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Also, speaking of Banana: Banana was the true confirmable town. I wasn't.

His power was way more influential than mine, especially considering I couldn't stop hammers.

Leafeon13N posted...

You guys did at least figure it was a one time use right?

Oh absolutely.

You were right, there's no way he should have been doing it again. And even if he did, we didn't care and were shooting him anyway.

I do fully admit I'm glad the game ended tonight. The longer a mafia game goes, the more mentally unstable I get. I can actually sleep tonight.

I do take some pride in the fact that I received 0 votes all game though.

And I know my end of day 1 was lacking. I got home from work too late, didn't have time to rest, and I was a lacking shell of myself because I didn't have time to get myself into the right mindset. I'm not surprised I was sussed for it.

I really would like to know what Chris thought of me when he died, though. Chris didn't say anything about me at all in the second half of day 2 or on day 3.

PunishedBen posted...

Mzero could be killed the night he tries to commute. The only time he is untargtable is the night he is on the dead player list. So he is not a BP per say

Well ok how were we supposed to know he lied

I've played through way worse games than this as town, trust me.

This game wasn't any fun for the scum either. We had Mike claiming these ridiculous scans, Red claiming a power that had nothing to do with us, and two godfathers to a cop that didn't even exist.

Mike's mistake was claiming a second scan though. Mike guaranteed he was still third party when he claimed it. I was under the assumption from the way he worded his original post that he could only do it once.

Aecioo posted...

real talk I need to reread that day but lynching ulti over confirmed third party made me laugh real hard

I wasn't lying when I said I was going to lynch Mike!

MZero posted...

I also scanned death N1 lol

Imagine my chagrin when he was dead

You getting to scan and commute in the same night is bullshit by the way.

Also, we shot Mike night 1

And it bounced to Death

IT BOUNCES TO THE ONLY VANILLA IN THE GAME REALLY?

Leafeon13N posted...

I was starting to really suspect you when i read back the convo with ulti too. It felt like scum feeling disrespected and letting a little bit out.

See Ulti's weakness towards me is he always disrespects me.

All I had to do was hound him enough to get him to change his read on me.

And my flavor claim worked perfectly for it. Hydaelyn justified everything I did on day 2.

I expected MZero to scan Tidus or me and Plum to scan Tidus.

What the hell was Red?

masterplum posted...

Yeah you did well, it just sucks that you had a role that messes with towns ability to lynch scum which is something that should fundamentally not be done

I was not lying that my role did not prevent a hammer. It was up to town to meta the way I used it.

Cole in GoT2 used his doublevote in the scummiest manner possible on day 1, and it caught up to him and got him lynched to end the game in final 5.

Also Plum had a role that justified the existence of Isquen's role... And didn't seem to notice?

Scare and I BOTH thought Plum was cop night 1.

I thought Plum was cop or Zenos night 3 and then cop again night 4.

Leafeon13N posted...

What was Tidus? If we lynxh him and he flips rb it goes so different.

Yep.

And I couldn't let it happen. I used Plum and MZero's distrust of Mike and Isquen to keep Tidus alive. I HAD to carry him through that day.

Also I was godfather to MZero's role WIFOMing that scum had godfather to MZero's role.

This was, by far, the best game of mafia I have ever played as either alignment. I controlled a significant amount of the game.

Leafeon13N posted...

Damn good job at the end alao fuck i had it at the beginning of yesterday.

I know you did. I know you had the scumteam right, and it was scary as hell and why I wanted to go after Mike before Isquen. You made it clear enough you had it.

masterplum posted...

Oh so we have two pretty much banned roles thats cool

I received zero votes all game.

Zero.

I played the perfect game even before confirming it.

Also I have no idea why my role got me a townconfirm. I've had two confirmable roles, as town, FAR more broken than this one.

Leafeon13N posted...

Isquen/plum probably possibly having a scumspat.

Dont want to end day til Tidus has had more of a say than some check in posts.

I'm considering this possibility.

masterplum posted...

Nobody suspected me coming in to today. If I was scum I would have just claimed cop tbh

total wifom but whatever

The only reason suspicion on you was tapered was because of the very scan Chris claimed on you. You were heavily suspected up until then.

But, as Red pointed out, Mike's flip stopped it from being a psuedo-confirm.

masterplum posted...

I just didnt?

I mean you think thats more likely then me having over a week to come up with a fake claim and claiming the same name chris claimed?

I could see you doing it for some crazy WIFOM without taking into account that you did nothing to even hint it on day 3.

masterplum posted...

