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TopicIt's much harder being a guy
Cleo_II
10/08/19 12:47:25 AM
#246
Shuto-uke posted...
Not gonna lie, I am quite taken aback by her behavior here.

I've always been nice to her, and if anything I took a "both sides" approach here. I also brought up that she has good points when others criticized her.

In response she lashed at me and is treating me as if I had said period and kitchen jokes at her or something. So I responded with niceness and... she got nastier. I am scratching my head trying to understand it, but it makes 0 sense.


Shuto-uke posted...
Yeah that sound about right.

And if I dished back at her with 1/10th of the hostility and bitterness she lashed at me she'd weep and then most of CE would treat me like a soul less, cowardly villain. And actually, that proves TC has a point, lol, thanks cleo ^_^
LOL I missed these. Pure gold. Imagine thinking some rando on the internet can make me weep. Meanwhile you have been complaining nonstop about me being such a meanie to you :(

You are exactly what is meant by fake nice guys. Pretends to be nice but meanwhile is just low key passive aggressive and feels entitled to a reward for being so nice
TopicIt's much harder being a guy
Cleo_II
10/07/19 11:30:02 PM
#228
mattnd2007 posted...
I like how Cleo couldn't refute some of the more real shit like custody hearings and divorce where women inarguably have an unfair advantage. I normally like her but she was just dismissive of everyone.
The point wasnt to refute it. I do believe men have had the short end of the stick in family court and I have always supported mens rights there. The point was whining about how much men or women have things easier/harder is so subjective. It comes down to each individual. Life isnt fair for anyone.
TopicWhat's your favorite Mario platformer?
Cleo_II
10/07/19 5:08:11 PM
#6
Super Mario 64
TopicIt's much harder being a guy
Cleo_II
10/07/19 12:40:42 PM
#92
DarkRoast posted...
I remember getting shit in residency over that, even though my USMLEStep 1 was 244. So fucking irritating. Patients who literally asked to see a male physician because they didn't want an "affirmative action physician."

Because Asian girls benefit so much from affirmative action m I ritel
Yup I spent a little while as a technical support engineer for a Fortune 500 company. We were all required to have engineering degrees. But I got several calls from other male engineers asking for real engineers to troubleshoot their issues. Theyd argue that my solution was incorrect and call in to have a male tell them the exact same thing and pretend they were their savior. Not counting the few who straight up laughed when they asked if I was actually an engineer and I say yes.

Were soooo privileged
TopicIt's much harder being a guy
Cleo_II
10/07/19 12:33:50 PM
#88
DarkRoast posted...
Yeah, when we do a better job than a man, we're a bossy bitch.
Or we just had everything handed to us
TopicIt's much harder being a guy
Cleo_II
10/07/19 12:30:45 PM
#85
Shuto-uke posted...
LMAO. I was just being fair. But now I am sexist because of that too.

You're just being hostile to me for no reason.
Lol the bad reading comprehension continues. Yes Im hostile for no reason and not because you keep insisting on putting words in my mouth
TimDiamond posted...
"I know you're lacking in any confidence in yourself or self esteem but just deal with it bro, that's just how it is."

You sound like you'd be a superb engineer. Please, stay far, far, far, far, far away from any kind of social work.
Do you think its acceptable for someone to be bitter against an entire gender because they lack confidence and self esteem?
TopicIt's much harder being a guy
Cleo_II
10/07/19 12:14:23 PM
#75
Shuto-uke posted...
Your memory isn't that good I guess. Yes, I paraphrased, duh. My point still stands.

You didn't mean well with this reply, anyway. I made other post ITT, even defending you from other posters by pointing out that you have faced quite a lot of sexism in your workplace, and that YOUR points are not "just bullshit" even though you didn't list them here. But you chose to ignore that and zero in on this and act low key hostile.
Oh my, thank you shining knight for defending me. Apparently it means I should allow you to paraphrase me terribly and forgive your awful reading comprehension.

