Lurker > Forceful_Dragon

DoomTheGyarados posted...[D2, T4, P166]

ColZach posted...

My scum reads today are what they are because most of today has been wasted now on pressuring me for bad reasons.

On the other hand maybe Scare is onto something.

DoomTheGyarados posted...

What are the good reasons to pressure you, Zach?

I liked this exchange between Chris and himself.
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~C~ FD
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FFS people need to learn how to structure quotes and responses.

It was Fake earlier in the game and I'm on a ColZach post that is damn unreadable (T4, P65). Yeah it tries to italicize or some crap, but it's just a mess.

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And then sultan makes a post that actually mirrors what i've been thinking through this Zach/Scare fight.

TheSultanOfSlam posted...

I think this was scares plan to pick a thing with Zach to make us not suspicious of the nana of it all!

It definitely has established a different identity in Scare vs ColZach than the attention that Nana was getting before the replacement. There also didn't seem to be a huge gap of time between nana doing things and scare replacing in, which seems pretty odd for a vanilla slot.
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~C~ FD
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ChaosTonyV4 posted...

Someone ask me questions.

What is your favorite food group?
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~C~ FD
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ChaosTonyV4 posted...

I thought the Sultan quote was something like so Chris keeps me around.

This is not accurate.

TheSultanOfSlam posted...[D1, T1, P445]

Hi Chris, well my thoughts on you are you seem to be very knowledgeable and might be useful to keep around for a bit even if on the other side because you find a way to get something out of people that could be useful.

Also the banter could be a little useful

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~C~ FD
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Blade in topic 3: FD is the most divisive player as far as reads go, we need more from him.

Blade in THIS topic: Honestly I only read like 10% of what FD just said.

Wut :/
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~C~ FD
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:/

Also I'm noticing that zam is mentioning me and how much I'm "focusing him" in nearly every single post he makes.

It might warrant a full iso at some point, but certainly since my initial walls during day 1 it has come up in his posts with alarmingly high frequency.

For starters I am not "focusing him" because I'm covering a lot of territory, and for seconders(?) it reads to me like he has been coached to bring it up as much as possible to try and get me to respond emotionally to it. Because it's just more examples of zam saying crappy things that dont make sense and honestly seeing it come up so much DOES make me want to respond to it a bunch (like I'm doing now).

Like T3, P431 is just a bad post from Zam all around.
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~C~ FD
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Meow1000 posted...

Wait FD might actually stay around this time wtf

Forceful_Dragon posted...

I can still participate before I have to leave for work.

You have me for 2 hours and 15ish minutes!

About finished with the super-fast-skim on topic 3.

And they were dismissed but I feel like I'm in the minority and actually liked the points red raised about Nana "not seeing topic 3" and how it couldn't have been a standard modpoke 1 hour into the day. It might be flirting with meta discussion to talk about it but it seems to mean that some kind of...something happened that resulted in nana receiving a PM of some kind of some other kind of other way to realize the day started. Especially since nana was so cagey about saying how he knew about topic 3. So there is some logic to it.

-Nana essentially claims vanilla because you can't be into the new day without realizing the first day ended if you had an action to send.
-But then Nana wont say how he knew about the new topic (for reasons?)
-The prosty/hugger was lynched so we can say it wasn't there.

What even else would send a message to the person targetted?

It's a bizarre situation all around I guess.

But, skimming on!
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~C~ FD
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I fell asleep during Spain vs Slovakia. (Spain won)

But I'm awake and doing a super fast skim of all the posts from T3 P50 to current so I can still participate before I have to leave for work. Okay, back to it!
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~C~ FD
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Alakazamtrainer posted...[D1, T2, P380]

I'm debating on to drop the vote, but, I'm on FD because he's so focused on me that he isn't even looking at others.

This is just factually incorrect. I covered a lot of ground in those walls, just as I'm covering a lot of ground now. You got quoted more than most because of the terrrrrrrrible things that you were doing. The fact that you don't see this is incomprehensible to me.

And the rest of this post because why not.

Alakazamtrainer posted...[D1, T2, P380]

However my random thoughts

The emoji duo: annoying but I think both are town.

Nana: I'm leaning scum only for the reason he's inactive and being pointed about little things

Zach also leaning scum, but really it's more of a gut.

