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"It is time we shift the next phase of our organizing and move from direct action to virtual activism," the message read in part.

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lolife67 posted...

What they were considered is irrelevant. The point is proximity and that they weren't targeting a completely different race, as was the case with American chattel slavery.

And nobody claimed having black slaves was just a European thing (I actually was making the opposite point.) But Europeans didn't enslave other Europeans the way they did black people. The Ottoman's were much more equal opportunists. They'd go after whoever got caught slipping.

Except the term for slave being synonymous with black would carry obvious deep connotations of racism here. "Opportunistc" Arabs only call one part of the human family: slaves

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Atralis posted...

"Cultural genocide" has always seemed a bit of a stretch of the term genocide to me. Did the Muslims commit cultural genocide when they converted the Persians to Islam? Did Christian missionaries commit cultural genocide in Samoa?

It pretty much diminishes what the Holocaust and similar events were. The Nazis weren't trying to get rid of Judaism like the inquisitors were, they were trying to get of the Jews

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lolife67 posted...

That would probably be because the first slaves likely were "black" (and enslaved by other "black" people) but not sure what that has to do with anything I posted?

They still use it for black people. Also the Barbary pirates weren't considered black. The point is black slaves wasn't just some European thing, vast majority of Arab slaves were Sub-Saharan African

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lolife67 posted...

North African slavery didn't ONLY target one specific race/ethnicity, they were opportunists and were also enslaving other Africans, too. It was committed by pirates, aka criminals and wasn't actually sanctioned by the "ruling" government (there was no centralized government really.) Also, unlike American slavery, changing to their religion (Islam) would allow you to go free.

Umm the Arabic word "Abeed" means slave and was pretty much synonymous for black person. I'll give a hint, this was before 1492

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MachineJaipur posted...

Wouldn't the erasure of culture basically be the same thing?

Do we have the Europeans trying to erase all traces of tribes like Yoruba, Twi or Egbo? We they trying to wash humanity clean of the black race?

No one is saying slavery wasn't bad, just that it wasn't genocide

coh posted...

If American slavery was genocide then what about slavery elsewhere? Slavery that's still going on today in fact?

There seems to be this notion that slavery in America was somehow unique which isn't true at all

It is because it caters to the prejudices of the American people. As brought up before, the people who talk about slavery never bring up why Brazil isn't Angola 2.0 nor the African slave trade the Arabs did (along with pretty much everyone else). Do we say the defeats of Celts and Phoenicians were genocide?

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lolife67 posted...

I didn't see "actively" stated anywhere in the definition. And they did have programs designed to destroy black people in the way I described, so even then they were proactive with it. It didn't just occur out of nowhere with no rhyme/reason.

The "intent to destroy" implies the action is deliberate and active. They would have had to try to erase black people

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lolife67 posted...

You can "destroy" someone physically, as well as mentally/emotionally. They wiped out and tried to replace any/all cultural of the slaves. They wanted to take away their humanity and treated them as objects.

Genocide is trying to destroy a tribe actively. The Nazi's actively tried to destroy the Jewish race. The Turks actively tried to destroy the Armenian race. That isn't what happened with slavery. The Europeans would have had to have progoms to kill black people and not as slaves for economics

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Kastrada posted...

It literally says "In part or in whole". Genocide does not just mean "wipe out everyone". It's about taking a group of people and inflicting so much harm on them, physical or otherwise, to where they just aren't anything anymore.

It says "destroy" before that and also "to bring destruction". The slave masters weren't trying to do exactly that since that was their economy

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Kastrada posted...

"any of the following acts committed with intent to destroy, in whole or in part, a national, ethnical, racial or religious group, as such: killing members of the group; causing serious bodily or mental harm to members of the group; deliberately inflicting on the group conditions of life calculated to bring about its physical destruction in whole or in part1 ; imposing measures intended to prevent births within the group; [and] forcibly transferring children of the group to another group."

From the UN right after the Holocaust.

