a slow elevator that gradually raises up to the floor of the room. It's a great place to get hit by REX's weaponry as well as Vivi and Cloud's spells. And before you ask "Why don't they leave to try to meet up with the other team?", REX is TOO BIG to get through the door on the lower level, so might as well camp the starting room than run around down a teammate.

Even if someone survives the murder hole at the start, the next thing they have to deal with is Zeratul. He's invisible, so he can get the jump on someone when the platform gets to the top. Rika isn't surviving the murder hole, so she's totally unaware of his existance no matter how many loops she has. The elevator is the only way up, so they can spend time looking for another way, but it doesn't exist.

If that wasn't enough, REX is a toughie to take down. Snake had to fire multiple rockets at its radome (that circle thing on the left shoulder) to down REX's sensors so Liquid had to open the cockpit and make himself vulnerable. The rest of REX's body was completely resistant to all of Snake's weaponry. Jiryu and Leon have worse weaponry here than Snake did. Batman's best gadget here is probably the remote hacking device, but that requires him to sit there and fiddle with it for a bit, leaving him open. The Batmobile doesn't help, since there's no way Batman would be able to get that thing in here. Without the Batmobile, the other team just doesn't have the firepower to down REX.

TL;DR: Mega Man is dead, we have the numbers advantage, there's only one way in to our starting room that's easy to camp, Zeratul is killing one person before they realize he's there, and the other team just doesn't have the firepower to take out REX.

Team Samus

Zagreus's ability is just a killer with such small team sizes.

Didn't Heihachi die at the end of 7? Though it's not like death has stopped Tekken characters from coming back before.

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Okay, I dug out my old copy of Chrono Trigger to get to the bottom of this, and I can confirm that it's 15/15/3 with no MP cost reducing accessories.

I got curious, so I looked up a video. It turns out the wiki is wrong. Lifeline only costs 4 MP on Crono.

https://youtu.be/Gs3jiU63X4g?t=500

I'm not buying the Gravity Gun working on anyone here. Gordon needed the Super Gravity Gun to have it work on humans, and it didn't work on the bigger mechanical enemies either. If Kuriboh was a robot, I'd buy it working on him, but that's it.

Oh yeah, you're right. That's odd, since most of the time it's just the cost of the tech that they're using.

Lopen posted...

Lifeline costs Crono more than what Raise costs him (10 for the record)

If anything evidence would suggest that the MP cost rounds up to Samarecarm since Crono pays Arise MP Cost when he uses Lifeline. But realistically I think just giving him the cost of 15 as seen in lifeline is fair.

Yeah, but Crono isn't using Life in Lifeline. He's using Cyclone. Marle is the only one using a life spell in that one (Life 2/Raise).

Kamekguy posted...

With the sheer amount of revives on the enemy team (Eunie's Ouroboros form having a GROUP revive in addition to the known Crono and Aigis ones), I do think this is likely to go off.

Doesn't Eunie's group revive automatically force the interlink into cooldown? If it does, that's the last thing she's going to want to do, since no interlink = no damage sponge.

It's going to cost Crono whatever Life costs him. Same with Aigis and Samarecarm, which is probably the bigger issue since that's expensive and I don't think Aigis has a big SP pool.

Chaeix posted...

If thats the feat vid that I linked (which doesnt show the start and end of the transformation) its at least 5:40 long

That wasn't in either of those videos, but Eunie and Taion stayed interlinked for around that time, though they were lying on the ground helpless for around half of that time. The other two pairs did more and hit their limit well before that. Noah and Mio were the most active of the three, and they lasted around 2:30 (assuming they transformed right before the cutscene started). I buy that they probably last around 2 minutes if they're taking the majority of the heat (and no, they aren't going to suicide themselves in an annihilation event. Even if I thought they'd be willing to, this place is small enough that it kills everyone and it ends in a draw.)

Gonna go back and watch the N fight cutscene from Xenoblade 3 again. Just want to see how long Eunie can keep the Ouroboros form while she's getting beat on.

BlueCrystalTear posted...

Not sure if Carolyn got the real and fake idol mixed up or production actually switched 'em. If the beads are fake on one side and the coin is the fake on another, it's meant to confuse players. So whoever finds Danny's coin will think theirs is legit based on what Carolyn played.

Not that this will inevitably happen since Carolyn might be playing her idol tonight but we'll see. She's an entertaining hot mess and I am here for it.

I saw a clip on the subreddit of Danny finding the idol, and it looks like his idol is some sort of pendant. So Carolyn is a mess, but she does know what her real idol is.

Did you already have it downloaded? Looks like it works fine, but Google Play won't even let you on the store page to buy it if you're on Android 13.

UshiromiyaEva posted...

I have the most up to date version of Android and it's on there working just fine, so no idea why you'd be seeing this message.

I just checked and i have the same issue. I'm on the most recent version of Android 13.

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