I'll be on and off till eod

Look at this shit.

Like really look at this shitty end of day post. He has presumably been reading along or at least skimming and presumably has the capacity to use his brain to think thoughts and THIS is all he can come up with for his lasting impression for the final hour(ish) of day 1?

He literally doesn't even realize who "The Emoji Duo" is that he is claiming to seem town because he goes on to call Zach scum two lines later. He is literally just calling them town because they spammed emojis, without even committing to memory the names of the users that he is claiming to be town?

THIS is not the kind of content that someone who is town provides. This is the fake content that someone says to appear like they are participating.

...and of course it is followed by people justifying and handwaving zam's incompetence.

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Meow1000 posted...[D1, T3, P015]

There's zero chance I'm getting off of him if he can't answer my questions because as far as I'm concerned he's done nothing but prove he's been here but not actually reading the topic.

The Nana vote was also awful and contextless.

This bit right here resonates. When i first saw that it was difficult to believe he actually flipped town. Even something as simple as a "I'm here, what's this now about lynching me" or "I'm town and Naha might not be so i have to preserve myself" would have been better than nothing. But all the factors together put some really terrible optics on 5tar's arrive

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I'll be watching HGG matches (Hearthstone Global Games) and grabbing some grub while I proceed, but I'm into day 3 now and will hopefully not pass out like last night. I feel like there was some pretty good stuff to look at from day 1 even though I had already skimmed those bits.
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~C~ FD
https://imgur.com/dGDfxaw

Meow1000 posted...[D1, T2, P270]

Oh Chris hot take on Plum calling FD scum for being "flustered" because you probably know the guy better than I do

DoomTheGyarados posted...[D1, T2, P271]

Plum isn't always the best at reading people but FD getting pissy as town and going off on people was a highlight, from scum perspective, of Phoenix Wright mafia. Not sure which player you wanted to ask about but FD being pissy is a town thing for him (until I see hm fake it as scum anyway) and null for plum afaik

This baffles me as much as plum saying it to begin with.

At what point have I given the appearance of being flustered?

1) Zam said and did stupid things.

2) I pointed them out and voted him.

3) He said more stupid things.

4) I said why they were stupid.

5) ???

6) Flustered?

Yeah I'm a bit annoyed at everyone else for letting zam be literally the worst with zero consequences because maybe he's just a dumb town. Or maybe, when someone does things that only scum should ever do, we should vote that person.

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Meow1000 posted...[D1, T2, P329]

ColZach posted...

This day 1 is terrible. Scum has town running in circles and Im just pissed off now.

Is it 1 hour and 20 until deadline or two 20?

That was day 1 in Blade Mafia 5. Hell, that was the entire game.

But this suggests you have a scum list. Chris alone can't be the "scum has town running in circles".

So let's hear it.

I agree that nana should have been doing more at this point, but I disagree that the 'scum has town running in circles' line is indicative of a scumlist existing.

You don't have to know who scum is to see when town is lacking focus and is going in several different directions. And sure, it could be town pulling itself in different direction, but even then it's scum that is allowing that to happen.

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Meow1000 posted...[D1, T2, P335]

Oh and yes, it does. To think scum has town running in circles, it means you at the very least think the majority of highest posters are scum.

This is...actually a very good counterpoint to what I just said.

But even so I think you could maintain that scum is behind the lack of focus even if they are not the ones posting the most.

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ColZach posted...[D1, T2, P350]

I swear to Bugs Bunny

Watch your tongue, you leave the big guy outta this.
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~C~ FD
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FakeAccount3000 posted...[D1, T2, P202]

Nana have you at least considered the possibility Im someone who has never played mafia before so Im not going over it as closely as you.

Look at it this way: most of your rebuttals to me have been that you think Im. Or even paying attention, you said what a couple times and insinuated I made no sense.

How is it Im borderline incoherent in my defense and also using secret strategy message boards and know far too much for a newbie? These are incompatible ideas.

they are not incompatible ideas because it's very easy to pretend that you don't know what something is. It is almost easier to believe that you would be pretending to not know at this point than that you would still not be understanding the fundamental concept of a scum board.

Honestly neither Fake or Nana are looking good to me through this now. Though nana's is mostly relating to the post about how being mad isn't a scum tell.

