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TopicWho's da best big brother, Illumi(HxH) or Itachi(Naruto) *spoilers*
COVxy
05/19/19 10:30:03 AM
#5
feel like the title is a spoiler
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TopicDo you regret getting your college degree?
COVxy
05/19/19 12:17:05 AM
#7
In some ways yes, in others no.

Mostly no. While I could have gotten to where I wanted to go a lot more directly if I had known, the journey to get where I've gone is probably an overall good thing.

Going from cognitive psych->nonhuman primate neuroscience->human neuroscience->rodent neuroscience probably has given me a very unique perspective.
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TopicSATs to assign "adversity score" to reflect social backgrounds
COVxy
05/18/19 8:06:41 AM
#199
ssjevot posted...
COVxy posted...
Asians with disproportionately high SES, yes, but not discriminate against, simply not help. As it shouldn't, because they do not need it.


Historically it has been used to hurt. Their scores are reduced, while white scores are left unaffected. You should look into what happened to enrollment after AA was banned in CA. It shows how massive the discrimination against Asians was.


If they are high SES, they do not need a boost.

Idk how to make this any clearer. Billionaires are not discriminated against because they do not qualify for food stamps.
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TopicSATs to assign "adversity score" to reflect social backgrounds
COVxy
05/18/19 8:01:51 AM
#195
Asians with disproportionately high SES, yes, but not discriminate against, simply not help. As it shouldn't, because they do not need it.
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TopicIs my psychiatrist incompetent?
COVxy
05/18/19 7:51:51 AM
#2
Seems like the only conclusion one could make given the information presented in this topic. But that's certainly not a yes.
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TopicSATs to assign "adversity score" to reflect social backgrounds
COVxy
05/18/19 5:34:27 AM
#193
ssjevot posted...
COVxy posted...
My last point was about high SES people, which is high income whites.


Asians have a higher median income than whites.


Ok. That doesn't make what I said untrue nor does it change the substance of the argument.
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TopicSATs to assign "adversity score" to reflect social backgrounds
COVxy
05/17/19 7:49:49 PM
#191
s0nicfan posted...
Your PDF puts it at 14% which is better technically but functionally it doesn't change the argument.


No, my pdf puts total achievement at 14%, which is a completely different number.

If 14% of students got a bachelor's degree, but only 5% of enrolled students completed, then a whopping 280% of low SES students must have entered college, if these estimates are accurate and constant. There's a clear discrepancy here lol.

s0nicfan posted...
To your second and last point, at no point was I framing this about color, so your point about white SES people is true but doesn't change my argument


My last point was about high SES people, which is high income whites. Who have a shitty completion rate overall as well.

s0nicfan posted...
I'm more fundamentally focused on making sure university isn't watered down


Who has been arguing otherwise? For the record, the dumbing down of curriculum in modern college has far more to do with the general push for everyone to go to college whether they want to or not, due to requirements for basic jobs. We mostly have middle to upperclass students to thank for that.
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TopicSATs to assign "adversity score" to reflect social backgrounds
COVxy
05/17/19 7:19:48 PM
#189
If you say so.
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TopicSATs to assign "adversity score" to reflect social backgrounds
COVxy
05/17/19 6:32:57 PM
#186
s0nicfan posted...
COVxy posted...
s0nicfan posted...
Yes, part of the message is "be nicer to your students" but his study also worked because he created a special small class of low income kids and gave them all advisers and peer mentors to provide extra support.


If they were incapable of learning the materials then they would have still failed.

Have you ever considered that lower class individuals perhaps drop out at a higher rate because the support systems, the systems in general, at universities are all created with the assumption of privilege?

For example, one of necessary career development processes in the process of obtaining a PhD is going to conferences. These conferences are usually far away, often international. The way most universities deal with "supporting" students is retroactive reimbursement. These students are supposed to just tank a several thousand dollar expense (if international, around a thousand if within the US) for upwards of 6 months. This is fair, because if you come from at least a middle class family, this isn't the end of the world. However, for those coming from lower class families, this often involves necessary loans and credit card debt that builds over those 6 months and puts people into a cycle of extra debt.

They are not set up for poor people, and thus poor people drop out of the system more often. Super not surprising.


They were incapable of learning the material without a set of special extra conditions explicitly designed to give them extra support, because prior to this extra support they were failing. This isn't about whether they can or can't learn at all. This is about whether in the current environment jamming these kids into these schools helps or hurts. It objectively hurts. The data shows they hurt. The statistics are overwhelmingly in support of it hurting. Giving them bonus points to get into these schools won't help them.

If you want to debate over how responsible universities are in terms of providing extra support for low income people go ahead. I think it's a great topic of discussion, but the SAT creating adversity scores to help universities find the "right" poor kids isn't that debate.


