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I think the other thing is that, for me, Foutte is dysfunctional. Despite consistently getting blindsided, there are regular accusations of Scottie flipping, of Haleigh flipping, of multiple people flipping. L4 just stays calm and continues working together, so their side feels much stronger despite the numbers being far more even.
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Peridiam posted...

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If there's one thing to take note of, it's that a good season doesn't depend on the HoH each week. Angela winning is probably the better scenario as it'll cause Bayleigh's power app drama to arise, alongside the "girls alliance" to be truly revealed for the shambled state it's in. If Bay uses her app, the shit will hit the fan. Lotta scrambling. I imagine Angela is going to target her so it's probably best she does use it.

Likewise L6 is down to 4 people now, compared to "The Hive" which has 5. Then you get Sam who's basically following her gut, and JC who is entirely floating, intending to have the power swing from side to side. If The Hive lose a member it's 4-2-4, which is a fun dynamic. I'd kinda prefer that too.

Either way, I'm grabbing my popcorn.

The problem is that, for all intents and purposes, L4 has, by virtue of having JC and Sam vote with them EVERY week, held a majority all season long, and it's like every time Foutte actually comes close to realistically evening the numbers, it swings back. I just want the sides to actually be even to the point where L4 can't just control the vote even when they have two members on the block.

The numbers aren't even though? It's 4-2-5.

I'm not sure how much you guys know from the feeds but L6 is in the minority. Sam/JC are not with L6. Sam is not with Angela/Kaycee. JC is not with Angela/Kaycee/Brett. Sam/JC ARE with Tyler, which is why Sam has voted the way she has. JC is just floating like any decent floater does. He'll turn on L6 the moment it's necessary. JC is also strongly with Fessy.

I'm aware that Sam/JC are with nominally not with L4. They're with Tyler, but TYLER is 100% strong with L4, which means Sam/JC are with L4 for all intents and purposes. The problem is that L4 has yet to be in a position where they don't control the week. Yes, they've lost Rachel and Winston, but in both instances, they controlled which of their alliance went home, against the wishes of the other side. As a result, we have people like Kaycee/Angela/Brett who can afford to sit back and be boring, outside of Brett doing his tryhard eviction speeches, because they're never faced a situation where they had to so much as interact with the other side of the house.
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Peridiam posted...

If there's one thing to take note of, it's that a good season doesn't depend on the HoH each week. Angela winning is probably the better scenario as it'll cause Bayleigh's power app drama to arise, alongside the "girls alliance" to be truly revealed for the shambled state it's in. If Bay uses her app, the shit will hit the fan. Lotta scrambling. I imagine Angela is going to target her so it's probably best she does use it.

Likewise L6 is down to 4 people now, compared to "The Hive" which has 5. Then you get Sam who's basically following her gut, and JC who is entirely floating, intending to have the power swing from side to side. If The Hive lose a member it's 4-2-4, which is a fun dynamic. I'd kinda prefer that too.

Either way, I'm grabbing my popcorn.

The problem is that, for all intents and purposes, L4 has, by virtue of having JC and Sam vote with them EVERY week, held a majority all season long, and it's like every time Foutte actually comes close to realistically evening the numbers, it swings back. I just want the sides to actually be even to the point where L4 can't just control the vote even when they have two members on the block.
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This is a legit good season but holy hell Brett and Angela are weighing it down and are going to continue to do so.

