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have at least 5

Pirates of the Caribbean qualifies for this. Unfortunately.
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Jakyl25 posted...

Can we all agree that it would be for the best if the department was as transparent as possible in their review of the incident?

Yes.

Also more body cams.

This incident is a reproach of departments who have not adopted a widespread use of cameras.
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Shaduln posted...

Oh I guess we're confirming.

Yeah we did last game too. I didn't think we did that so no one would try to meta confirm timing but idk.
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Corrik posted...

Prior lethal violence or threats / possesses a lethal weapon.

Both are going to be the kickers. Because based on everything the situation shows, you had a reasonable reason to believe both of these were possible.

Reason to believe isn't good enough though. They had reason to suspect he MIGHT have a weapon IF he participated in the drive by shooting. But no proof of either except that he was in a matching car. Assume for a moment that the window had not been shot out. You can't shoot someone for fleeing a matching car with nothing else to go on.

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Jakyl25 posted...

Cop has to know he has it.

Also theres a difference between morally justifiable and legally justifiable. You may be able to make a moral case for this, but not a legal one if he has no weapon.

Okay so cops can no longer fire the instant someone turns around? Because maybe that person is unarmed now?

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You are both being unreasonable at opposite ends of the spectrum.
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Confirm
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Jakyl25 posted...

This case would not seem to fall under any of those, unless theres a threat we havent heard about.

Yes he had previously used lethal violence, but Im going to ASSUME that the implication in these restrictions is that the officer must have actually seen it and not just be surmising it. If thats wrong then who needs the judicial system.

I agree with this. Sure we have gunpowder residue information now, but i doubt the cops had that information at the time or the guns from the floor of the car.

But again, body cams would have been reallll useful here.
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Jakyl25 posted...

In my apparently controversial opinion, if you arent holding a weapon, you arent enough of an immediate threat to deserve death.

Hypothetical:

Suspect has a gun in hand. Suspect shoots cop A in face and turns to run away. Suspect is fleeing for several seconds and is making no indication that he will stop before Cop B has a shot lined up, having been caught flat footed by his partner's murder.

Is the cop shooting justified?

Does it make a difference if the suspect dropped the weapon before turning to flee?

Or if he didn't visibly drop the weapon but it turns out he did and it just wasn't in the line of sight?

How visible does the suspect's weapon have to be while the cop is firing?
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HotDogButts posted...

The shooting wasn't necessary, but it's pretty hard to get up in arms about a drive-by suspect, in a car with bullet holes in it, running from the cops, who ditched a gun on the floor of the car, had an empty clip on him and gun residue on his hands, getting wrongfully shot by the cops.

Im not necessarily disagreeing with the spirit of this post. Ive seen things like classmates saying "thats not the kind of guy he was" even though that was literally the kind of guy he was. He was a presumably willing participant in a drive by shooting. If yhe facts are accurate then he had residue on his hands proving he fired a gun in the shooting. I won't be losing any sleep over him personally.

BUT.

But if the law states that there needs to be a clear threat to justify lethal force against a fleeing suspect? Well based on what we currently know im not sure that's been established.

Naturally, emerging evidence could push this case in either direction still.
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Corrik posted...

He was fleeing a felony stop in which a person was gunned down from that car. I don't think that is too huge of a leap to think the person is armed while running from the police. imo.

This is where im not sure.

Im having trouble finding key information, such as how far along into the traffic stop they were at the time.

They say the driver was being cuffed at the time, does this mean as soon as the car stopped the passengers ran? Or the cop came up to the car like a normal traffic stop and informed them they were being arrested? What phase of the proceedings exactly were they in? It would be great if they had the body cams for this.

But depending on the answers to those questions it could have either (a) been very clear the subject was unnamed or (b) been very ambiguous if the suspect was armed or not.

But even if (b) and the suspect still had a gun on his person it is not guaranteed that he was a clear and present threat at the moment. And so lethal force is not necessity justified.

