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Everybody who defends Stannis is gonna be really pissed after they read Winds of Winter, that's my prediction.

It was always true in the book that Stannis was a power-hungry man that justified himself with talk of 'duty'. His entire character is a hypocrite who talks about fair and how he doesn't want the throne but gets dirtier and dirtier to achieve it.

Praising stannis is like saying Walter White was a great man who really cared about helping his family.
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Shelton undoubtedly wants Cena's championship belt. And Cena undoubtedly wants Shelton's black heritage.- looseiver

But here's the question. Did the car driver do it because he was a nazi? Or because he was in the middle of a violent issue between two opposing , violent , and angry sides. Like gang violence as mentioned.

If it's the latter the president CANT take sides really as neither side should be violent against the other. If it was a peaceful protest that was attacked the issue would be way more clear.
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Shelton undoubtedly wants Cena's championship belt. And Cena undoubtedly wants Shelton's black heritage.- looseiver

Funkydog posted...

DirkDiggles posted...

As hideous and disgusting as the alt-right, Neo-Nazis, and the white supremacists message is, the left, mainly Antifa, did go there looking for a fight. It's outright unacceptable and damn vile that a person had to die expressing her first amendment right.

Anybody that thinks that only one side is to blame is either delusional or just plain trolling. It's like blaming just one side for all the gang violence inside an inner city. Is it the Cripts fault, is it the Bloods fault, or is it both sides fault?

Perhaps. But how would you feel if he said "both sides are bad" in response to any other terror attack? He calls other terrorists sad and thugs, but in this case "some of them are good people" - it is a severe change in language to his usual kind. And for a group of people with nazis among them.

but most terror attacks don't start this way. Most terror attacks involve people peacefully going about their day and then suddenly getting blown up. THIS was something different....this was two sides that were at each others throats with violence
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Shelton undoubtedly wants Cena's championship belt. And Cena undoubtedly wants Shelton's black heritage.- looseiver

DifferentialEquation posted...

Antifa should be condemned in general. It's even okay to talk about the violence at Charlottesville from Antifa. But it wasn't their side that murdered someone and gloated about it on social media. And they don't have the same vile history in this country that the neo nazis do. Before have talking about what Antifa or other counter protestors did wrong, there should be strong and immediate condemnation of the neo nazis and the other white supremacist groups which Trump failed to do.

Well I think the thing is that the violence on both sides escalated which LED to the murder so without the escalation the murder might not have happened. Obviously the murder is an act that should be condemned the MOST but there is STILL blame on both sides for getting to that point
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Shelton undoubtedly wants Cena's championship belt. And Cena undoubtedly wants Shelton's black heritage.- looseiver

Asherlee10 posted...

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Asherlee10 posted...

Just go watch his speech. It's on YouTube.

Right. That's why I bring this up. I watched his speech, and am curious if he was lying, because nobody seems to agree with him, and everybody seems to be mad. So my question is, are they mad at Trump because he LIED (the violence was not started by the left, but they were just defending themselves for example), or are they mad because they disagree with his statement that there could be shared blame

Probably both. At this point, he botched one of the easiest things a politician can do: Denounce the Nazis and that behavior.

But denouncing the nazis and their behavior and averting his eyes from the fact that they were attacked with clubs during a legal protest (IF THIS IS TRUE) would be...wrong.
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Shelton undoubtedly wants Cena's championship belt. And Cena undoubtedly wants Shelton's black heritage.- looseiver

Unquestionable posted...

That_Happened posted...

HHH is the game posted...

then somebody RANDOMLY driving their car through a group of people....

Randomly?

A white nationalist drove his car into a group of anti-racism protesters...at a rally started by white nationalists. If that's "random" then it's the greatest coincidence that ever happened.

Pretty sure TC has already spent the whole topic showing his reading comprehension isn't exactly on point, no reason to think he's going to make that connection.

Um...I know, that's what I'm saying. This wasn't some random act of terror. There was a violent clash between two parties and he got even more violent. I don't see how that is comparable to a terrorist driving a car through a crowd of random pedestrians. Hate crime sure, but terrorrism? That seems to be furthering an agenda to me. And everybody will stick on it because they want to prove they're right.
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Shelton undoubtedly wants Cena's championship belt. And Cena undoubtedly wants Shelton's black heritage.- looseiver

Asherlee10 posted...

