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Ben and sealed powers

I feel like we've been here before have we been here before

Chaeix posted...

do we just vote Ben until he starts using his words given that nobody believes this is his actual role

JC being the first one to say what probably everyone else in the game is already thinking townvibes me.

Obellisk posted...

you are the one making them too much a thing. I asked a clarification question and you are all like "God, why are you all so bad at reading pictures, it's like totally easy to know whatnhes saying. as if"

*use your most 80s Valley girl impression when reading that please*

You and Peaf both kept it as a topic after it was clearly demonstrated what it really meant. It serves no value but to distract.

Compare it with Kirby, who took the simple explanation at face value and stuck with it. It feels more natural.

Ok also let's just go completely away from the autism angle that really I shouldn't have brought up in the first place.

Obellisk posted...

I am not about to get into an autism conversation since I'm well aware of the term being used to explain 1billion different things. however if I learned anything from tv it's that autistic individuals are much better at deciphering things than nonautistic individuals.

so your comments again, not hitting right crescent.

You feel like you're making way too much of Ben's pictures and trying to spin them into distracting stories.

That's what's not hitting right~

At this point I'm not questioning the pictures, I'm questioning the people who think his pictographs are in any way confusing. It feels like an easy way to obfuscate.

Like I'm highly autistic and I really suck at reading such things and they've all been obvious enough to me.

Obellisk posted...

so is it, "Kirby, don't lean into Wallz, he's town" or "Kirby leaning in on wallz makes Kirby town" or "Kirby leaning into wallz makes Wallz town "?

ffs, Ben... Town or Scum... being a talking rebus is a bit much.

I've actually found Ben's pictographs super easy to follow, even if I don't believe it's a real role at all.

It's clearly saying "I think Wall is town" and "Kirby is a town lean"

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You said last game you're a bird and you do a lot of preening. So, swan or peahen for you?

Obellisk posted...

I'm missing the ff14 reference.

He's "leaning" against a wall.

Also I have made tea with honey. You may simp.

Obellisk posted...

I just liked the idea of it being anyone who says 3 names and only 3 must be scum.
Frankly, knowing its the first option makes Crescents comment seem less good in my eyes.

I've tried hard to forget about that game. I didn't know what i did to earn that Vig Shot and i pretty much stopped reading hte game as soon as it occured.

I'm giggling like an idiot right now yay <3

Obellisk posted...

lynch all liars.

In a universe that's infinite, like many theorize ours is. There exists paralell worlds where every possibility lives. So a planet's out there somewhere, their history the same as ours is written. The only difference is that... Everyone's a kitten!

Kitty History, just like ours. Kitty dinosaurs to kitty's driving cars. Kitty history, somewhere in quantum space... Mathematically, this had to take place!

Obellisk posted...

Can i get a refresher on the rule of 3? Is it just that if wall flips scum then we are guaranteed 2 town and 1 scum in his list? or is it anyone who lists 3 names in a post is always scum?

Rule of 3 is what you did in Elden Ring and immediately got dayvigged by MZero for.. You should know~

Obellisk posted...

We are on page 5 and about 15 hours into the game... why does it feel like we are riddled with miscommunication and errors in comprehension so far.

Because we are, unfortunately, human.

Humanity is a series of miscommunications and errors in comprehension~

I read Kirby as hinging specifically on "flavor", and not "flavor text". I take it an error in communication.

Obellisk posted...

Also, i was driving and reading which is bad, but at least i wasn't driving and texting, that would have been so much worse (i was at a red light), but anyway... I was going to say it was odd for peaf to be "milking red" for content when red was providing content all on his own.

I, for one, do not want to know what the circumstances of "milking Red", entail.

htaeD posted...

I'd argue Peaf got more results from players not Red.

There was no way such a bad argument gets anything except "no u" from Red.

Kirby321 posted...

I can understand Peaf's justifications. We've all pointed out that Red has been a lot more active than he's historically been for Day 1s (with last game where he was scum being a great example). It's an oddity, and I could see Peaf genuinely trying to milk Red for more posts before Red decides to go off to Disneyland again.

Can't say the execution was stellar, but it's a solid defense at least.

Red tends to be a moody player like I am, so I don't consider it to be reflective of his alignment in any capacity.

Side note: Wall's posts on page 1 and 2 nag at me a little. A few useless posts, a leading question about Ben and Red that isn't actually content, and a post that effectively assumes everyone who hinted at being vig is actually vig.

Also

wallmasterz posted... If Bens google images role is fake (which a lot of you who know Ben well seems to think it is) its been really funny but Ben, it would be nice for you to start posting normally soon too. I know its still early but if youre town, based on how well you played after you replaced into Star Trek, we could really use you and why not get started now?