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pyresword posted...

My understanding is that a confirmed drive-by murder was reported, and that the stopped car was confirmed to be the same car--presumably by color/model and also by the presence of bullet holes in the car.

That sounds pretty confirmed to me, though correct me if I'm wrong on any statement of fact.

Drive by shooting, not murder. It is my understanding that the person they shot at survived the shooting.
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I guess the only issue I have with that though is it basically comes down the the fact that there is literally no reason not to run from police if you have just committed a grave crime. Just drop your weapon and book it and hope for the best, since you just likely committed murder or something.
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Fleeing felon rule
From Wikipedia

At common law, the fleeing felon rule permits the use of force, including deadly force, against an individual who is suspected of a felony and is in clear flight. According to David Caplan "Immediate stopping of the fleeing felon, whether actually or presumably dangerous, was deemed absolutely necessary for the security of the people in a free state, and for maintaining the "public security." ... " Indeed, it has been said that the social policy of the common law in this matter was not only to threaten dangerous felons and hence deter them, but was also to induce them to "surrender peaceably" if they dared commit inherently dangerous felonies, rather than allow them to "escape trial for their crimes." [1]

Goes on to say:

U.S. law

Under U.S. law the fleeing felon rule was limited in 1985 to non-lethal force in most cases by Tennessee v. Garner, 471 U.S. 1. The justices held that deadly force "may not be used unless necessary to prevent the escape and the officer has probable cause to believe that the suspect poses a significant threat of death or serious bodily harm to the officer or others."[2]

A police officer may not seize an unarmed, nondangerous suspect by shooting him dead...however...Where the officer has probable cause to believe that the suspect poses a threat of serious physical harm, either to the officer or to others, it is not constitutionally unreasonable to prevent escape by using deadly force.

Justice Byron White, Tennessee v. Garner[3]
Fleeing felons may be followed into places not open to the public without a warrant if the officer is in "hot pursuit[4]." Deadly force that is executed by a co-defendant against an accomplice is not justified by the fleeing felon rule.

Seems like this was very clearly a mistake by the officer. If he was actually just sworn in a matter of hours before the incident I wonder how much his inexperience contributed.
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Various fan fictions that maintain the integrity of the characters personalities have convinced me Harry x Hermione is the correct pairing. Idk who Ron ends up with but im okay with that.
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Yeah, just reading that was giving me traumatic flashbacks. A trigger warning would have been nice :P
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I discovered in my recent 1.5 game that you get xp from the victory itself in 1.5 regardless of techs. You also get tech xp of course.
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I refuse to leave the starting island until i have more wins than Riku. Usually farm a couple levels from Wakka so i can take an extra hit from him.
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Giants still on pace for that 81-81 season. And only 5 games back. Mediocrity might be sufficient for the postseason in the NL West.
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greengravy294 posted...

don't pretend like you aren't miserable as well meow1000

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Chris answers mafia questions to the best of his ability while we wait for Gravy

Plot twist, now chris has to continue answering questions until this topic purges. I'm sure that was gravy's plan all along.
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Oh I hadn't checked the other topic and didn't know that gravy had actually called his game off.

In
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If i didn't watch 1-4 will i understand what's going on?
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Yeah, Ursula was my big struggle recently in my playthrough, it mostly just comes down to properly using Mermaid Kick for mobility. This is difficult because the controls in KH1 can be pretty ass sometimes, but since you can mermaid kick faster than she can suck you in, and you can use lateral movement faster than her FACE LASERS can track you, you can actually pretty safely avoid most of her damage through proper movement. But for FACE LASERS you wanted to be closer to her and not on the very outer edge of range because then you could cover more degrees of the circle faster than her rotation. At least that's what I remember doing the trick.