Yeah, L6 as a whole sucks, and it's made worse because they keep evicting their only interesting members when put on the block against Brett. Rockstar winning would've been SO much better for blowing up Tyler's game.
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Oh yay. A new twist that gives Brett more chances to give boring confessionals about being a hacker. Wonderful.
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God DAMMIT.
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Fuck you, Angela. What a fucking bitch.
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This is painful, and L6 is really fucking awful for doing this to her.
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This segment is SO fucking awkward. ESPECIALLY since Swaggy and Bayleigh had sex on the live feeds.
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Australian Survivor Spoilers:

IS RUSSELL HANTZ SERIOUSLY THE SECOND BOOT AGAIN?! BAHAHAHAHA! AND HE HAD AN IDOL THIS TIME! HE CAN'T EVEN DO THE ONE THING HE'S EVER BEEN GOOD AT IN SURVIVOR!
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And my remaining list, for 500:

1. ???
2. ???
3. ???
4. ???
5. ???
6. ???
7. ???
8. Survivor: Marquesas (Season 4)
9. ???
10. ???
11. ???
12. Survivor: Nicaragua (Season 21)
13. Survivor: Guatemala (Season 11)
14. ???
15. ???
16. Survivor: Fiji (Season 14)
17. ???
18. Survivor: Heroes vs. Healers vs. Hustlers (Season 35)
19. ???
20. Survivor: Game Changers (Season 34)
21. Survivor: South Pacific (Season 23)
22. Survivor: Samoa (Season 19)
23. ???
24. Survivor: Africa (Season 3)
25. ???
26. ???
27. Survivor: One World (Season 24)
28. Survivor: Cook Islands (Season 13)
29. Survivor: Millennials vs. Gen X (Season 33)
30. ???
31. Survivor: Ghost Islands (Season 34)
32. Survivor: Worlds Apart (Season 30)
33. Survivor: Thailand (Season 5)
34. Survivor: All-Stars (Season 8)
35. Survivor: Caramoan (Season 26)
36. Survivor: Redemption Island (Season 22)
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And since someone was asking earlier, the top half of the seasons are:

Borneo
Australia
Amazon
Pearl Islands
Vanuatu
Palau
Exile Island
China
Micronesia
Gabon
Tocantins
Heroes vs. Villains
Philippines
Blood vs. Water
Cagayan
San Juan Del Sur
Cambodia
Kaoh Rong
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Dude, they're characters on a TV show, and you're acting like I'm attacking your family. I'M not the one making it personal here. C'mon now, be reasonable.

ETA: Also, if you were just making fun of me, I feel like you wouldn't have defended yourself to GTM. Again, c'mon now.
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It's not making things personal. It's just pointing out that you tend to skew things a little bit when it comes to the opinions you hold. Holding unique opinions is fine, but you have, in the past, made some false claims on the basis of your opinions. The Morgan episode, for example. You had a vested interest in Morgan's success, and then when she got blindsided, you not only called it mean-spirited (which flies in the face of your MvGX love where everyone just plays nice and blindsides are acceptable), but that it was the worst episode ever, where just objectively, a minority alliance pulling off a 4-3-1 blindside is amazing by any merit.

You just make things so personal and act like your personal opinions are objective facts. At least when I push my opinions, I do try to explain where I'm coming from and why my opinions should hold more water with your average fan. It's like how I point out that people hate Game Changers yet love Cambodia, when the only difference between the two is the cast. I know it's still my opinion, but there are certain things that objectively do not make sense to me, so I try to look at things logically...and then get frustrated when logic isn't applied equally between two similar things.
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I'm just saying, your opinions on Survivor take bizarrely personal views that don't necessarily reflect reality. Like the whole Natalie Tenerelli incident that got the "Save My Survivor" contest shut down. Yes, you personally connected with Natalie in the lead-up to Cambodia, but you've been incensed that people (like myself and countless others) actively HATE Natalie Tenerelli based on what we've seen of her in Redemption Island, where she was a mute follower to Rob, who behaved like a catty bitch to multiple people and generally helped contribute to it being a terrible season.
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To be fair, I'M not the one who called the Morgan boot in Ghost Island the most mean-spirited and worst episode of all time.
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BlueCrystalTear posted...

