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Laserion posted...

VectorChaos posted...

How long until a person pees on one and gets arrested?

Bring it in a bottle.

Dumping biological waste on a sidewalk is also against the law
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shockthemonkey posted...

Mal_Fet posted...

shockthemonkey posted...

Mal_Fet posted...

shockthemonkey posted...

Mal_Fet posted...

shockthemonkey posted...

Quick, lets focus in on one detail in order to ignore the insanity youre proposing

You mean the only concrete detail she's given to make the story credible? You want us to ignore that?

Ok, let's ignore that like you're also ignoring how she still hasn't given a time, place or date for her story, and how Feinstein didn't believe her letter either until it was politically advantageous to.

So shes trivializing her own sexual assault in your opinion?

If she's lying then yeah she would be.

And he ducks the question again!

How could I categorically say whether she is trivializing her sexual assault if we don't know that it happened in the first place

Try reading the question to the end

Whether or not something happened isn't a matter of opinion, it's a matter of fact.

And since there have been no facts to prove one way or another if her story is fact or fiction, no one can say honestly if she's trivializing sexual assault.

Understand yet?
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Bio1590 posted...

Mal_Fet posted...

Bio1590 posted...

If it absolutely did not happen, then why will Mark Judge not unequivocally say so?

He did

https://www.nytimes.com/2018/09/14/us/politics/kavanaugh-assault-allegation-letter.html

The friend who is said to have participated, Mark Judge, also denied the episode ever happened.

I never saw anything like what was described, he said in an interview after being informed that he was named in the letter.

Anything else, Bio?

And yet in his letter to the Senate Judiciary Committee, he never outright denied that it occurred, just that he has "no memory", both of the incident and the party.

Goalpost status: shifted

How can he say for sure if he was or was not at a party when this happened if he doesn't know where or when this alleged party was
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shockthemonkey posted...

Mal_Fet posted...

shockthemonkey posted...

Mal_Fet posted...

shockthemonkey posted...

Quick, lets focus in on one detail in order to ignore the insanity youre proposing

You mean the only concrete detail she's given to make the story credible? You want us to ignore that?

Ok, let's ignore that like you're also ignoring how she still hasn't given a time, place or date for her story, and how Feinstein didn't believe her letter either until it was politically advantageous to.

So shes trivializing her own sexual assault in your opinion?

If she's lying then yeah she would be.

And he ducks the question again!

How could I categorically say whether she is trivializing her sexual assault if we don't know that it happened in the first place
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shockthemonkey posted...

Mal_Fet posted...

shockthemonkey posted...

Quick, lets focus in on one detail in order to ignore the insanity youre proposing

You mean the only concrete detail she's given to make the story credible? You want us to ignore that?

Ok, let's ignore that like you're also ignoring how she still hasn't given a time, place or date for her story, and how Feinstein didn't believe her letter either until it was politically advantageous to.

So shes trivializing her own sexual assault in your opinion?

If she's lying then yeah she would be.
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ImTheMacheteGuy posted...

And maybe there is a rational explanation for that and kavanugh still did it.

Ok, what is it

ImTheMacheteGuy posted...

You want that to be false though, with every fiber of your being. Why?

I don't want it to be false, but you need it to be true.

Do you believe everything you hear? Are you a proponent of Ancient Aliens too? Because if not, why do you accept this story even though it also has no supporting evidence?
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shockthemonkey posted...

Quick, lets focus in on one detail in order to ignore the insanity youre proposing

You mean the only concrete detail she's given to make the story credible? You want us to ignore that?

Ok, let's ignore that like you're also ignoring how she still hasn't given a time, place or date for her story, and how Feinstein didn't believe her letter either until it was politically advantageous to.
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shockthemonkey posted...

Mal_Fet posted...

Thinking a therapist would accidentally double the number of [people in the room] in a person's story is way crazier than you believe my skepticism is.

Anyway, why wouldn't Ford have gotten the therapist to correct the notes when she got them?

I dont know how the therapy notes work in regards to amending them. It doesnt make your insane theory sound less insane though.

If there were four other people in the room then why is she now saying that Judge was the only witness?
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CantKeepMeDown posted...