I never disagreed that men have their issues too, and I never said they are losers. But saying that men have shit harder while complaining about women like they have a free pass at life is terribly defeatist as its not reality in the slightest. And I would say the same to women who do the same with men. Neither gender is coasting through life. No one has it harder. Every individual is going to experience things differently. Im just sick and tired of gender wars from both sides.
TopicIt's much harder being a guy
Cleo_II
10/07/19 12:06:05 PM
#69
Shuto-uke posted...
So.... do you tell the tumblr-type people who post feminist stuff (without " "manning up" and dealing with it") the same?
I dont go on tumblr so I have no clue what you mean. But if you are talking about man-hating women, yes I have told them the same. Nothing is more annoying than the all men or women are shit posts
TopicIt's much harder being a guy
Cleo_II
10/07/19 12:03:52 PM
#66
Shuto-uke posted...
She jumps the gun on calling any man who doesn't agree that men have issues to as a fucking loser "defeatist", though.
Please point out where I posted this. Im waiting.
TopicIt's much harder being a guy
Cleo_II
10/07/19 11:59:17 AM
#59
Febrel posted...
Everyone has different obstacles to deal with.
Exactly my point. So you can sit around and cry about life being unfair or man/woman up and fucking deal with it
TopicIt's much harder being a guy
Cleo_II
10/07/19 11:52:59 AM
#49
Lol at this topic. A bunch of whiny men who would rather blame others for their own shortcomings. I can sit here and list off all the reasons its hard being a woman but its pointless to do with a bunch of defeatists.
TopicI love my husband (warning: long)
Cleo_II
10/05/19 5:52:48 PM
#53
Ruvan22 posted...
Was he always that way? (Not putting up with disrespect)
Yup
TopicI love my husband (warning: long)
Cleo_II
10/05/19 2:29:27 PM
#51
bobaban posted...
I also think he sounds like a yes, dear cuck.
Lol he is anything but. I get it seems that way from the post. I only focused on his positives here but I have complained about him quite a bit.

But if there is one thing about him, he doesnt put up with any crap or disrespect.
TopicSo long So Long Gay Bowser.
Cleo_II
10/05/19 12:25:13 PM
#23
Zikten posted...
I'll never stop hearing gay Bowser


TopicWould you let your gf go out like this?
Cleo_II
10/04/19 11:03:29 PM
#25
emblem boy posted...
I've told my gf I want to do the same thing lol
Is she down?

emblem boy posted...
How is that similar to cuckholding....
This is CE thats why. Women are to be chained in the kitchen and veiled in public lest they attract the male gaze

Offworlder1 posted...
If she comes in dressed like this to some bars that have a lot of aggressive thirsty dudes, her looking like a trashy whore is going to attract a lot of attention from dudes looking for an easy lay. Not all drunk dudes accept "no" so she could find herself in a bad situation depending on where you live and what kind of crowd your dealing with.

While this is unlikely to happen it can as women do get roofied or harassed not even dressed this way.

Some fantasies are best left in the privacy of your home.
Talk about overthinking it
TopicWould you let your gf go out like this?
Cleo_II
10/04/19 10:39:17 PM
#8
My husband wants me to do this and go to the bar alone where hell come pick me up like were strangers but Ive been too hesitant lol
TopicImagine having to check your bank account before making a purchase
Cleo_II
10/04/19 9:20:37 PM
#21
Pretty mean spirited of you
TopicNew Yorkers may have terrible pizza & manners, but at least they can walk
Cleo_II
10/04/19 3:54:16 PM
#9
Yeah one of my biggest pet peeves moving here from the east coast. 8 years later and I still cant help walking fast and honking at drivers picking their noses at the green light. People here are so... chill ugh.
TopicWendy's releases 97-page free to download tabletop RPG Feast of Legends
Cleo_II
10/04/19 3:51:32 PM
#30
Doe posted...
You didn't actually laugh at this right, you're being ironic right
Whats it matter to you? Lol people sometimes
TopicJFC my fiance saw that topic about my old co worker, and may call things off
Cleo_II
10/04/19 2:00:01 PM
#28
I dont remember the topic but from what it seems it was in poor taste. But at the same time she cant be a thought police to you. People have fantasies of others and its normal. My friend and I were looking at hot guy pics the other day lol. The important thing is not acting on them.