And if it's not clear, I have no respect for "opinions" formed by false pretense which are then argued as fact. Thus my stance here. Inviso from the start has been throwing out complete nonsense about MvX - things that do not describe the season - and this continues to baffle me. Hence why I'm just using the Inviso playbook :P

And don't bring up politics k thx

You literally described MvGX's cast as "interesting". I'M not the one throwing out complete nonsense about the season.
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Mega Mana posted...

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When it comes to MvGX, yes. My opinions are objectively wrong.

I mean, it's good that you can at least admit that.

Rewatch the dang season and you'll see.

Maybe YOU should rewatch it and realize that, much like your Cook Islands write-up, it's a bland season that doesn't hold up a second time around, because once you know all the blindsides that are gonna happen, the characters are flat and not worth investing it.

Yul is amazing.

Yul is a boring politician. I want my politicians in politics and my reality TV stars on reality TV. Swap Yul for Trump, is what I'm saying.
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BlueCrystalTear posted...

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When it comes to MvGX, yes. My opinions are objectively wrong.

I mean, it's good that you can at least admit that.

Rewatch the dang season and you'll see.

Maybe YOU should rewatch it and realize that, much like your Cook Islands write-up, it's a bland season that doesn't hold up a second time around, because once you know all the blindsides that are gonna happen, the characters are flat and not worth investing it.
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When it comes to MvGX, yes. My opinions are objectively correct.
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Well here's the thing: you're offering up two statements. One, Million Dollar Gamble was interesting. Two, you like how the cast was nice and enjoying themselves all season long and were bestest buddies at the end. These two statements are contradictory. If the cast played nice and no one was bitter and everyone treated it like just a game, then what reason do I as a viewer have to give a shit about some six-person rock draw?

That's actually the biggest FLAW with MvGX, is how nice everyone was. There are no fucking STAKES to anything, because there's no emotion. It's like when I used to play online poker. I didn't play with real money, just with play chips. And you can refresh your play chips for free every hour if you bust out. So what does it matter if you decide to dick around and shove your whole stack every round? Sometimes you get lucky and score a huge pot. That's what MvGX feels like. Just a bunch of happy-go-lucky dipshits playing Survivor like it's an online ORG.

Blindsiding people just for the sake of causing a blindside and adding items to your "resume" is all this season is, starting from Jay unnecessarily blindsiding Michaela (which takes out a number and leaves his alliance (Michelle and Taylor) stuck holding the bag for the next two rounds.) Then Zeke unnecessarily boots Chris, putting him in a position where he's the new target at ten, which leads to the "Million Dollar Gamble". But who gives a shit? Aside from Michaela (out) and Taylor (out), none of these people seem to care about the game working out against them. And then after the Jessica rock draw, it doesn't even matter because Will flips for resume reasons the very next round and takes out Zeke. Then WILL gets taken out. Then Sunday and Bret go out because Hannah wants to score blindsides. Who CARES? It's just SUCH a soulless season, and even the final tribal council is evidence of this. The fact that Ken was allies with Jessica/David all season long, and Jessica gave Ken her legacy advantage, and David seemed to have no hard feelings towards Ken betraying him...and both of them voted for Adam to be a 10-0-0 winner? Not even pity votes for their friend? Fuck THAT. Adam didn't play well enough to deserve a unanimous victory by ANY stretch of the imagination. Christ, gimme bitterness and emotion over that shit ANY day.
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BlueCrystalTear posted...

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Never stopped playing the game, check.

How soon we forget a few early merge votes... and how the MedEvacs really FORCED them to stop playing.

Nick blindside, Debbie blindside, Scot blindside all early merge. And the medevacs didn't stop anyone from playing. People were still working angles and strategizing. "Playing the game" isn't just blindsides and voting and "live tribal councils".

Million dollar gamble, Scot fucking FAILED check.

Objectively wrong. The "Million Dollar Gamble" did not happen in Kaoh Rong and for you to say it did means you have zero appreciation for Survivor history.