He refuses to go under oath and say it. Lying to in an interview is nothing.

Goalpost status: shifted
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SSJGrimReaper posted...

How did you guys feel about the Darth Maul cameo

It felt like an excuse for them to release more Darth Maul toys.
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Bio1590 posted...

If it absolutely did not happen, then why will Mark Judge not unequivocally say so?

He did

https://www.nytimes.com/2018/09/14/us/politics/kavanaugh-assault-allegation-letter.html

The friend who is said to have participated, Mark Judge, also denied the episode ever happened.

I never saw anything like what was described, he said in an interview after being informed that he was named in the letter.

Anything else, Bio?
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shockthemonkey posted...

Mal_Fet posted...

shockthemonkey posted...

Mal_Fet posted...

shockthemonkey posted...

Mal_Fet posted...

shockthemonkey posted...

I think her therapist writing down 4 instead of 2 is a minor detail

How would she mistake the number 2 for the number 4?

And now were supposed to believe that Mal has never accidentally written down something slightly different than what he meant to

Yeah, when I hear the number of men who attempted to rape someone it's really easy to accidentally double the number of people involved. Especially if it were my profession to accurately assess someone's issues.

Ok so your current theory is that the therapist writing 4 not 2 means that Ford is politicians and trivializing her own sexual assault because Kavanaughs mom was involved in the foreclosure of Fords parents house.

It's really funny watching you flounder when people point out that the best, and only, evidence that gives credit to the Kavanaugh accusation itself seems to disprove her story.

Here's another question: When Ford received the notes initially back in her therapy sessions, don't you think a crucial detail like the number of people who tried to rape her would be something to get the therapist to correct? You can answer that after you answer how a therapist writing down a single-digit number soon after hearing it firsthand isn't credible.

And here you are dodging how crazy your theory is again. Congrats!

Thinking a therapist would accidentally double the number of rapists in a person's story is way crazier than you believe my skepticism is.

Anyway, why wouldn't Ford have gotten the therapist to correct the notes when she got them?
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shockthemonkey posted...

Mal_Fet posted...

shockthemonkey posted...

Mal_Fet posted...

shockthemonkey posted...

I think her therapist writing down 4 instead of 2 is a minor detail

How would she mistake the number 2 for the number 4?

And now were supposed to believe that Mal has never accidentally written down something slightly different than what he meant to

Yeah, when I hear the number of men who attempted to rape someone it's really easy to accidentally double the number of people involved. Especially if it were my profession to accurately assess someone's issues.

Ok so your current theory is that the therapist writing 4 not 2 means that Ford is politicians and trivializing her own sexual assault because Kavanaughs mom was involved in the foreclosure of Fords parents house.

It's really funny watching you flounder when people point out that the best, and only, evidence that gives credit to the Kavanaugh accusation itself seems to disprove her story.

Here's another question: When Ford received the notes initially back in her therapy sessions, don't you think a crucial detail like the number of people who tried to rape her would be something to get the therapist to correct? You can answer that after you answer how a therapist writing down a single-digit number right after hearing it firsthand isn't credible.
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Smashingpmkns posted...

Mal_Fet posted...

Smashingpmkns posted...

Why her though? And did they give her the check in 2012?

Mal_Fet posted...

Except her story from 6 years ago is different than the story she's telling now.

So she made it up 6 years in advance knowing that this guy was going to get a Supreme Court seat? The foresight this lady has is astounding.

How are you not getting that her story now is different than what she told her therapist?
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Smashingpmkns posted...

Why her though? And did they give her the check in 2012?

Mal_Fet posted...

Except her story from 6 years ago is different than the story she's telling now.

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Also how is it a "minor issue" for you that the therapist might have written down a completely different single-digit number but not an issue for you at all that there's still no evidence that the accusation is true in the first place
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shockthemonkey posted...

Mal_Fet posted...

shockthemonkey posted...

I think her therapist writing down 4 instead of 2 is a minor detail

How would she mistake the number 2 for the number 4?

And now were supposed to believe that Mal has never accidentally written down something slightly different than what he meant to

Yeah, when I hear the number of men who attempted to rape someone it's really easy to accidentally double the number of people involved. Especially if it were my profession to accurately assess someone's issues.
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shockthemonkey posted...