Killing/murder slaves? That's a given. Not on a mass scale since they were property but it's still there.
The issue is that they took people and turned them into not-people. Demoralized, subjected to torture, rape, hardships. Destroyed their entire culture, ripped families apart, children, breeded them.

It was a genocide. Nazi's mass murdered in their genocide. American slavers turned people into beasts of burden in their genocide.

I fail to see where they tried to destroy Sub-Saharan Africans here (especially since the population in the states exploded compared to other places). Not saying it wasn't horrible, just not: we are trying to actively mow down an ethnic group

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whitelytning posted...

American slavery was not a genocide by any definition I have seen or can think of. "Genocide" applies that one race is trying to kill/remove/erase/destroy/etc., another race. Slavery is different because the enslaved race has an inherent value to the oppressors. It is horrible, unjust, terrible, all those things, but it is different than genocide.

I'm not trying to hijack the thread or defend the American slavery system. I am not a confederate supporter or white supremacist or anything like that. As terrible as it was, I just think you are wrong to call American slavery a genocide.

My issue with it. The slave decendents here in the states grew exponentially. Genocide ain't down with that. I do wish sugar plantations got as much flack as the cottons ones (why isn't Brazil Angola?)

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Most black people may say that, but genocide isn't really a thing until the Great War but especially associated with the holocaust. Everything else is looked at retroactively.

Slavery was an evil institution, but an economic one not ethnic cleansing

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onedarksoul posted...

Why isn't CA on the list?

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FursonaNonGrata posted...

You always post shit like this in bad faith and its so obvious. Fuck off.

It's a NYT article posted word for word (since they have a paywall)

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Mitchell Ericksons fingers began dialing 911 last week before he had a chance to even consider alternatives, when two black teenagers who looked to be 15, at most, cornered him outside his home a block away from the park.
One of the boys pointed a gun at Mr. Ericksons chest, demanding his car keys.
Flustered, Mr. Erickson handed over a set, but it turned out to be house keys. The teenagers got frustrated and ran off, then stole a different car down the street.
Mr. Erickson said later that he would not cooperate with prosecutors in a case against the boys. After the altercation, he realized that if there was anything he wanted, it was to offer them help. But he still felt it had been right to call the authorities because there was a gun involved.
Two days after an initial conversation, his position had evolved. Been thinking more about it, he wrote in a text message. I regret calling the police. It was my instinct but I wish it hadnt been. I put those boys in danger of death by calling the cops.What about the fact that the boys had put his life in danger?
Yeah I know and yeah it was scary but the cops didnt really have much to add after I called them, he replied. I havent been forced to think like this before. So I would have lost my car. So what? At least no one would have been killed.

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The impulse many white Powderhorn Park residents have to seek help from community groups rather than from the police is being felt in neighborhoods across the country. But some are finding the commitment hard to stand by when faced with the complex realities of life. While friends, neighbors and even family members in Powderhorn Park agree to avoid calling the police at all costs, it has been harder to establish where to draw the line.
Tobie Miller, Ms. Alberss 34-year-old daughter, lives just a block away from her mother, but lately, she said, they have felt a world apart. Ms. Miller began a concerted effort last year to challenge her own privileges by taking a class on racial biases.
She worries that a lot of what has been written about the camp on community message boards has been influenced by racial profiling. To the extent that illegal activity is going on in the park, Ms. Miller does not blame the tent residents. My feeling around it is those are symptoms of systemic oppression, she said. And thats not on them.
Some of the self-examination she and her mother have done recently has led them to the same place. Ms. Miller came to see her decision to buy a home in the neighborhood as potentially preventing a person of color from doing so. And while Ms. Albers used to feel only pride about the work she put in to revitalizing the community, now, she sees her work as gentrification that may have pushed out nonwhite residents. The neighborhoods black population has dropped more than 5 percent since 2000.
Sheldon Stately Sr., 43, grew up in Powderhorn Park with his grandmother, one of the communitys few black homeowners at the time. He returned there recently in a tent. Mr. Stately said he had been homeless for three years after he could not make rent and lost his identification, which he could not afford to replace.
I would like to get back working and feel better about my life, he said.