Alternatively you head back to Traverse Town and start crafting accessories until you craft yourself several lightning reduction accessories for everyone in your party and then she'll do next to no damage <_<. This method makes the fight easier but takes significantly longer to prepare for.
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So he is also outspoken against Harry Potter too then?
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Journey had a globalist agenda? It didn't even have lines :/
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I don't think anyone thought i was being a nonhuman, but i appreciate it just the same.

Not to mention you were going to have to at some point when they let you join a mafia game anyways.
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swordz9 posted...

...there are two states for Cars. What Universe is this where even ONE state would like ANY Cars movie most

I feel like this map is secretly based on some sort of stereotype/joke for each state

I live in New Mexico and called Cars cause I was like "herp Mexicans like carz" but there's no way it's accurate

I feel like being a part of the route 66 culture that is in the movie could contribute to this.
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Scrounging dust should be easy with the new quests.
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*Slow motion uses a small mirror to direct light into SEP's eyes*
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This is a good time to do it.

I got 1.5 and 2.5 on ps4 earlier this year so i could play all 6 games before 3 comes out.
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X_Dante_X posted...

on the contrary you should definitely do it

I'm with dante on this one. If the money isn't an issue then knock yourself out. Should be fun!
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Correlation is definitely causation.

I heard that once so that must mean it's true.
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davidponte posted...

This response should be glorious

I would appreciate how accurate you feel my turn analysis is, david. I know you also play at a fairly high level and want to make sure I'm not being unfairly biased just because it's him.
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To me the article talks about him going into different areas and expressing his positions and what can be done to help, to the point of promoting things like ACA to crowds that are not supportive of it.

That doesn't sound like pandering to me :/
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Suprak the Stud posted...

https://fivethirtyeight.com/features/doug-jones-thinks-hes-supposed-to-be-here/

Heres what I think is a really good article on Doug Jones.

Fantastic read. I'm not holding my breath about his chances in 2020 (it sucks he wasn't up again either this year or 2022), but he sounds like an incredibly qualified individual and I really appreciate his approach to moderation.
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UItimaterializer posted...

Ive said this before, but FD has a learning disorder and cant read past the first grade level:

I see you logged into an alt to post this since i had all those on ignore. How appropriately cowardly

I was also not aware that you typically play on mobile, but it stands to reason you would still have the occasional replay. Also its much easier do keep track of your cards on pc. Maybe you should consider playing on PC more to counteract got your apparent lack of skill.
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Lets not forget ulti also said this when he was playing spiteful druid:

The last five cards in my deck last game were Ultimate Infestation x2, Summoner x2, and Grand Archivist.

To which i said:

Replay link?
Because unless i am mathing wrong i think the chance of that happening is 142,506 to 1.

I wouldn't mind if ulti would just say "dang i have bad luck sometimes", but he feels the need to trump it up with the most absurd falsehoods.

He's already shown he keeps replays but can't be bothered to post any that would corroborate his claims. Which you think he would be happy to do if only to point at and say "SEE LOOK" as though the one time he told the truth suddenly makes everything else true as well.
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UltimaterializerX posted...

13 in 132. A priest played benedictus twice and was able to play three FLJ (one extra came from Oracle) before I drew my one.

Anyone who thinks I use hyperbole is an idiot. Hearthstone in no way factors player skill into winning. It is 100% draw luck and rng. There are no other factors.

Replay or you are a liar.
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Kettch just spectated a spectacularly unfortunate arena match.

It's a rogue draft where Murozond was my first card. So I took a lot of low cost cards, and cards that would help me draw into murozond if I didn't get him early. These include the 4 cost that shuffles your hand back into your deck and the combo minion that draws 2 minions from your deck. I've maximized my chances of being able to play it as early as possible.

So I'm against a druid and the board is in a fairly even state as I'm approaching my Murozond turn. The only unfortunate thing is my hand is actually fairly full at this point from still having coin and from stealing the top card from his deck, but I know it's still the right play and i'll be able to create card space the following turn, I just need to play 3 cards a turn to stay ahead of burning, right? No way he should keep up with that pace...right?