I think her therapist writing down 4 instead of 2 is a minor detail

How would the therapist mistake the number 2 for the number 4?
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shockthemonkey posted...

Her therapist wrote down that there were 4 boys instead of 2 therefore shes trivializing her own sexual assault to get back at Kavanaugh because his mother was involved in the foreclosure of her parents house is currently Mals theory.

What do you think about the contradiction in her stories? Do you think she was lying in 2012?
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Same.

I don't get why people says it makes them sick. I'm sure it does, but it's never made me sick.
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Bio1590 posted...

Because you're operating under the assumption that it is 100% a lie she knowingly made up (6 years ago no less). To win any court case he's have to prove that with 100% certainty and he's never going to be able to do that.

Except her story from 6 years ago is different than the story she's telling now.

In 2012 she said there were four boys, and now she says there were two.
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Payzmaykr posted...

Bio1590 posted...

Payzmaykr posted...

This amounts to slander or libel or character assassination, or whatever, and since she cannot provide proof she will probably be sued by kavanaugh when this is over.

No, she won't be.

Ah. Case closed, then.

Seriously, care to shed light? False accusations made about a man who is up for nomination to a political office is a crime. Are you suggesting that unsubstantiated rape accusations should be believed without looking at both sides? If these accusations were against somebody like Cory Booker, you would look at the (lack of) evidence and come to the same conclusion that we have. You believe it because you want to believe it.

Unless he can prove that it uncategorically could not have happened, then he won't be able to sue her for anything.

For instance, when she finally names a date and location for when this supposedly happened, and Kavanaugh has a photograph with the same timestamp of him at Disneyland, then we would know she's lying and he could sue. But having that kind of conclusive evidence isn't terribly likely since the allegation is from 35 years ago. In all likelihood she won't be able to produce any evidence, the case will be dropped, and people will start taking it as seriously as all those Trump accusers who evaporated after a month.
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CantKeepMeDown posted...

ImTheMacheteGuy posted...

Mal had a topic about the kavanugh guy and accuser. It got locked lol, probably because Mal was saying silly stuff.

Maybe he locked it because he got butthurt that @Bio1590 called him on his past racist posts

I didn't lock it, you can't lock topics unless no one posts for a long time. Some mod got pissy over it, evidently.

And no Bio is full of shit.
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EnragedSlith posted...

Heres a more reasonable explanation:

Something occurred between the two of them 35 years ago that made her deeply uncomfortable. She chose not to pursue anything at that time because she wasnt sure how to process it or how it would be perceived. She chose to try to forget about it and move on with her life. Hearing about his potential ascension to the Supreme Court brought back suppressed memories. With perspective, she chose to say something.

I dont think its wrong to question the accusation at all, but to subject this woman to intense vitriol because she doesnt fit your narrative is disgusting. And the idea that shed sacrifice her reputation and put her life in jeopardy as a political move, particularly when she isnt involved in politics, is ridiculous.

It's not ridiculous to require evidence before believing something.
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shockthemonkey posted...

So do you believe she was sexually assaulted?

Don't know.

shockthemonkey posted...

And do you believe shes lying about Kavanaugh being responsible because of his mothers involvement in the foreclosure of her parents home?

That's one of many factors that makes her story suspicious.
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And now that they realized the Kavanaugh accusation is completely indefensible, they try to deflect by calling me racist.

Just lol.
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CantKeepMeDown posted...

Meanwhile you've learned from your cult leader that it doesn't matter if you lie, as long as your fan club is stupid enough to believe it. You HAVE learned that, right?

Projection
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Kazi1212 posted...

Did he literally say that or are you playing the typical CE game where we stretch the meaning of the words someone supposedly said in order to show how horrible they are? You can think a demographic of people is being used by a political party without being racist, I think a large portion of white America is being used by the Republican party and they will continue to vote Republican en masse, I dont think that makes me a racist though.

The usual suspects on here have learned from Democrat politicians that accusing people of being a racist is a good way to win an argument without having to put in any effort.

Too bad they're all wrong.
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shockthemonkey posted...

Imagine calling anyone elses accusations ridiculous after youve accused a person of trivializing their own sexual assault as a political ploy to get back at a man because his mother was involved in the foreclosure of that persons parents house.