Cody does look the most questionable so far. I looked horrible immediately last game despite being town, so Im aware I shouldnt be too quick to judge another new player, but I agree with red that his opening post gave off a weird vibe, and his subsequent posts didnt do a thing to set my mind at ease.

Peaf is somewhat on my radar as well. Its not glaring but Im still struggling to reconcile the defensiveness of post 159 with the of course I wasnt being serious tone of post 165. Calling it an experiment, entirely ridiculous and saying youd put a vote down if you believed yourself all in the same breath feels like a disproportionately big reaction to this, I dunno. In this game, dont people say things they believe or are heavily considering without hastily voting on it all the time?

Rule of 3 KILL IT!?

EDumey posted...

Peaf why are you making a point of "trying to get posts out of Red" when he clearly has showed up this game posting quite a bit?

My immediate impression of Red was, "oh he's gonna play hard this game, cool." I feel like that was a weird justification to make.

My one issue with Peaf's sudden turnaround that it was a joke is that #159 feels genuinely salty that no one was taking him seriously.

But you're right and I hadn't really registered it yet, by Red standards he's actually active. This must be the end times for sure.

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What's interesting is the first person who sniped at Cody looking bad... Is Red.

Peace___Frog posted...

Snap judgments that evaluate a group of people based on preconceived notions cannot possibly be made by someone who is scum because we know that they are perfect robotic players that do not have feelings. Got it.

Uh, Red doing what he did is completely NAI to me. When did I make any indication he "cannot possibly be scum"? All I said was the argument to call him scum for it (and tie him to other players) is fairly ridiculous.

Of all those teams, Zeke should go to the Bengals. Bengals are the one team on that list we definitely know will be good next year. Eagles are set to fall off somewhat, and who the hell knows with the Jets.

red13n posted...

lol Peaf you are funny when you try to think you know my head.

It's more he's putting a lot of words and thoughts into your post that I don't feel like were there in the slightest.

Like I only brought it up to tease you for being so wrong~

Kirby321 posted...

From my understanding, Crescent and Ulti have a history of thinking each other as scum. Red was likely making a reference to that, especially because the original post in question was from EDumey following up from Death jokingly suggesting that a Day Vig should shoot Ulti as a counter-claim.

So I must admit I'm not seeing where you're coming from, either.

Uh, no? I have a history of always thinking Han is scum, as I started last game. My read rate on Ulti is historically pretty good.

The person who always calls me scum is Scare. If anything, I've found Ulti is way more likely to call me scum when he is scum.

Peace___Frog posted...

Red has a good enough read on them each after one game to say that Crescent is more likely than them both to shoot feels either cocky or scummy. I'm choosing the latter right now.
Not complicated.

I think it's more that Red just snapped out my name without really thinking it through (Either way he has no idea how to read me and I was mocking him). It feels like a big stretch to say he's somehow tying himself to a newbie and they're scum together when in all likelihood he wasn't even acknowledging their existence when he made the post.

Peace___Frog posted...

Yeah tbh it was really rude of red to make that assessment. Makes me think he's scum with our two new friends who only have 1 game apiece.

This feels like a... Lacking justification to call him scum

That whole plate thing lasts like... 15-20 minutes tops.

Anyways, case 2 is over. Only the very end of it has any real punch at all. Onto case 3 a bit later. The smarminess of McGilded awaits. So much nags at you, all the little convenient things that suddenly happen in your favor to keep your case alive, which usually go against you to almost kill your case... I remember really starting to doubt before this case was over. Let's see how it holds up~

Which reminds me:

Do you say he might be guilty at the last choice, or do you push for acquittal? dundundun.

red13n posted...

If Ben is a real role we are banning this role in the future. I don't buy it either.

I think Ben's fucking around just for shits and giggles, and I'm pretty sure such a role would already fit into some manner of banned category.

Also me the itchiest trigger finger? I barely even place votes~

With every AA game, I've replayed it about a year later to see how my impressions hold up.

GAA's first case still holds up fairly well. You get a surprising amount of pushback, and the case is designed to have an unfulfilling conclusion, which it does well. Jezaille slowly unraveling not out of any sort of fear of punishment, but just because she's being outwitted at the game by someone "inferior" to her really sells her arrogance. The divide between the nations is made a little too obvious by Auchi, but she really puts it into practice (it's a shame she gets completely wasted by GAA2). As far as first cases go, it's pretty alright.