It's a generic fucking title that could apply to MANY moments that carried more emotional weight than Jessica Lewis picking a rock. I'll take Scot Pollard, who had an idol and knew he was in danger, not playing the idol because he thought Tai would give up HIS idol to make for a super idol, a far bigger gamble, and one that was far more interesting as well.

Intimately personal winner, checkaroonie.

Not at all.

We got to know Michele INTIMATELY, since the editors couldn't build her up as a strategic mastermind. If you won't accept her, then you can't really accept Mr. "My Mom Has Cancer and That's the Only Thing Anyone Knows About Me" either.

I'll give you the "interesting bunch" but that's the only thing my write-up for MvX has in common with Kaoh Rong.

Honestly, your write-up barely has anything in common with MvGX, aside from the negatives about the forced theme. The cast wasn't high-level since over half of them were shit players: Rachel, Mari, Paul, Lucy, CeCe, Figgy, Michelle, Taylor, Jessica, Sunday, Bret, Ken, Adam. And that's not including the idiots that made unnecessary big moves just to pad their "resumes" and ultimately put themselves in worse positions because they just had to rack up blindsides: Zeke, Will, Jay, Hannah.

The cast wasn't interesting outside of David, Jay, Hannah, Figgy, Taylor, Michaela and Adam. And Adam isn't "intimately personal" aside from him being given one nugget of information that was hammered into the viewers' minds over and over again. I wouldn't call Jenna Morasca intimately personal either.

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Peridiam posted...

Million Dollar Gamble is the name of the rock draw episode.

Oh I don't care about episode titles (except for "I Can Forgive Her But I Don't Have To Because She Screwed With My Chickens"). Million Dollar Gamble, for example, is generic enough to apply to dozens of instances across the show's long history.
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Hardcore players, check.

Never stopped playing the game, check.

Interesting bunch, extreme check.

Million dollar gamble, Scot fucking FAILED check.

Intimately personal winner, checkaroonie.
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You can't really bash Kaoh Rong for still being in when it literally fits the description of your positive MvGX write-up, minus the "the theme was overbearing" talk.
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Thank GOD.
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Alright. Exile Island ranked and completed. 202 contestants ranked (182 on my list merging characters with multiple appearances.)
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I feel like there's an option she could've taken beyond "my final two partner is a liar and she's dead to me".
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Angela sucks. Rachel comes to you for fear of YOUR safety, and you sell her out as crazy and paranoid?
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Did he out him? I thought he was open about it.

He said he was open but said he outed him to make Boston Rob feel like shit.

Also, people other than you like Cambodia Inviso. Proof in the pudding!

I'm aware that people like Cambodia. It's the reason why the producers keep giving us garbage attempts to replicate the season.
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Ugh...that is the most depressing fire-making tiebreaker in Survivor history. Not only does a massive fan favorite go out, but it's also like, the only time where the losing player actually had a decent flame on several occasions and COULD have won.
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Watching the penultimate EI episode...thinking back on it, for all her strategic intelligence, Cirie has never been great at puzzles has she?
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Bayleigh forgot the most important part of that threat.

That she's then gonna drive over to her club, and that'll be it.
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I know that I've made my feelings on Brett known, but can we at least agree that, in a season where all the comps are internet-themed, having a "cyber security expert" talking about how every comp is great for him as a cyber security expert, is kinda annoying?
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Naye745 posted...

i mean so is redemption island but nobody likes that either

Redemption Island is quite literally the opposite of a trainwreck.

That's why it's so bad.
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Looking at the eliminations thus far, I would say Nicaragua is the only season that has no business being this low. HHH and GC and Fiji are lower than some awful seasons that should be out by now, but at least I understand the hatred. Nicaragua though? Nope nope nope.
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Peridiam posted...

Right, but this is the issue, and why she isnt right. Rockstar resented Brett for his archetype, not for his character. Hes a straight while male and thus needs to be eradicated for being as such. He was winning because his alliance held the power, and she blamed his archetype for it.