This is why Mal wont answer my questions. His accusation is batshit crazy.

No, I'm just done entertaining you because you desperately want to shift the topic.

Do you remember why you asked the question in the first place? You had brought up her therapy notes as evidence for the Kavanaugh accusation, but now that I pointed out how her therapy notes contradict what she's saying now, suddenly you don't want to talk about it anymore. Who do you think you're fooling?
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ImTheMacheteGuy posted...

Says who?

Says me, the topic creator

If you want to speculate over Ford's history of being assaulted then make your own topic about it.
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Bio1590 posted...

We're talking about a person who has expressed on multiple occasions that black people will never stop voting Democrat en masse because they're too stupid to realize they're being "used".

^ How is accusing people of this kind of crap not moddable
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ImTheMacheteGuy posted...

Mal_Fet posted...

shockthemonkey posted...

Do you still believe she was sexually assaulted?

By Kavanaugh? I'm highly skeptical.

By anyone, ever? Maybe. It's irrelevant to the topic.

Ok, I'm done entertaining you now.

How is it irrelevant to the topic?

This is a topic about the Kavanaugh accusation, not about some other alleged attempted rape.
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CantKeepMeDown posted...

Kavanaugh has also perjured himself a few times already, so he's cool with lying under oath. This woman, however, is actually going to testify and be under oath for the first time.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.washingtonpost.com/amphtml/politics/2018/09/17/did-brett-kavanaugh-give-false-testimony-under-oath/

Three Pinocchios from WaPo
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shockthemonkey posted...

Its incredibly relevant to the topic. If you dont believe she was sexually assaulted at that party then you believe she made up a story to her therapist 6 years ago. Is that what you believe?

The story she told in her therapy session is different than the story she's telling now.

Do you believe the Kavanaugh accusation? Because if you do then you can't believe her story from 6 years ago. They're blatantly contradictory stories
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shockthemonkey posted...

Do you still believe she was sexually assaulted?

By Kavanaugh? I'm highly skeptical.

By anyone, ever? Maybe. It's irrelevant to the topic.

Ok, I'm done entertaining you now.
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shockthemonkey posted...

Yes, yes you did. You outright stated that you believed that she was sexually assaulted.

I said I had no reason to disbelieve it.

Not seeing how that's relevant to Kavanaugh though.

shockthemonkey posted...

You outright stated that you believed she was going after Kavanaugh due to his mothers involvement in the foreclosure of her parents house.

That's one of many suspicious elements to her story, yes.
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CantKeepMeDown posted...

Mal_Fet posted...

If Democrats wanted to be able to block a vote on a SCOTUS nominee then they should have won more seats in 2016.

Do you agree what McConnell did set a shitty precedent? Why should either party appoint any judges of the opposite party now?

McConnell didn't set the precedent that any baseless rape accusation could block a SCOTUS nominee. That's what Democrats are trying to do.
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hockeybub89 posted...

You aren't sure whether or not that she was ever raped, so how can you be sure Kavanagh didn't do it?

I find her accusation suspicious because of a number of factors that I outlined in the OP.

hockeybub89 posted...

Perhaps we should investigate and clear up all this confusion the best we can.

The FBI already declined to investigate.
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shockthemonkey posted...

Mal_Fet posted...

shockthemonkey posted...

Ive stayed on topic this entire time. I want your honest answer. The other day you said you believed she was sexually assaulted, do you still believe that? You also said shes going after Kavanaugh because of his mothers involvement with the foreclosure of her parents house. Do you still believe that?

That was one of a whole list of suspicious factors, yeah.

And I said it's possible she was sexually assaulted at some point. Not seeing how that's relevant to Kavanaugh.

What do you think, do you believe her story is 100% accurate?

Its silly how much youre dodging these questions when Im literally just asking you whether things you believe the things youve said.

He says, as he dodges my question.

Also no I didn't say that.
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hockeybub89 posted...

Damn_Underscore posted...

Merrick Garland should be a Supreme Court justice right now, but he isn't. There's nothing anyone can do about it.

You don't want to continue the precedent of blocking Supreme Court nominees because the president is a different political party.