I actually didnt notice the identical name until you pointed it out today. I just focused on the ability and having those opposite roles and apparently no cop made sense

How do you not notice such a thing?

masterplum posted...
Im pondering if scum chris would run that gambit to clear me. It isnt impossible, but seems less likely

This is the closest Plum ever comes to suspicion of Chris.

It's shortly before Plum just insinuates he's town.

Leafeon13N posted...

Because with that role name he should have been flipping a lid at Chris.

(Apologies I'm not home right now it is difficult to check myself)

I just looked back at day 3.

Plum seems to accept Chris' claim, and later accuses Isquen of RBing him.

masterplum posted... I mean I can come up with a convoluted explanation of how isquen is town and chris is scum, but I don't think that is Occulams razor

There's also this. Plum seems to be perfectly fine calling Chris, who claimed an identical role with a different power, town.

Leafeon13N posted...

Did plum call Chris out on the claim at all? Or Isquen?

Not that I'm aware of.

Yep no I have information to process and the last thing I want to do is rush out a vote in less than 2 hours

Mike's role was ill-conceived at best, I don't think anyone is denying that.

Are identically named roles with different powers even allowed in a setup?

The moral of the story is: Lynch third parties.

Leafeon13N posted...

Its possible they essentially tried to triple claim that at this point.

Plum's attitude is strikingly different from yesterday.. Following what was effectively a scum lynch that broke the pseudo-confirmation Chris provided him.

Actually thanks for the reminder Isquen.

Why make that claim in the first place?

Isquen posted...

And all the fucking suspicion thrown on me, too when I claimed something similar despite admitting I was bullshitting.

I forget, did Chris's motion detector power pick up just someone *visiting* or someone *leaving*? Because I've heard no other claims of getting role blocked so far have occurred, and I wonder if Chris picked up someone leaving to go murder. Or plum themself roleblocking... themself. I've seen stranger things in other style games.

Chris claimed the exact opposite of what Plum is claiming. Chris catching Plum getting targeted by someone has kept him going.

DoomTheGyarados posted...
Hm.

Well no one has stepped forward so it is probably the case that somehow plum is town who indeed got targeted by scum. Curious. Sadly I am just a motion detector. Plum n1 and red n2. No one bothered with red n2

DoomTheGyarados posted...
Really thought plum was scum guess he just forgot how to play mafia. I mean fair enough

[KN3]Chris - Thancred, TOWN Motion Detector

Like, what?

That's the exact same role as what Chris claimed with a different claimed power.

It says "If Zenos finds you and targets you", which does suggest it could be either from the scan or the challenge.

Isquen posted...

Exactly. I didn't know, hence why I tried to put myself in jeopardy to prove it (only to find out self-votes don't count.)

Or you just wanted to give the impression.

It's WIFOM.

Leafeon13N posted...

Something that also might have been missed: Ulti would have gained nothing by winning the duel.

I'm not sure this is particularly relevant?

Leafeon13N posted...

What roleblocks?

I've never seen a scumteam not have a roleblocker. Plum claimed roleblocked both night 1 and night 3.

Isquen posted...

Similarly tempted to claim plum due to lack of anything role related, and if you think I'm being scum when I literally tried to put myself into jeopardy over Tidus to prove Crescent's power last night (while simultaneously being bad at math) you're sorely mistaken.

Scum would know my power is legitimate. Town wouldn't. Scum in that situation has nothing to fear about my power not going off.

Leafeon13N posted...

Anyway. Having gotten to sit on it and how just atrociously antitown some of his posts have been, plum is probably just scum.

It felt like he was trying to claim vig but with the flips we've seen i dont think i buy it.

But I'm curious to hear what hes going say hes hiding.

An issue: Plum is the only one in the entire game to claim being RBed, but I don't think I've ever seen a scumteam not have a roleblocker.

So where did the roleblocks go if he's scum?

Leafeon13N posted...

Also going to point out Tavish was initially going for the town win condition with town down one.

And it was sure convenient for him to fall back on this repeatedly.

Leafeon13N posted...

Yes. Just give me that it could have been worse for us if bens fuckery is different.

I get where you were coming from.

I just think certainty was the best play.

Hard confirmation > Grain of Salt

Leafeon13N posted...

I'm not particularly thrilled in this situation, but we did learn one thing from that lynch. It is possible for plum to be scum and to have been targeted by Tavish.

We learned he faked the "aether scan" on Isquen, because he thought Isquen was scum and was trying to protect him.

This is why you never leash third parties.

I guess I'll have dinner while I wait for someone to show up.