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Im not being judgmental, said Carrie Nightshade, 44, who explained that she no longer felt comfortable letting her children, 12 and 9, play in the park by themselves. Its not personal. Its just not safe.
On Friday, she sat in a shared backyard with four other women who live in neighboring houses. The women, four of whom are white, had called a meeting to vent about the camp.
Angelina Roslik burst into tears, explaining that she had spent the past four years fleeing unstable housing conditions and was struggling more than she cared to admit with the chaos the camp had brought into the neighborhood. Linnea Borden said she had stopped walking her dog through the park because she was tired of being catcalled. My emotions change every 30 seconds, said Tria Houser, who is part Native American.
The women agreed to let any property damage, including to their own homes, go ignored and to request a block party permit from the city to limit car traffic. Rather than turn to law enforcement if they saw anyone in physical danger, they resolved to call the American Indian Movement a national organization created in 1968 to address Native American grievances such as police brutality which had been policing its own community locally for years.

But some people in the neighborhood have already found their best-laid plans to avoid calling the police harder to execute than they had imagined.
Last Thursday night, Joseph Menkevich found a black man wearing a hospital bracelet passed out in the elevator of his apartment building two blocks away from the park. Mr. Menkevich, who is white, quickly phoned a community activist but she did not pick up. He felt he had no choice but to call 911, so he did, but requested an ambulance only, not the police.
Ultimately, a white police officer arrived at the scene. The officer checked the situation out briefly and then returned to his squad car.
It didnt resolve in a way that I had hoped, Mr. Menkevich said. All they did was offer to bring him back to the hospital. He refused, so they kicked him out on a rainy night.

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The influx of outsiders has kept Ms. Albers awake at night. Though it is unlikely to happen, she has had visions of people from the tent camp forcing their way into her home. She imagines using a baseball bat to defend herself.
Not being able to call the police, as she has done for decades, has shaken her.
I am afraid, she said. I know my neighbors are around, but Im not feeling grounded in my city at all. Anything could happen.
The video of Mr. Floyds death and the outcry over racial injustice that came after has awakened many white Americans to a reality that people of color have known their whole lives: The scores of police killings they have seen in the news in recent years were not one-off incidents, but part of a systemic problem of the dehumanization of black people by the police.
In the city where the movement began, residents are not surprised that it is being taken especially seriously in Powderhorn Park, just blocks from Mr. Floyds deadly encounter with the police. For decades, the community has been a refuge for scrappy working-class activists with far-left politics. The biggest day of the year, locals often boast, is the May Day parade celebrating laborers.
Though it is one of the most diverse neighborhoods in Minneapolis, with black residents making up about 17 percent of the population, white people make up the largest group. About a third of the population is Latino.
Since the camp appeared, the community has organized shifts for delivering warm meals, medical care and counseling to people living in the park. They persuaded officials to back off an eviction notice served shortly after the campers arrived.
But many in the neighborhood, who were already beleaguered from the financial stresses of the coronavirus, now say they are eager for the campers to move on to stable housing away from the park.

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https://www.nytimes.com/2020/06/24/us/minneapolis-george-floyd-police.html?smid=tw-share