If we aren't going to burn everything to the ground and start over, then everyone should play the same games.

If Democrats wanted to be able to block a vote on a SCOTUS nominee then they should have won more seats in 2016.

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ImTheMacheteGuy posted...

If you had to choose one and bet your life on it or face immediate death, which would you choose?

Why would I entertain a game of speculation with you when all you want to do is mark my post
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hockeybub89 posted...

If you're not sure whether or not she has ever been raped, then how can you be sure Kavanagh didn't do it? She might be honest that she was raped then, but Kavanagh doing it is impossible?

Literally never said any of that.
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shockthemonkey posted...

Ive stayed on topic this entire time. I want your honest answer. The other day you said you believed she was sexually assaulted, do you still believe that? You also said shes going after Kavanaugh because of his mothers involvement with the foreclosure of her parents house. Do you still believe that?

That was one of a whole list of suspicious factors, yeah.

And I said it's possible she was sexually assaulted at some point. Not seeing how that's relevant to Kavanaugh.

What do you think, do you believe her story is 100% accurate?
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ImTheMacheteGuy posted...

Mal_Fet posted...

ImTheMacheteGuy posted...

A) Someone sexually assaulted her in the incident she described, but not the accused.

or

B) The incident she described never happened and she was not sexually assaulted as described.

Neither, because I'd don't know.

I know the story she's telling now is really suspicious, though.

Which one seems more likely to you?

I don't know. But this topic is about the Kavanaugh accusation so stay on topic.
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hockeybub89 posted...

Wait. So Republican nominees need to be forced through to put the Democrats in their place, but Democrat nominees should be denied until a Republican President takes over?

If Democrats wanted to be able to block a vote on a SCOTUS nominee then they should have won more seats in 2016.

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shockthemonkey posted...

Ok so youre just going to continue to dodge any sort of actual answer.

I don't know what other answer you want, it seems like the only answer you'll accept is to accuse her of never being assaulted at all, which I can't answer because I have no idea.

Well, tough shit. We're talking about the Kavanaugh accusation ITT, so stay on topic
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ImTheMacheteGuy posted...

A) Someone sexually assaulted her in the incident she described, but not the accused.

or

B) The incident she described never happened and she was not sexually assaulted as described.

Neither, because I'd don't know.

I know the story she's telling now is really suspicious, though.
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shockthemonkey posted...

Do you believe she is lying about being sexually assaulted at that party? The other day you said you believed that she was sexually assaulted at that party but thought she was lying about it being Kavanaugh. You also claimed that she was accusing him because his mother was involved in the foreclosure of her parents house.

Do you believe that she was sexually assaulted at the party, and has been deliberately lying about Kavanaugh being responsible because of his mothers involvement with her parents foreclosure?

This question couldnt be more straightforward.

I believe evidence, and she's given none. She hasn't even given a date or location for this party, nor the names of other attendees who might be able to couch for her. Further, her story changed from her therapy notes in 2012.

Let me ask : knowing all of that, do you believe her accusation against Kavanaugh?
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shockthemonkey posted...

Mal_Fet posted...

shockthemonkey posted...

Mal_Fet posted...

shockthemonkey posted...

Are you saying that you dont believe she was sexually assaulted anymore? Explain what you actually believe instead of dancing around the question with non-answers.

I don't believe the story she's telling now, no.

Are you trying to say that you dont believe she was sexually assaulted?

I don't believe Kavanaugh sexually assaulted her, no.

Obviously her story has changed over the years so obviously not every version of her story can be the truth simultaneously.

And another dodge!

Its really weird how you wont answer the question

Are you trying to ask if she was sexually assaulted ever, in her entire life? I dunno. Not seeing how that's relevant to Kavanaugh.
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shockthemonkey posted...

Mal_Fet posted...

shockthemonkey posted...

Are you saying that you dont believe she was sexually assaulted anymore? Explain what you actually believe instead of dancing around the question with non-answers.

I don't believe the story she's telling now, no.

Are you trying to say that you dont believe she was sexually assaulted?

I don't believe Kavanaugh sexually assaulted her, no.

Obviously her story has changed over the years so obviously not every version of her story can be the truth simultaneously.
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