But she is probably very hurt reading your thoughts that way. Give her some time.
TopicHaving a gf is having an effect on my diet tbh
Cleo_II
10/04/19 1:19:04 PM
#11
V-E-G-Y- posted...
Lol funny thing, for lunch she brought us medium pepperoni papa johns pizza and 2 pepsi bottles
Vegy, youre making me look bad!
TopicI love my husband (warning: long)
Cleo_II
10/04/19 1:17:44 PM
#44
CrimsonRage posted...
can i have him
No get your own.

Ivynn posted...
Does he have a rubbable beard
He used to. Sadly hes old school and started shaving for this job because its very corporate though I keep telling him hes been there long enough and hed be fine with his short beard again. Im looking forward to Movember though lol
Topic35 year old with 25 year old
Cleo_II
10/04/19 12:58:06 PM
#3
I started dating my husband when I was 25 and he was 38 so
TopicOh god. It's THAT time of year, CE: Pumpkin Spice Lattes
Cleo_II
10/04/19 12:54:33 PM
#7
Gross
TopicI love my husband (warning: long)
Cleo_II
10/04/19 12:53:54 PM
#41
Strider102 posted...
But does he bring you breakfast in bed?
He does actually, when I am stuck with bed rest for various reasons. But typically its the other way around.

SSJGrimReaper posted...
does he have nice chest hair
Decent. Not like a super hairy chest but also not baby butt smooth

[LFAQs-redacted-quote]

Yes I realize third is most important for him. Sometimes I have a hard time wrapping my brain around it. But hes happiest when Im happy and cheerful. Its just been very hard for me to be with all the shit thats happened (some of it is on him too and he knows it). That and me remaining a freak with him in bed are most important to him. Hes simple lol.

EverDownward posted...
Dude's absolutely a keeper. Let him know how much he matters to you.
Yes after writing all that down yesterday I sat down with him and told him so.
TopicWendy's releases 97-page free to download tabletop RPG Feast of Legends
Cleo_II
10/04/19 12:32:51 PM
#12
creativerealms posted...
KFC: Let's release a dating sim.

Wendy's: Hold my frosty.

TopicBoss is my buying my team dinner tonight, what are the rules for ordering?
Cleo_II
10/04/19 12:17:25 PM
#13
No_U_L7 posted...
Can I add bacon or egg to a burger?
Id say one or the other but not both lol
TopicBoss is my buying my team dinner tonight, what are the rules for ordering?
Cleo_II
10/04/19 12:06:52 PM
#9
Only get an alcoholic drink if your boss is getting one. Ordering a soda is fine. Just stick to one entree. If he suggests apps, then get them to share.
TopicTfw you just want to quit a horribly toxic job
Cleo_II
10/04/19 11:59:58 AM
#135
gloBal enemy posted...
I have to admit this has become a far more complicated decision than I originally thought from reading your thread and have seemingly mixed up the various opportunities you were considering.

That all being said I'd be very dubious about someone who promises to help work with you to change the culture. You either be the change and drive it, or you don't. I'd be curious to understand why they didn't do much about it before, and realistically what will change now?
Yeah its kind of crazy how I went from no opportunities to 4.

To be clear, my choices now are:

1. Contract role for a big rate, with opportunity for conversion in 6-12 months if I hit their metrics. Partial remote job. 1099 with no benefits. Not a lot of career growth though. A lot of risk if they dont convert me or they do convert me and offer me shit full time pay.

2. Go back to my old company under a new manager. Starting talks now. The benefit to this is I know what Im walking into. I have a lot of medical issues and they were always flexible with me. I have tons of friends still there. Id be welcomed back with open arms

3. My old boss from my last company is leaving and said he would hire me once he started if I wanted. He has the headcount. It would be remote and we work well together. This company has amazing benefits too, including 4 months of maternity leave (if I ever get the chance lol). My old boss was also aware of my medical issues and super chill if I needed to take time off or take a few hours to go to the doctor

4. Recent development was I tried quitting and my current job is trying to keep me but changing my title, manager and addressing culture issues (which I doubt they can). Turned them down officially this morning.

Im leaning towards 2 and 3, and hope I can buy more time with 1 but ok if they refuse it.