Some points that are worth noting (correct me if I'm wrong):

1. The white supremacists showed up with weapons and riot shields to "peacefully protest"
2. Only some of the anti-protestors showed up with weapons as a response to the white supremacists with weapons
3. Some of the anti-protestors were military veterans (in wheelchairs), some just had signs, etc.
4. Trump took 2 days to 'condemn' the neo-nazis claiming that he wanted to wait to get "all the facts."
5. When he finally did condemn them, he said that there were good guys in the white supremacist's crowd and that they 'alt-left' is to blame for the violence.

What it sounded like to me is he said BOTH are to blame for the violence.

Honestly I just hate when people act like hypocrites. I hate when people condemn one side and then do the same thing.

And what I'm finding out and is making me very disillusioned is that in a lot of ways the left is no better than the right.

This is an extreme example. Not really the main point.

But things like complaining about the popular vs electoral vote when you KNOW that if the shoes were reversed and the right did it the left would call them crybabies.

I always kind of thought of the left as the 'good guys' and I still agree with them on issues, but a lot of things I saw everybody complaining about and agreed with (god the right are such crybabies) when the time comes, the left doesn't do anything different, they don't 'be the better man' like I would have expected them to be, and now Im realizing that everybody is a crybaby and everybody thinks they're right.

Everybody is so sure that they're right and they don't care about objective facts or looking at things neturally or logically they just wanna scream their viewpoint and if you don't agree you're wrong or the devil, and they don't want to discuss things.

It bothers me because Im just losing faith in pretty much all people <_<.

Now in this case its an extreme example because we can all come together in saying that nazi viewpoints are pretty evil. I don't think there's many on either side arguing that. But I also think we should acknowledge that you can't just attack protesters who have a legal permit. If you can't acknowledge there was violence on both sides its upsetting to me. Trump should be bringing this up as the President. If they both started the violence it should be acknowledged
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Shelton undoubtedly wants Cena's championship belt. And Cena undoubtedly wants Shelton's black heritage.- looseiver

tennisdude818 posted...

Can you imagine if back in 2009 the Tea Party was throwing bricks and urine, assaulting people with clubs and pepper spray, and rioted over left wing speeches that they didn't like? For example, what if they broke shit, attacked people, and left threats to get a Van Jones speech shut down "by any means necessary"?

Right. Well that's my point. I HATE seeing hypocricy and its really disappointing me to see that the left behaves like the right when the shoes are reversed. now I think most can agree though that in THIS case, the protest they were attacking was legitimately very vile. (Though I know there have been instances with people just being controversial speakers where the left has rebelled against, which made me disappointed and upset).

I don't think many would say that the things these protesters were saying was at all equivalent to what the left might have done.

But the fact is that if the right did this the left would be furious. And legally we can't just say "well it was really vile so we are right to attack them with clubs"
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Shelton undoubtedly wants Cena's championship belt. And Cena undoubtedly wants Shelton's black heritage.- looseiver

Asherlee10 posted...

Just go watch his speech. It's on YouTube.

Right. That's why I bring this up. I watched his speech, and am curious if he was lying, because nobody seems to agree with him, and everybody seems to be mad. So my question is, are they mad at Trump because he LIED (the violence was not started by the left, but they were just defending themselves for example), or are they mad because they disagree with his statement that there could be shared blame
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Shelton undoubtedly wants Cena's championship belt. And Cena undoubtedly wants Shelton's black heritage.- looseiver

Super Saiyan 3 Goku posted...

Im confused.

You sure are. If you are trying to establish a moral equivalency between a group that gathered to hate and another group that gathered to protest hate, then you really are lost.

No, there isn't, until it comes to the violence part.
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Shelton undoubtedly wants Cena's championship belt. And Cena undoubtedly wants Shelton's black heritage.- looseiver

HiddenLurker posted...

If this is truee he still could have blamed the "Nazis"........



if he planed to run as Democrat in reelection.

but he CAN'T though. If there is free speech, even vile speech, you can't just attack them...one is in first amendment rights, but I don't know of any amendment that allows you to attack people violently....so as president, he really CANNOT.
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Shelton undoubtedly wants Cena's championship belt. And Cena undoubtedly wants Shelton's black heritage.- looseiver

hollow_shrine posted...

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hollow_shrine posted...

Use google, and find out. No one comes to CE looking for clarity on actual current events.

I have and no article is being very clear on this

Several articles have been quite clear on this. Go back and do some more reading.