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masterplum posted...[D1, T2, P222]

My read is that FD is scum and is flustered because town is randomly attacking him for a hilariously asinine non-tell

I honestly wish plum was still alive because I am incredibly curious to know where the word "flustered" came from.

I am not currently flustered.
I was not previously flustered.

I don't feel like I'm in a position where I need to explain myself for any reason. I am putting as much time as I have to the best use I can put it towards the game. It is a baffling take.

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ChaosTonyV4 posted...[D1, T2, P247]

Forceful_Dragon posted...

Maybe I was just too pleased with the fluff that he was saying that I didn't recognize it for what it was, But the iso from Ashe on page 3 is actually pretty convincing. That's a whole lot of nothing in those 21 posts.

As much and more than 75% of the game, but let's go with that.

Whataboutism.

You can't defend your posts being fluffy by saying other people are doing it too. That isn't a defense. If anything it's an admission of guilt.

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ChaosTonyV4 posted...[D1, T2, P260]

I watched a lot of Tiny Toons as a kid, and I BARELY remember Lil Sneezer, so I dunno.

That sounds like a you-problem then. It was a pretty dang obvious indicator. Maybe you should have made an offhand remark about how you have been having really bad allergies in real life or something more obscure.

Also you made a point to say you always leave a hint to your flavor, but what do you do when you are scum? Wouldn't you also leave a hint to the flavor that you intend to fake? Or is that something you literally only do as town and as scum you have a post that is damningly devoid of a hint? That doesn't sound very smart.

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~C~ FD
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Scare, I am not scum.

I am going to be very curious to see why you think that I am when I get to your replacing in.

And I just checked to see who you replaced and it was nana, interesting. Your slot isn't looking so hot so far :/
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~C~ FD
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Nanahara715 posted...[D1, T2, P190]

FakeAccount3000 posted...

How is asking you a question about your behavior not questioning your behavior?

Are you fucking high? He asked for the reasoning for my vote and I gave it to him.

When you posted about me, no one was "questioning Nana", so it looks like you were looking for approval to try to train on me.

DoomTheGyarados posted...[D1, T2, P194]

Red, of course it is fake anger. he's angry at fake.

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I don't like Nana going so hard here (seriously this is just absurd at this point) and Tony's fluff problem was worse than I even realized.

Honestly going through this exchange I feel myself agreeing with Nana. Fake was not questioning nana, but fake did seem to be probing other people about nana as though he needed more justification before he felt safe enough to drop a vote.

I think in nana's shoes I'd be going off as well. BUUUT with that said...

Leafeon13N posted...[D1, T2, P197]

Nanahara715 posted...

Leafeon13N posted...

Nana is that fake anger. That seems awfully angry. Unnecessarily so.

I don't fake anger, but that isn't to say I don't get angry as both Town and scum. I get accused a lot of "faking anger" though.

Why not just say you are angry town here instead of the ambiguous explanation.

Yeahh... When you are mad you don't explain how your madness does or does not correlate to your scum play. You continue to smash keys in your rage like the justifiably pissed off town you are.
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~C~ FD
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TheSultanOfSlam posted...[D1, T2, P185]

Force ful dragon

Fd ffd same thing

I will end you.

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FakeAccount3000 posted...[D1, T2, P177]

Im aware its a thing you guys have been talking about. Someone is using an old game board for mafia discussion or something I assume?

Honestly this post for me starts to cross into the "intentionally oblivious territory" ane makes me suspicious. It's almost like Fake is trying to hard to not understand the concept of a scum board to the point of "I'll make a post that implies that I think the scum board is on a random dead board and it will look like i think that because I'm new and don't realize different websides are used for that kind of thing".

This particular post just sits funny to me.

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red13n posted...[D1, T2, P180]

nana has been...inactive.

This post came at an odd time considering Nana was in the middle of a very active and very visible back and forth with Fake.

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~C~ FD
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FakeAccount3000 posted...[D1, T2, P122]

Actually, I was trying to play the ask questions game. But sure, Ill vote for you.

##NANAHARA217

Im as serious as I need to be since youre doubling down on me with no proof of any kind.

Were you trying to play the questions game? Because I don't see any questions.

I see these:

FakeAccount3000 posted...

Theres nothing youve done to convince me youre town. Convince me. Clearly youve been reading.