No_U_L7 posted...
You sound certain so that's a good sign. Imo there's nothing a good brain storming session cant solve. I find this thread fascinating as in my region for my field theres only really 3 places you can work and 70% of the field goes to one of them lol
Thats because you work for the government lol. But I will say that I do get a ton of opportunities because my background is rare with my engineering degree and Im more technical than a good majority of sales people. I have very powerful references (several executive level ones). Ive worked really hard to build a good reputation and good rapport with people and now its paying off.
TopicTfw you just want to quit a horribly toxic job
Cleo_II
10/04/19 11:28:20 AM
#131
I decided to turn it down. They are trying to guilt trip me but Im sticking with my instincts. I did some hard thinking and Id rather go back to my old company despite their issues than risk staying here and jeopardizing my mental health further. We started talks and it sounds like there is room for me.

Im tuning down my other offer as well. Too many risks with a contract job and they have been moving so quickly and not giving me time to consider. So that gives me yellow flags too. Its a lot of money so I hope Im not being dumb.

So Ive narrowed it down to my old company or the company my old boss is going to. Should take a few weeks for everything to form and that will give me a break to work on myself.
TopicI love my husband (warning: long)
Cleo_II
10/04/19 11:11:28 AM
#36
donkeyjack posted...
Wow, you got a good man.
Yes I do. He has his faults like I have mine but overall hes solid

emblem boy posted...
What would a "not shit wife" be in your opinion? Do you want him to need you in someway?

I ask because many times my gf will say she feels like a bad gf because I pretty much do handle most of the things. I clean and cook for myself and her when she wants it, I do the vast majority of the shopping, helping with majority of financial stuff while she's in school, etc. She pretty much feels like I don't "need" her, but she needs me. Which is a dynamic she knows I don't want. The dynamic of her feeling like she needs me. It's just how it is temporarily due to various circumstances.
The more I hear about your dynamics with your gf, the more similar you sound like to my husband. Hes extremely independent and self sufficient so I feel like he doesnt need me. Yesterday I apologized for taking him for granted and asked him how I can be a better wife to him. And all he said was work on yourself right now and do what you need to do to get better.

I could at least do more of the little things for him, which I used to do. Make his coffee in the morning, do more of the chores around the house, try to be more cheerful and supportive of him. I think the last couple of years have just drained me so much Ive been very closed off lately. I need to work on my health as I need PT and havent gone. Then I can have more strength to do more around the house.
TopicWe drank to 500, let's fuckin' drink some more!
Cleo_II
10/04/19 10:24:17 AM
#97
Johnny_Nutcase posted...
Hey I want to thank

@MabusIncarnate
@a-c-a-b
@JimCarrysToe
@CanuckCowboy
@inloveanddeath0
@Walter
@MedeaLysistrata
@Cleo_II

You guys kept my shit alive now let's get loaded and keep Mabus's topic alive and get it to 500.

I'll always back you guys up because you're always behind me. I got all your backs if you deserve it. Those that do, let's enjoy the night.
Woohoo! To another 500!

Although after my weekend last week, Im going to give my liver a break this weekend
TopicI love my husband (warning: long)
Cleo_II
10/03/19 9:18:17 PM
#25
Soggy_Pocket posted...
But he wouldn't take you to Vegas..
I never asked him to. He just promised it and hyped it up. He still talks about it too but I just stopped really worrying about it. Well go when we go.

Balrog0 posted...
yeah, sounds like a great guy. 6 is a big dealbreaker for me personally. my wife also deals with medical conditions of various kinds but none that incapacitate her like that
Yeah I struggle with 6 a lot. I have a lot of guilt over it. I want to be able to do more but sometimes I just cant and then I enter a depressive cycle and leave him to carry it all alone. I recognize that now.

Eat More Beef posted...
Like, as a human constantly in long term relationships, I get that are always bumps, but you can't get moody at him for always saying yes when you also get moody at him when he says no.

I ain't trying to hate, but if you're gonna send him mixed signals like this, y'all reall need to sit down and talk about some underlying issues.

Lastly, it just sounds like he's constantly fucking tired and needs a break from life if he's doing all these extra things. I know this is a topic about you extolling his virtues, so you've left out what you do for him, but damn, dude. Give the guy a couple weeks off from shit. He's heading for a burn out if he ain't already there.