They made it sound like the violence was from the right, Trump claims there was violence from the left.
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Shelton undoubtedly wants Cena's championship belt. And Cena undoubtedly wants Shelton's black heritage.- looseiver

That_Happened posted...

delicious bait that I will leave on the floor

I am dead serious. I've read ten articles and none of them are going into what Trump said.

the media often is biased and Ive lost respect for CNN after they attacked that kid who posted a meme, so I can't trust them to be unbiased in ANYTHING regarding Trump...

So can somebody who has been following this fill me in on if Trump was telling the truth or wasn't, and if he WAS, why what he said was wrong?

To be honest I don't get the terrorism claim either. It seems like a lot of people wanting to say that terrorism can come from anybody, even white people. Again, maybe true, but there seems to be a HUGE difference between a clash between two groups becoming very heated, and violent, and then this act occurring, then somebody RANDOMLY driving their car through a group of people....
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Shelton undoubtedly wants Cena's championship belt. And Cena undoubtedly wants Shelton's black heritage.- looseiver

hollow_shrine posted...

Use google, and find out. No one comes to CE looking for clarity on actual current events.

I have and no article is being very clear on this
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Shelton undoubtedly wants Cena's championship belt. And Cena undoubtedly wants Shelton's black heritage.- looseiver

Maybe somebody can fill me in. Im trying to understand exactly what happened.

Is it true that the violence was started by the counter-protesters, that had clubs and attacked the protesters?

If that is true, then that was...well...wrong. You can't attack somebody asserting their free speech with clubs no matter how vile the speech is....

So if this IS true and maybe it's not (Was Trump lying? The articles don't seem to talk about this, is it a media spin, trying to avoid this, or is Trump lying?) but if it IS true....

How could the president NOT condemn people who attacked somebody asserting free speech?

I mean we, as the common people, can say 'whatever idc, it's nazis' and that's fine, but the PRESIDENT can't do that.

I'm just very confused because if Trump is telling the truth he can't just forgive the violence that was started, so he WOULD be right there is blame on both sides if people attacked legal protesters with clubs.

I'm Jewish and obviously not a nazi defender, but I do think the law should be the law and not influenced by feelings, and if somebody is within their legal rights, even if you think its vile, you shouldn't be able to attack them because you don't like what they're saying. Even if what they're saying is that they're a nazi.

Then there was the car attack which obviously was horrible, and SHOULD be condemned which goes without saying, but if the violence was started by the left then there IS blame on both sides.

So can somebody set this straight with me?
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Shelton undoubtedly wants Cena's championship belt. And Cena undoubtedly wants Shelton's black heritage.- looseiver

Watch the last few seconds of the video where they debate whether or not this gif came from reddit as if they are deep in investigation to figure this out
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Shelton undoubtedly wants Cena's championship belt. And Cena undoubtedly wants Shelton's black heritage.- looseiver

Im no Trump fan but WTF!

http://www.cnn.com/2017/07/04/politics/kfile-reddit-user-trump-tweet/index.html

WHO CARES WHERE IT CAME FROM, WHO CARES ABOUT A REDDIT TROLL
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Shelton undoubtedly wants Cena's championship belt. And Cena undoubtedly wants Shelton's black heritage.- looseiver

He didnt feel like ANYBODY should have to leave. They could voluntarily leave but they shouldnt demand somebody else leaves.
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Shelton undoubtedly wants Cena's championship belt. And Cena undoubtedly wants Shelton's black heritage.- looseiver

Van halen is probably the best Ive seen.
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Shelton undoubtedly wants Cena's championship belt. And Cena undoubtedly wants Shelton's black heritage.- looseiver

averagejoel posted...

also, while I'm at it, The Police

WHAT? no way lmao
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Shelton undoubtedly wants Cena's championship belt. And Cena undoubtedly wants Shelton's black heritage.- looseiver

OMG this is insanity
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Shelton undoubtedly wants Cena's championship belt. And Cena undoubtedly wants Shelton's black heritage.- looseiver

SSj3BillMurray posted...

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Butterfiles posted...

It's worth noting that preexisting conditions are one of the main reasons why Obamacare was a thing in the first place.

Again....I hate that we are going back on pre-existing conditions, that is NOT what Im saying.

Im saying that people are exaggerating the actual problem to make their point.

Anything feels like exaggeration when the opposition is in full on denial mode

No. It doesnt. If people were not losing insurance for acne before and acne was on the list before, then why even bring it up?

Its fear-mongering. Telling people "YOU CAN LOSE COVERAGE FOR ACNE" even when that is not actually a realistic thing that can happen.

its disappointing to see because this is the exact thing the right loves to do and the left complains about, but now the left does the same.