FakeAccount3000 posted...

Its also telling the only times you show up are to talk about me.

Even if you take this back to the previous page you get these:

FakeAccount3000 posted...

Doom, how do you feel about Nana?

FakeAccount3000 posted...

Then he deflects the conversation by "accidentally" posting about basketball and only starts cornering me again after I'm alone because I made a newbie mistake and deleted a post. Is this a coincidence?

If voting me was just testing the waters, why is he just letting it ride? Has he just not had time to come back yet?

And those posts contain question makes, yes, but you are questioning other people ABOUT nana. You are not questioning nana.

And yes getting other people's stances are important too, but it's an odd line of attack against nana to say "convince me you are town" and "I was playing the question game" when you... didn't ask nana any questions.

Not a great look for Fake in this Fake/Nana interaction.

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Alakazamtrainer posted...[D1, T2, P166]

Scummoning happen twice is.... concerning

Corrik posted...[D1, T2, P167]

##unvote:
##vote: Forceful

This was it? This was why corrik ended on me day 1? Because I showed up to post before work at the same time i'd shown up to post before work the previous day?

Day still had 5 hours left and i'm not sure when corrik stopped being around, but that's a poor reason to leave a day-ending vote.

And as red said, my posting habits do not change regardless of alignment. If I have time, I'm using it to post, when I don't have time, I don't.
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~C~ FD
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Leafeon13N posted...[D1, T2, P048]

The fact that fd doesnt catch this as an immediate joke bothers the heck out of me. (i was very clearly making fun of the recent day 1s).

Except...that's not how all recent day 1's have gone down?

On day 1 prof had 9 votes and chris had 7 votes. Neither was a new player and both were scum. I mean we did sort of revert to that with this game, but with a very recent example of that not happening I couldn't just assume you were joking, and it doesn't make the joke not in poor taste.

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DoomTheGyarados posted...[D1, T2, P063]

Ah, you didn't get it - but that's alright.

The best thing you can do is to ask questions and challenge people on their opinions. You will note I have asked for perspective several times and that is because it makes people take stances. Stances which can be used for or against them as the game continues, depending on their answers.

This always always always bears repeating.

As town you should not be afraid to say what you think about people and you should not be concerned that you are going to be wrong sometimes, but one of the hardest things for scum to do is to maintain an indistinguishable and unshakeable town perspective throughout the entire game. The more questions they are asked the more chances there are that they make a mistake, or say too much, or have to make a difficult decision about publicly siding with or against a scummate or someone they know is town.

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red13n posted...

Hi FD you missed a lot.

Yes, I ended up getting a lot of much needed sleep.

ScareChan posted...

yeah thanks for topic but contribute now please

Umm, okay? I don't need you to tell me how to play.
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~C~ FD
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TheSultanOfSlam posted...[D1, T2, P013]

Tony- Tony and col zach are on opposite sides and it really showed in the banter and that I believe that zach is the one who is town so that would leave Tony as the scumm

I'm going to ignore for the second that you said Tony and Col ARE on opposite sides. A definitive term ARE on opposites sides instead of SEEM TO BE on opposite sides.

Setting that aside, this is something I really think you need to explain more. How does the "banter" prove they are on opposide sides. Banter by its nature is something that is back and forth, and if one of them is town they don't whether or not the other is on their side or not so it's not something that could come across for their half of the conversation. The most you could generally make based on an interaction between two people is say "this makes it seem like these two people are not scum together". You seem to be deriving something else entirely from their interaction and I really don't see how you are getting to those conclusions.

Now back to that other thing, what the HELL do you mean they "ARE" on opposite sides. I didn't notice this previous to this read through and I do not like it one bit. Right now I would not be the slightest surprised if Sultan is scum with one of Tony and ColZach. And since I'm believing in Tony (based on his Bzzt post) I'm looking at Sultan/Zach scummates right now.

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DoomTheGyarados posted...[D1, T2, P022]

You know if you were paying close attention you'd see that I do have a few in my town pile...!

I actually agree though - I have not liked how so much suspicion has fallen on Alakazam and Sultan early on because it feels mostly (FD calm down) lazy.

I still don't understand this. I see someone behaving erratically and doing things that town should not do. Why should I stand down? If he wan't to not attract the kind of negative attention that I'm going to bring his way then maybe he needs to level up his town play, if that's even what this is.