Go on a vacation to a cabin for two weeks. Do nothing but eat delectable food and have sex and read and watch movies together; otherwise, he's just gonna get more pissy pants without saying anything while he does everything.
We did discuss me getting upset when he says no to things. For the most part I will take it well but might not for say a family event where they will all expect him. But we have talked about it and Ive been working on things too so hes been more comfortable telling me when he isnt up for it.

As for taking a break, he was unemployed for 6 months while I supported us so hes ok lol.
TopicI love my husband (warning: long)
Cleo_II
10/03/19 8:50:52 PM
#16
Weezy_Tha_Don posted...
glad youre happy. I always laugh whenever I see all the leave him/divorce his ass! posts
Yeah lol. Its hard to go over everything in a relationship in just a few sentences. But I also realize Im always so negative about him and thats on me. And if all CE knows are the bad things then of course theyll think hes some crappy husband.
TopicI love my husband (warning: long)
Cleo_II
10/03/19 8:49:30 PM
#14
Esrac posted...
Its probably a good sign that it makes you feel like a shit wife, if you can actually improve.

But I'd worry that you may get bored of him being so compliant and docile.
He doesnt say yes to everything. Hes got a backbone lol. Also we will be together 9 years soon.
[LFAQs-redacted-quote]

This is true. There are times he will say yes then take it out on me after and get mad at me. I tell him he should have said no then. He says he doesnt want me to get upset but most times Im fine with it. But there are other times I havent taken it well so I can see what hes saying so Ive been working on it
Johnny_Nutcase posted...
Well you better enjoy all that because your next best option who can do all that is me. Something to think about.
You just want me as your sugar momma though
TopicI love my husband (warning: long)
Cleo_II
10/03/19 8:34:04 PM
#1
I know I complain about him a lot but I also have been doing self reflection lately and realized my brain has been in some kind of a negative thinking loop. Especially as Ive been dealing with some shit the last couple of years. I never post about the good things about him, I just post when Im annoyed with him. So here are the reasons hes a great husband.

1. Hes super family oriented. He will go to all the important family events, even when he doesnt want to. He will go out of his way for my family too. If people need IT help, they know they can call him. Hell go during his lunchtime or after work to help them out. He has helped my aunt with IT stuff at her business too. My family adores him and he takes care of his too. They all look up to him as a leader and example to follow. Currently hes mentoring his nephew to help him out of a really terrible situation

2. He does a crap ton for me. When we went through IVF cycles, he administered all my shots, drove me to every appointment, even some that were 2 hours away. I insisted on taking the train and he refused. Instead he took me during his work hours and made up the time so that he ended his day at 8-10 pm. He picks me up from the airport at night so I wont take an Uber alone. Hes picked me up on nights I went out drinking with friends/coworkers too because he wants me to be safe

3. Hes always down for things that I suggest. Yeah he doesnt really plan date night. But if I say I feel like going somewhere, or going to see a movie, gym, or a hike, he is down for it. If I want to diet he will diet with me. He doesnt clean much on his own but if I say we are cleaning today and assign him what he needs to do, he will get it done and not argue. Hes not great at taking initiative with these things but he will also be a partner when I do.

4. Hes stable. Hes very good with money and finances. He budgets for us. Im contemplating a contractor role but I dont have to worry about how 1099 would work because he would handle that for me and he ran the numbers so Id know what rate to ask for. He handles all our bills and does our taxes. He lead the refinancing of our home recently, arranged all the appointments and paperwork and all I did was sign. When we got married and I had to apply for my green card, we didnt need a lawyer because he handled all my paperwork for me (and it was a shit ton). Right now hes handling all my medical bills and insurance company BS

5. Hes very handy. He will fix stuff around the house himself and set up all our IT. I bugged him about wanting an outdoor security system that would send automatic alerts when people were approaching so he bought the equipment and set it up last week. He sets up all the furniture we buy, fixes up our cars, he set up my home office, etc

6. This is the most important. He accepts me. Im not perfect either. Im fucking hard to live with. I have a lot of medical conditions and depression from them. Some days I cant do shit, no cooking, cleaning, exercise etc. I can be a couch potato for weeks at a time because of my conditions. Some days Im an emotional mess. But he has never said he wants to call it quits or made me feel like Im less of a person because of these things. He never complains. All he ever says is hes in it for the long haul no matter what. He encourages me to go out, meet people, hes never jealous if Im out late or wtv, he just wants to know I had a good time and Im happy.