It seems like everybody is the same.

This is an awful decision but lets be realistic about what it actually means.

And like I said, if there really are a lot of new pre-existing conditions that were NOT listed before obamacare then that would prove me wrong. But I heard people implying sexual assault was always on this list, and if people weren't actually losing coverage for it before its stupid to try to get people afraid of it to prove a point.
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Shelton undoubtedly wants Cena's championship belt. And Cena undoubtedly wants Shelton's black heritage.- looseiver

TheVipaGTS posted...

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TheVipaGTS posted...

Sort of... they've actually made it worse than it was 8 years ago.

So thats what im curious about, how so?

https://www.gamefaqs.com/boards/400-current-events/75312561

Also even making preexisting conditions a thing again is terrible.

Which preexisting conditions are new with this bill that werent there before?
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Shelton undoubtedly wants Cena's championship belt. And Cena undoubtedly wants Shelton's black heritage.- looseiver

Yeah because the ending sucked so it can only make you less disappointed
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Shelton undoubtedly wants Cena's championship belt. And Cena undoubtedly wants Shelton's black heritage.- looseiver

Butterfiles posted...

It's worth noting that preexisting conditions are one of the main reasons why Obamacare was a thing in the first place.

Again....I hate that we are going back on pre-existing conditions, that is NOT what Im saying.

Im saying that people are exaggerating the actual problem to make their point.
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Shelton undoubtedly wants Cena's championship belt. And Cena undoubtedly wants Shelton's black heritage.- looseiver

TheVipaGTS posted...

Sort of... they've actually made it worse than it was 8 years ago.

So thats what im curious about, how so?
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Shelton undoubtedly wants Cena's championship belt. And Cena undoubtedly wants Shelton's black heritage.- looseiver

_BlueMonk posted...

"Let's fix a problem"
"there its fixed"
"i'm breaking it again"
TC: "Fine."

But was people losing coverage due to acne or whatever, ever actually a problem? Thats what Im saying.

yes this is a step backwards, but I think what we should really be worrying about are people with very expensive cancer treatments etc not getting coverage.

Not making it sound like everybody who is sexually assaulted or has acne or has ever seen a therapist will be denied coverage, when that wasn't happening before and nothing has changed since then.

Thats what Im saying. Im not saying its FINE but Im saying you take things a step too far you lose sight of the actual issues and you give the right a chance to shoot you down.
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Shelton undoubtedly wants Cena's championship belt. And Cena undoubtedly wants Shelton's black heritage.- looseiver

Wow this board is fast
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Shelton undoubtedly wants Cena's championship belt. And Cena undoubtedly wants Shelton's black heritage.- looseiver

I mean I think it's awful that that was EVER a thing. It shouldn't be. It's awful to try to remove those protections

That being said...

Wasn't it like this until up to 8 years ago? are things like sexual assault and acne new to the pre existing list? I don't think people were unable to get insurance due to acne in the past so aren't people kind of overreacting acting like this is going to happen?

I feel like there's enough to criticize without exaggerating and losing credibility by letting yourself get shot down. It only hurts us to fearmonger. It's like when Obama opponents said he was going to kill everybody's grandma.

Unless these were never considered pre existing until now and I'm wrong in which case let me know and I'll agree it's awful
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Shelton undoubtedly wants Cena's championship belt. And Cena undoubtedly wants Shelton's black heritage.- looseiver

Well what got it into so many movies?
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Shelton undoubtedly wants Cena's championship belt. And Cena undoubtedly wants Shelton's black heritage.- looseiver

I mean this song is still so played and everybody LOVES it. Its just interesting to me that this one song from my childhood is still so huge. What exactly about this song made it so timeless?
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Shelton undoubtedly wants Cena's championship belt. And Cena undoubtedly wants Shelton's black heritage.- looseiver

pegusus123456 posted...

boxington posted...

I was looking at the cast, and it doesn't look like Eddie or Susan are gonna be in this one.

He mentioned that his race would matter with a certain character is all.

That isn't at all important to the story...they don't need to include every line and it didn't factor into the plot
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Shelton undoubtedly wants Cena's championship belt. And Cena undoubtedly wants Shelton's black heritage.- looseiver

Chris Benoit
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Shelton undoubtedly wants Cena's championship belt. And Cena undoubtedly wants Shelton's black heritage.- looseiver

Its ok
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Shelton undoubtedly wants Cena's championship belt. And Cena undoubtedly wants Shelton's black heritage.- looseiver