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Ashethan posted...[D1, T2, P030]

People keep saying Red's different, but I don't see it. He was kind of playful last game if I remember correctly.

Saying things like:

red13n
06/26/18 2:23:39 PM
72
we just lynch shad immediately upon return, of course.

red13n
06/26/18 4:28:50 PM
120
are you saying you are a tree stump?

Those seem pretty playful to me.

I like this post from Ashe and the effort that was taken to support the conclusion. In this instance I don't agree that Blade Mafia red was being as playful as he has been this game, but I can appreciate the point that playful red is not completely unique to this game.

I believe Ashe is also the one who provides the fluffy Tony iso, so gold star for that as well.

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Alakazamtrainer posted...[D1, T2, P043]

5tarscream posted...

I dont think Sultan has the experience to go after Tony on the back of you as the first scum vote on town.
I think he was simply trying to divert attention away from Zam AND he wanted to get some attention on Ashe and Tony was already leading that way.
I guess my read from that is Sultan and Zam scum. Ashe and Tony town.

Yeah... No I semi claimed already

How is that an appropriate response to 5tar's post? How does you claiming vanilla affect how likely you are to be scum? That's like the number one thing that scum claims.
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~C~ FD
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Corrik posted...[D1, T1, P448]

So does sultan just have a bad way with words? I feel like almost every post I could be like... What does that mean...

Ironically you picked a very poor way to express that thought.

And I think the issue with Sultan's word choice isn't that you don't know what it means, but that the more obvious meanings paint him in a very negative light. Such as him saying Chris could be useful to "keep around".

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TheSultanOfSlam posted...[D1, T1, P453]

MZero11 posted...

It is, but you implied you either A) have enough leverage to lynch him when he has like no votes or suspicion on him or B) you're scum

Or C) you are town but have a killing power

So you are saying i could be anything good job detective you cracked the case lol

That's not "anything" though. And it's really just B or C because you clearly don't have A which doesn't leave a lot of room for you to phrasing that from a town perspective.

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Corrik posted...[D1, T1, P465]

Honestly, I do not blame plum. If FFD was scanned town via the host in bold, I would still probably not ever listen to him/or trust his analysis. He made it extremely clear after last game in the post game that he has an extreme, let me think how to phrase this nicely, failure when it unfortunately comes to making logical conclusions.

Umm, what the hell does this even mean? What did we even talk about in the post game of Blade Mafia that would lead you to say that? I consider myself to be a very logical person so this is a claim I actually take quite personally.

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Corrik posted...[D1, T2, P005]

masterplum posted...

I didnt realize Mzero was playing which probably isnt a good sign

Yeah it is probably a bad sign you didn't realize he replaced in.

I can understand targetting inactives when all else is equal. It will put more pressure on people to be active and it's generally a good thing. But it's also an easy way to appear like you yourself are doing something and so I'm not crazy about Corrik's focus on plum, particularly when he was far from the only inactive person at this point. So even putting aside the fact that plum is a confirmed town, I feel like this was an "easy" thing for Corrik to have spent effort on day 1, especially since there were people actually doing things that were worth being called out for more than your run of the mill inactivity.
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~C~ FD
https://imgur.com/dGDfxaw

The REAL NEW TOPIC:
(This time with a #5 in the title instead of a #4)

https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/boards/8-gamefaqs-contests/76836542
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~C~ FD
https://imgur.com/dGDfxaw

The Playerlist
1. Alakazamtrainer
2. Ashetan
3. ChaosTonyV4
4. ColZach
5. Corrik
6. DoomTheGyarados (Chris)
7. FakeAccount3000
8. Forceful_Dragon
9. IfGodCouldDie
10. Meow1000 (Blade)
11. Nanahara715
12. pjbasis
13. red13n
14. TheSultanOfSlam

THE DEAD
[LD1] 5tarscream - Elmyra Duff, TINYTOON Hugger
[NK1] masterplum - Dizzy Devil, TINYTOON Dizzy

With 14 alive, it takes 8 to lynch. Day will end Tuesday at 11pm EST.
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~C~ FD
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NEW TOPIC
https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/boards/8-gamefaqs-contests/76836541
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~C~ FD
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