If anything, I look at all these things I wrote and I feel like a shit wife. I whine a lot while he does so much and Im not doing a fraction of these things for him.
TopicMan JUMPS out of the BUSHES to say HAPPY BIRTHDAY and is SHOT DEAD!!
Cleo_II
10/03/19 7:52:24 PM
#12
Thank goodness my husband set up an outdoor security system.
TopicTfw you just want to quit a horribly toxic job
Cleo_II
10/02/19 8:14:04 PM
#129
We havent talked compensation yet but I believe its a lateral move. We have a follow up talk for end of the week.

RdVEHfJqAvUPIbk posted...
Cleo, the culture is the biggest issue isn't it?

He genuinely cannot change that. A cultural change comes about as a massive shift as an organization.
The rest is nice. But you have to keep in mind you're in sales. He's most likely low balling you and what he said now is closer to his real offer.

He can promote you to "Top Sales Manager Number One!" but culture ain't changing that fast.
There were 3 factors in my decision.

The first was the role was a step down for me career wise but its a bigger company with higher standards. So the expectation was that I would do this and prove Im ready. My boss said it takes 1-2 years. But the work is dull so I dont feel challenged. I can do this with my eyes closed.

Second issue is culture and the fact that sales people get away with stealing clients.

Third was my boss is a crazy micro manager.

So the senior manager can fix one and three right now. He said my boss was wrong about it taking 1-2 years and that was only for junior folks and not experienced people like me. And he can work on number 2 but it will take time. He escalated a nasty email I got from another manager because he said it was inappropriate to treat me that way. And if I give him visibility he will make sure to push back and slowly help shift the culture.

Honeslty Im just seeing this as Ok I dont have to quit right now because Im miserable, I can stick it out a couple of months and buy time for these other opportunities to form
TopicAmber Guyger only gets 10 YEARS IN PRISON..and the Victim's Brother HUGS HER!!
Cleo_II
10/02/19 7:23:49 PM
#13
CruelBuffalo posted...
I feel the sentence is appropriate.


TopicTfw you just want to quit a horribly toxic job
Cleo_II
10/02/19 6:33:07 PM
#123
Damn senior sales manager is good at sales. No wonder he has his job. Went to turn him down and he doubled down. Said Id report to him personally from now on, promote me to the next level and hed personally work on addressing the culture issues. That he would always have my back to keep me happy. He said he made a mistake assigning my current manager to me because hes new at managing people. Im really surprised at the level of which he wants to keep me after only being here 4 months when my last company basically did nothing after I was there for 3 years and only regretted it when I was gone. Kinda leaning towards staying for a couple of months and if it doesnt work out then my old boss will have had time to ramp up at his new place and create an opening for me.
TopicWhat do you spend your credit card points on?
Cleo_II
10/02/19 4:15:39 PM
#11
Hotels. We went to Atlantis in Bahamas a few months back. One time spent 5 nights at the Ritz-Carlton in Aruba, all on points. And we got upgraded to an oceanfront room. Thinking about Fiji next
TopicTfw you just want to quit a horribly toxic job
Cleo_II
10/02/19 3:15:44 PM
#122
Lol my manager is being soooo nice to me today. Said he really wants me to stay. Ive decided to pass on it though. I know Im taking a risk on banking on opportunities that arent tangible yet but I feel like I need to go with my gut.

Also helps that I closed some deals today
Topicim getting an MRI tomorrow
Cleo_II
10/02/19 2:10:03 PM
#17
_Matchabuu_ posted...
Welp I have a bulging disc
Ouch! Whats the treatment plan for it?
TopicI bet your girlfriend is ugly
Cleo_II
10/02/19 2:04:09 PM
#9
No_U
TopicWelp, time to move on to a different employer
Cleo_II
10/02/19 1:31:27 PM
#40
treewojima posted...
engineers are the worst
Yeah tell me about it, I married one lol

Also Im sorry to hear that. I remember your other topic and it seemed to be a done deal. I know how you feel though because its what happened to me at my last company and why I left. Sounds like you have another opportunity though so go for it and try to connect with the hiring manager directly.
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