First of all, I don't buy the 5% completion rate you are citing. It's not from a cited study, and actual studies of this show bachelor's achievement rates way too high for that to be true:
https://nces.ed.gov/programs/coe/pdf/coe_tva.pdf

Second of all, let's say even the rate of success of low SES students is half that of high SES students, given financial aid, the benefit far outweighs the harm. And even if you didn't think this was true, the solution isn't "don't let disadvantaged people into college", but to fight for better consideration for low SES students in the systems at the university level.

If you want to restrict college entrances to students who will thrive and complete, we're clearly not going a good job for white high SES people either lol. That's an entirely different issue though.
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TopicSATs to assign "adversity score" to reflect social backgrounds
COVxy
05/17/19 6:08:04 PM
#183
Kyle1022 posted...
I didn't even ask for a definitive yes or no, just your opinion.

Kyle1022 posted...
No white man under those same circumstances would be rewarded as she was, and you know it.


lol.
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TopicSATs to assign "adversity score" to reflect social backgrounds
COVxy
05/17/19 4:06:51 PM
#177
Kyle1022 posted...
Answer honestly. You think a white male in her EXACT circumstances would have gotten into the UIUC engineering program?


Neither I nor anybody else can possibly answer that question.

This is a pretty common theme. People get pissed when people who are disadvantaged get opportunities that they didn't get. But in all likelihood, they got those opportunities and you didn't for one of two reasons: they needed it more, or you simply didn't apply.
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TopicSATs to assign "adversity score" to reflect social backgrounds
COVxy
05/17/19 4:04:22 PM
#176
s0nicfan posted...
Yes, part of the message is "be nicer to your students" but his study also worked because he created a special small class of low income kids and gave them all advisers and peer mentors to provide extra support.


If they were incapable of learning the materials then they would have still failed.

Have you ever considered that lower class individuals perhaps drop out at a higher rate because the support systems, the systems in general, at universities are all created with the assumption of privilege?

For example, one of necessary career development processes in the process of obtaining a PhD is going to conferences. These conferences are usually far away, often international. The way most universities deal with "supporting" students is retroactive reimbursement. These students are supposed to just tank a several thousand dollar expense (if international, around a thousand if within the US) for upwards of 6 months. This is fair, because if you come from at least a middle class family, this isn't the end of the world. However, for those coming from lower class families, this often involves necessary loans and credit card debt that builds over those 6 months and puts people into a cycle of extra debt.

They are not set up for poor people, and thus poor people drop out of the system more often. Super not surprising.
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TopicSATs to assign "adversity score" to reflect social backgrounds
COVxy
05/17/19 3:51:18 PM
#174
Kyle1022 posted...
Your comparison also isn't an apt one, as a 23 on the ACT is pretty solid. Whereas an 18 isn't much better than what you get for simply writing your name on the thing.


I got an 18 (maybe 16?) the first time I took it. Took it a second time got the higher score lol. Not like I studied or anything, just the opportunity to take it a second time knowing what I was going into helped. The only reason I was able to do so is because I got waivers for the cost of the exam.

None the less, a full ride scholarship and a science training program along with a guaranteed job and multiple connections to one of the world's largest biomedical science institutes was far beyond anything I was qualified for.

Point is, opportunities happen for poor white people too if you actually apply to these programs rather than sulk in racism!
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TopicSATs to assign "adversity score" to reflect social backgrounds
COVxy
05/17/19 3:26:59 PM
#171
s0nicfan posted...
The context and point of the article is that without extra tutoring and special support these kids bomb out.


I don't think you read that correctly lol.
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TopicSATs to assign "adversity score" to reflect social backgrounds
COVxy
05/17/19 2:36:32 PM
#169
Kyle1022 posted...
As was I. But you conveniently left out your academic performance in high school. Did you also get an 18 on the ACT and finish outside the top 10%? Because if so, as a white male, you most certainly were not awarded entrance into UIUC'd engineering program, as the black female was.


I was a 3.0 student with a 21? 23? ish on the ACT.

Got admitted to a good state school. Got a full ride scholarship after my sophomore year through a program dedicated towards helping underrepresented and disadvantaged students with an interest in science.
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Topicended up buying tekkonkinkreet on dvd
COVxy
05/17/19 2:08:31 PM
#2
It's a pretty good one, or so I remember. I watched it when it first came out.
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TopicSATs to assign "adversity score" to reflect social backgrounds
COVxy
05/17/19 2:06:55 PM
#166
s0nicfan posted...
COVxy posted...
Kyle1022 posted...
Don't have Facebook anymore so no idea and not really relevant to my point


The fact that you can't tell how it's relevant should make you think a second time.


I mean the drop out rate for university is over 50%. Statistically, that number is much higher if you're low income (link below) - only about 5% of low income students actually finish.