So I start to go off and over the next couple of turns i'm developing quite a board. I had 2 of the "costs 1 less for every card you've drawn" 8/8s that I'm able to play for 1 mana apiece and was generally able to go wide and tall at the same time. My hand is still sitting around 7 or 8 cards though.

And he plays naturalize on one of the 8/8s. Now i'm definitely going to burn some more cards. But my board is still strong, this is fine.

He plays the "shuffle hand back into deck" and draws into... a 2nd naturalize! Now the other 8/8 is gone and i just have a few small to mid sized minions lingering. And I'm sitting at 10 cards before even drawing my 3.

But it's okay, his turn is over and I go wide with 4 additional minions. I still have a few cards left in my deck and this should be fi-

THREE? THREE NATURALIZES!? WHO DRAFTS THREE NATURALIZES?! DID HE SPECIFICALLY TECH HIS DRAFT AGAINST DECKS WITH MUROZOND?! YOU WOULD FALL SO FAR BEHIND AGAINST LITERALLY ANY OTHER DECK. (this was literally my out loud response when that happened)

He followed that one up with a starfall and a swipe (or maybe the swipe came the turn before?) and so not only do i have hardly any part of a board, but I haven't been able to get in enough damage and I don't even have time to build a new board because there are so few cards left in my deck. So I lose to fatigue -_-

0-1 with a deck that I'm still convinced will be good for 10+ wins. It was just an unexpected and almost hilarious way to lose to what appeared to be a terrible deck with my deck that I feel is fantastic.
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metroid composite posted...

That said, ordinary people like moist of B8, when someone asks us a direct question, we're not going to dodge and avoid answering the question completely.

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Red sox you are being semantical AF.

Trump says shitty things. A lot.

It should not be okay that our president says shitty things. A lot.

The fact that we know the things he says are shitty should not excuse the fact that he's saying them.

That's it. That's the bottom line.

We don't care how it gets dressed up and justified. We don't care if murder is worse than "puffery". We care that our president has proven himself to be not honest. And not in the normal president way of being not honest where they speak carefully and don't always say exactly what they mean. But in the literally presenting lies as facts and not giving a fuck as long as it benefits himself in some way.

And it isn't simply because he's a departure from business as usual. Its possible to have a politician who is atypical and have them not be an embarrassment on the global stage.

Not every single thing he does is indefensible, but when is IS doing indefensible shit we shouldn't have to categorically prove all his slight wrongs before we can decry his major wrongs.

Us: goddamn all trump does is lie.

You: nuh-uh, he said the sky was blue once

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Yes we should be challenged in our beliefs and its important to ask the difficult questions. But for fucks sake sometimes that isn't necessary and we should just be able to cry out with one voice against the utterly monstrous things our president is a party to.

Some how, some way the fact that he has dozens if not hundreds of scandals has created some kind of scandal fatigue and no one scandal can reach the normal conclusion where the perpetrator gets justice served upon them. And when scandal fatigue is not making him bulletproof there are people like you who are going out of your way to defend his sky is blue comments and generally muddy the waters.

Show me someone who is half as racist and corrupt and narcissistic and dishonest as our president and ill show you someone i won't waste my time defending on the rare occasions they aren't lying outright.
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Johnbobb posted...

UltimaterializerX posted...

alakazamtrainer

I legitimately read this as ultimaterializer

Literally obsessed...
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ColZach posted...

I have ulti on block, do I have to take him off if he gets in?

Yup, but then he has to unblock me as well. It will be glorious.
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"Hunter Strickland fractured his right hand punching a door after his blown save against the Marlins on Monday. Strickland needs surgery to repair the fracture and is expected to miss at least six to eight weeks."

Well that's not what we needed right now.
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O_o
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VeryInsane posted...

Have you by any chance considered not being a pathological liar.

FTFY
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