When Shari Albers moved three decades ago into Powderhorn Park, a tree-lined Minneapolis neighborhood known as a haven to leftist activists and bohemian artists like herself, she went to work sprucing it up.
She became a block club leader, organizing her mostly white neighbors to bring in playgrounds and help tackle longstanding issues with crime.
On many nights, she banged on the car windows of men who had come to solicit prostitutes outside her door, she said. She kept meticulous notes when dozens of men would gather in a circle for gang meetings in the park across from her house. After each episode, she called the police.
But times have changed. After the death of George Floyd at the hands of the police, Ms. Albers, who is white, and many of her progressive neighbors have vowed to avoid calling law enforcement into their community. Doing so, they believed, would add to the pain that black residents of Minneapolis were feeling and could put them in danger.
Already, that commitment is being challenged. Two weeks ago, dozens of multicolored tents appeared in the neighborhood park. They were brought by homeless people who were displaced during the unrest that gripped the city. The multiracial group of roughly 300 new residents seems to grow larger and more entrenched every day. They do laundry, listen to music and strategize about how to find permanent housing. Some are hampered by mental illness, addiction or both.
Their presence has drawn heavy car traffic into the neighborhood, some from drug dealers. At least two residents have overdosed in the encampment and had to be taken away in ambulances.

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LeperMessiahXX posted...

I mean I get it, but I'm not sure how enforceable it really is. Even if they can nab everyone who flies in, they can just fly in to a neighboring state and drive in.

My friend said her friend was watched by police during her visit in TX

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HerbSaunders posted...

So either a dumbass racist said the n word and got what he deserved.

Or a dumbass volatile criminal heard a word ending in -er and had to expel his daily quota of anger and violence.

Both are plausible.

Given the evidence we have, the former is not plausible

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MrMallard posted...

Nah, you really shouldn't be surprised when someone slugs you if you have a habit of referring to them via racial slurs.

It's always a shame when people resort to violence, but literally all this guy had to do in order to avoid being hit was not to refer to a black man as the n-word. I don't blame the guy for slugging him.

You like he didn't right?

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I thought it was the Greeks who did

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Gobstoppers12 posted...

BeyondWalls should really have quit while he had some credibility left.

Seriously, how many innocent people are in jail right now?

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eston posted...

I would seriously punch someone in the face for that. I don't care that she's a woman or that she's 60, you lean down and cough in my child's face you'll be waking up when the cops get there

Now this is how instinct works

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Conflict posted...

Let's take the ambiguous story out of the picture and pretend it's a topic of one of those PublicFreakout clips of a drunk racist disrupting the peace, yelling out slurs and getting knocked out

Create a new topic for that please

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Conflict posted...

I mean let's be real. You're never going to see Dathrowed1 in a topic about a racist making a rant and going unpunished. He most definitely does not care about that

Unless it's against white people

I mean I am still stuck where we just know dude said the N-word. Even then you can I don't know report him to the higher ups in his company (which I am sure he would have been fired), they do that at my job all the time

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viewmaster_pi posted...

gee i dunno, not assault someone like a wild fucking animal over words?

report him to HR, ask to see the manager, what is your corporate complaint number?

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BeyondWalls posted...

Because the dude only turned his phone on because the employee said it. Was he supposed to invent a time machine so he could go back and capture the racism? And he had no idea his brother was going to start punching the guy. He turned on the camera to get a recording of the guy being a racist jerk but then his brother went off instead.

Hmm you would think he would actually talk to the guy about saying it before you know sucker punching him? You would think they would demand he said what they thought he said on the camera as well. Also for all we know these two were fishing for a "worldstar" moment.

Dude said "What did you do that for" and guy (nor his brother) doesn't give an explanation of any kind.

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The Trent posted...

man some of you guys are so knowledgeable about things
i'm jealous
i wish i knew how macy's did their investigations too

You would at least think in the video there would be some clues that dude said the N-word. Like in the video, they don't even try showing that was the reason.

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Elmer_Glue posted...

Yeah cuz the CHAZ clearly shows that people can police themselves.

Yup the gift that gives

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1NfamousACE_2 posted...

I'm tired of people saying words shouldn't result in physical violence but white people use that word to provoke the anger.

If they didn't want to provoke physical assault, why use that word?

I mean if the guy said the N word, they could record the incident and report it to Macy's HR department. Then again Macy's said he didnt use the word and the video gives no allusion as well.

Probably doesn't matter since Macy's will find their guy a better lawyer than they can afford

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One_Day_Remains posted...