The second case is so.. Dull. They try to flavor it up with Sholmes, but there isn't any high point at all, and it mostly just leaves me feeling numb and going through the motions. I remember clearing this case in one night at some absurd time the first time waiting for what felt like an obvious point to leave it off at, and it just doesn't have one. It belongs in the discussion of worst second case in the series that isn't 1-2 (the worst case in the series), not because it's bad, but because it's just not interesting or gripping at all. I think having no trial segment at all seriously hurts it.

Reminder: It has a KITTY so it's automatic top tier regardless.

So if this Turtle has mastered all 4 weapons, does it mean it teaches another squad of 4 mutated creatures how to use them?

Turtles!

Why isn't topic up yet?

As soon as the Jets picked up Hardman the rumors they were trading someone were already circulating.

What's interesting is the Jets now have 42 and 43.

There is no game.

Only Zuul

There are no roles.

There is no game.

This world is an illusion.

Start the game now, then send out roles with the topic open. No one knows who got their role and when~

Cam Newton is a case of when he finally "got it" mentally, his body was too shot for it to matter.

Which is kinda sad.

Peace___Frog posted...

I have passover in two weeks so if you leave me alive that long I'll have to go moses style over here

Same.

I remember the game I hosted ran for a long time and gave me issues with Passover

Random note: As soon as attention was drawn to that suitcase early on, I immediately assumed a body was either inside it or was at some point inside it.

It just felt right!

But yes, GAA2 only has 4 cases, the last case is just the longest in the series by quite a fair margin, and they decided to "split" it into two because of it. There's enough material to justify it being two cases, but AAI2 does it much better.

You solve case 4, and then you get the call "Can you truly in good conscience say this case is solved?" All those little unresolved loose ends start to pile back on, because you haven't actually completed the case at all. However, case 5 isn't just a direct continuation of case 4, it immediately adds more plot dynamics and a very important new death to form it's own identity despite following immediately in the footsteps of the case before it. Case 5 in GAA2 doesn't do anything to actually merit being separated.

They're related, but it's not like it is in GAA2. GAA2's cases 4 and 5 are actually the same case. In the middle of an investigation phase, it just switches from 4 to 5 without any warning.

LeonhartFour posted...

5-5 would've been better if the game had made an effort to have Edgeworth recognize the similarities between Athena's circumstances and his own with DL-6

not sure what else Athena could've been guilty of unless you want her to be the murderer

maybe they could nail her for tampering with the crime scene or something like they did with Iris

I like the whole thing they did with Apollo knowing she was lying her ass off because of his BS powers and heading out to investigate on his own, but ultimately they made very little of it. That angle wasn't pursued enough and ended up as short lived window dressing.

Oh and yes, 5-5 Edgeworth feels... Lacking. It doesn't feel like Edgeworth.

Oh speaking of that another hot take:

5-5 would've hit way harder if Athena actually had been guilty of something.

LeonhartFour posted...

I also think 5-4 is generally an underrated case because people don't think of it as a standalone case, but as a prologue to 5-5 since it blatantly ends unfinished (3-4 is the same way but people love that one...!). Yuri Cosmo is a fantastic witness, and the twist at the end is one of the few moments in the series to elicit a verbal "whaaaaaaaaaaat" from me.

5-4 is a fine case that gets a bad rap for it's abrupt end, but it's abrupt end is supposed to happen. I was left exiting that case wondering if this was somehow all completely botched and Simon was the only one in the courtroom who was actually right.

One issue I have though: I get that 5-3 avoids what seems to be an obvious guilty verdict at the end of day 1 by having two other people suddenly confess to the crime to mess with the system, but..

I still have no idea how 5-2 avoids a guilty verdict on day 1 just because Temna pretends to have a breakdown after your defense has been thoroughly shredded.

AA5 is primarily Phoenix/Athena
AA6 is primarily Phoenix/Apollo

In for now I guess

I have no idea what my upcoming schedule looks like because today was "Ok I need to get out of here like now" day at work.

They've been cutting costs like crazy but this last one directly endangers employee safety and that's kind of where I'm drawing a line.

AJ sells more if it's not brutalized by the same word of mouth that propelled the original game to relevancy.

Yeah I'm going to hard pass on another kingmaker game.

Though wait

Would that make me Queen all game?

Franziska would be a much better character either without the whip or with the whip used about 90% less. It's played into the ground and the only character who ever does anything about it is Godot.

LightningStrikes posted...

I mean he clearly states that hes going to be reinstated at the end of that very game and is then the star of the next game. The next two main entries were very well received, DD smashed sales expectations and SoJ met them. So whatever you think of the decision itself I dont think it had much of a negative effect on the series in the long run.

AJ was supposed to be it's own trilogy, like PW before it.

That's how badly AJ's backlash derailed the franchise.