That said since then theyre actually both pretty cordial. Kiss and made up.

The editors are a different story. Thats not Bretts fault and the need to take him out for an example such as that is a seemingly ugly rationale.

Brett, a bland, generic white alpha male, is given credit by the editors for an event that was instigated by Angela, a similarly bland, generic white alpha female. This is but one example of such an occurrence, and it's part of an ongoing trend of men getting credit for women's actions. This creates a feedback loop where men are automatically perceived as bigger threats, leading to positive and negative consequences: positive in that they get a ton of credit and less blowback should they make the endgame, negative in that they're viewed as bigger targets for elimination even if they're less threatening in reality than their female counterparts. So Rockstar, while an obnoxious caricature of what conservatives view all liberals to be, is not wrong about Brett, and the edit of last week's boot is just an example of how society reaffirms her claims.
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Peridiam posted...

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After thinking about it a little...Rockstar's really not wrong about Brett and the show kinda proved it.

In reality, the flip to take out Kaitlyn was mainly on Angela, pushing to keep Rockstar around since Rockstar could be trusted more to go after the guys than after the girls. On the show however, they had that cringeworthy scene of Rockstar trying to strategize with Brett, followed by them making it look like Brett was calling the shots in terms of switching the vote to Kaitlyn. Keep in mind that Angela has gotten almost NO edit thus far this season, and this could've been a breakout moment, yet the editors still felt it necessary to give all discussion to Brett, and then Tyler in opposition to the vote.

I'm just sayin'...guys like him DO have a tendency to "win" in the eyes of society.

Youre not blaming Brett for this though, right? This is the editors fault for not giving us the right story.

I suppose not. But the editors are certainly giving credit to one archetype over another, and it's not like this is the first time such events have been misrepresented in this way.
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Just finished the F6 and F5 episodes of Exile Island. It's amazing to me how much more impact the family visits had back in the day, when the editors actually gave a shit about building people up as human beings rather than chess pieces.
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After thinking about it a little...Rockstar's really not wrong about Brett and the show kinda proved it.

In reality, the flip to take out Kaitlyn was mainly on Angela, pushing to keep Rockstar around since Rockstar could be trusted more to go after the guys than after the girls. On the show however, they had that cringeworthy scene of Rockstar trying to strategize with Brett, followed by them making it look like Brett was calling the shots in terms of switching the vote to Kaitlyn. Keep in mind that Angela has gotten almost NO edit thus far this season, and this could've been a breakout moment, yet the editors still felt it necessary to give all discussion to Brett, and then Tyler in opposition to the vote.

I'm just sayin'...guys like him DO have a tendency to "win" in the eyes of society.
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Eaed is a perfect example of my mindset on Africa. I feel like a person's enjoyment of the season is dependent entirely on how much you like Lex as a character, because once the merge hits, he's pretty much the only player that actually matters to the plot. Me? I don't much care for Lex, so I rank it low.
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There are several for me.
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I'm still completely stunned. I cannot believe an event that production had all week to prepare for and planned for in the schedule...STILL managed to bomb because Kaitlyn is a mess.
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We need a Foutte HoH, that's what we need. Just to balance things out a little bit.
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Yeah, they TOTALLY weren't expecting someone to fuck up that easy-ass puzzle. Julie's not prepared for an interview at all.
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Jesus Christ...that was the easiest fucking puzzle...she literally had to take it apart and could've slid it through the slot all on her own. You KNOW that fucked up the production schedule too. They have 99 days and expect the equivalent of 17 players to make that runtime work.
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This doesn't seem TOO hard, but Kaitlyn might be panicky enough to fuck up the time limit.
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Underleveled posted...

I thought JC wanted Kaitlyn out how come he is the only one voting Rockstar?

Shit-stirring.
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I, of all people, should LOVE an all-female alliance, but the BWB is boring and vapid, with a single episode flash of brilliance from Natalie, and Cirie is always good.
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