Actually, it's not

Because they haven't been confirmed to be suicides. Burden of proof doesn't automatically apply to the theory you don't agree with.

Except they have all been so far ruled suicides

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RadiantAdolin posted...

And you were, being right doesn't change that.

Four black men found hanging in three cities in a short span. If you immediately assume they're suicides you're either a troll or need to take a good long hard look at yourself.

You do know the burden of proof that these aren't on suicides is on you right?

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Zikten posted...

if it was just one death maybe I would be convinced. but 4? in 3 cities? it's too bizarre

Zikten... he was being sarcastic

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Awesome posted...

again, macys investigated, he didnt use the n word.

This, there's not even any allusion to this in the video

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jeffhardyb0yz posted...

Again, some black marks. Don't know why some people are expecting some perfect society/dystopia. USA has paramedics and law enforcement walk off the job.

We weren't expecting eutopia, just that they got rid of the police and that they have a serious need for them

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Steelix500 posted...

https://youtu.be/Uo2ITO5ThH8

There was another shooting today

TL;DW

Guy livestreams some of the shooting then hangs around behind cover for a bit. Then someguy steals his phone and takes it to some armed guards and doesn't realize its still streaming.

Pretty funny how if you're not armed the guards call you civillians and treat you like shit.

For whatever reason they don't want people recording

If they are going to be this way, just let the police back in

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jeffhardyb0yz posted...

There's a big difference between a cultural safe space, which in some cases can work, and THIS. Lined up with white people on the outside as decoration lol.

At our protests, white people stood between POC and police as a barrier of deterrence towards the cops. That was okay. This is like decoration or some shit. However, Chaz has impressed me with the people governing themselves. There have been some black marks but all in all, they've been able to organize and create something functional.

They are struggling to get help for victims of shootings (2 in less than 48 hours)

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ThanksUglyGod posted...

No it's not. This is just black people chilling in a park for a few hours. Don't see why anyone would get worked up about that.

Because white people literally walled off the black people in their community

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https://twitter.com/zionist_report/status/1274337412181823489

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So were ProJared and RelaxAlax; they survived

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TopKekBro posted...

yes this will be abused.

I dont feel safe around minorities, gay people, non-evangelicals and liberals *proceeds to let non trumpers bleed to death*

Except we are only seeing this in CHOP

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viewmaster_pi posted...

for real tho, who killed him? why are people dying in there?

I don't think they've found the killers yet

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https://twitter.com/RazSimone/status/1274541843779252229

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https://abc7ny.com/new-york-city-shooting-shootings-in-nyc/6258453/

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Firewerx posted...

I should add that my first wife was a Christian, the daughter of a Baptist minister, and I used to go along to her fellowship and Bible study groups because I suppose it gave her hope that I could still be redeemed. But I never understood, and still don't, the mental gymnastics that faith demands.

What would be the point of even bothering to argue that some archaeological and documentary evidence exists to support the Bible's version of certain events, when faith demands that such evidence is not necessary and should even be ignored if it conflicts with faith? For example: if there were no archaeological or documentary traces anywhere of the cities or civilizations of antiquity referred to in the Old Testament, faith would still demand that we believe they existed.

I struggle to grasp how people actually do manage to arrive at such a perfect state of faith. To me, it's like reading a Grimm's fairytale and making a decision to program yourself into absolute belief in its total truth -- to the point that you are willing to kill or die for it. Something that profoundly antirational I find it deeply scary.

Dont go on twitter then

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ThisGuyAreSick posted...

If he was, then f*** him.

Well he is dead, he cant be f***ed anymore than he already is

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ElatedVenusaur posted...

I mean, that goes for almost everyone.

Yeah, but dude said it like the Egyptians and their God kings were honest or something and they weren't.

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Foppe posted...

What we do know is that the Egyptians were pretty good at documenting events, even things that were embarassing about.

We actually know the opposite, Egyptians were notoriously propagandist

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