Outside of making college easier (which holy shit isn't that the worst idea ever), shoving poor kids into top universities is statistically almost guaranteed the saddle them with tens of thousands of dollars of debt with no degree to show for it. If you're really, truly concerned about getting kids from poor families out of the hole they're in and moving up the socioeconomic ladder, giving them an oppression score and boosting their chances of getting into the top schools in the country is going to objectively destroy far more people than it helps.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/grade-point/wp/2018/06/08/why-do-so-many-students-drop-out-of-college-and-what-can-be-done-about-it/


So you're just gonna ignore the entire context and point of that article, huh?
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TopicSATs to assign "adversity score" to reflect social backgrounds
COVxy
05/17/19 2:04:36 PM
#165
Kyle1022 posted...
It's really not though. There are standards of getting into that program and they were lowered because of someone's gender/race. You really think a white male with otherwise those exact same credentials from the same high school would have gotten in? Nope. It is LITERALLY racist by definition.


As a poor white male who was awarded many opportunities that my 'empirical' record would have excluded me from, yes, I think it's certainly possible that they would have.

But that's beside the point, which is that the goal isn't really about making things "fair" at entry way. We can talk about that all day long, and there's reasons to suggest that inclusion of students who have had roadblocks is actually "fair", but that obscures the fact that entrances are supposed to find students who would succeed at an institution. That's why her success at that institution matters, because if she did perfectly fine there, then it is you with egg on your face, because the university bet correctly.
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TopicSATs to assign "adversity score" to reflect social backgrounds
COVxy
05/17/19 1:44:46 PM
#160
Kyle1022 posted...
Don't have Facebook anymore so no idea and not really relevant to my point


The fact that you can't tell how it's relevant should make you think a second time.
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TopicSATs to assign "adversity score" to reflect social backgrounds
COVxy
05/16/19 7:44:22 PM
#119
Bloodychess posted...
Nothing points to this being good either, yet here you are scoring keyboard points


Certainly there is.
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TopicSATs to assign "adversity score" to reflect social backgrounds
COVxy
05/16/19 7:26:22 PM
#110
Houston posted...
Are people unaware that if we keep going down this slope we'll have people unqualified in important structural/health/etc positions all because "diversity" is always required?? We probably already do.

Scary shit.


People are aware that nothing points to your conclusions and prophecies.
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TopicSATs to assign "adversity score" to reflect social backgrounds
COVxy
05/16/19 5:43:10 PM
#99
Imagine being someone who has an issue with this. Jesus.
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TopicHave to take my final today (Stats)
COVxy
05/15/19 9:20:07 AM
#4
Tell the professor that this is just a sample of your performance and they should divide your score by n-1 rather than n.
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TopicIt's curious how afraid we are of wasps
COVxy
05/15/19 9:01:15 AM
#28
pogo_rabid posted...
COVxy posted...
Conception616 posted...
COVxy posted...
Conception616 posted...
Considering my grandmother will literally die if she is stung by one, this is a stupid fucking topic.


I mean, my uncle could die if he comes in contact with a cantalope, but if large masses of people feared cantalope it would be pretty fucking weird lol.


You are comparing an aggressive, mobile, and poisonous insect to a fruit. Okay


You seemed to have managed to miss the point completely lol

What point? A cantalope poses no downside to people not allergic to it. A wasp is still a potential sting to people who aren't allergic to it.

Most people would do their best to avoid a beesting if they can.


The user seemed to think that because it could kill his relative due to an allergy, the premise of this topic is false. I demonstrate and equivalent case that is unoquivocally ridicuous to demonstrate that it was faulty logic. There's absolutely no reason why I should need to be so verbose about it.

On the actual topic, wasp stings aren't that painful and go away relatively quickly. The extent to which people fear them is a bit disproportionate (like if a wasp flies into the office in the summertime, you get essentually an evacuation until it leaves lol)
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TopicIt's curious how afraid we are of wasps
COVxy
05/15/19 8:47:06 AM
#23
Conception616 posted...
COVxy posted...
Conception616 posted...
Considering my grandmother will literally die if she is stung by one, this is a stupid fucking topic.


I mean, my uncle could die if he comes in contact with a cantalope, but if large masses of people feared cantalope it would be pretty fucking weird lol.


You are comparing an aggressive, mobile, and poisonous insect to a fruit. Okay


You seemed to have managed to miss the point completely lol
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TopicIt's curious how afraid we are of wasps
COVxy
05/15/19 8:43:36 AM
#19
Conception616 posted...
Considering my grandmother will literally die if she is stung by one, this is a stupid fucking topic.


I mean, my uncle could die if he comes in contact with a cantalope, but if large masses of people feared cantalope it would be pretty fucking weird lol.
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TopicCarnival worker turns out to be a serial killer
COVxy
05/14/19 8:00:07 PM
#8
~"I accidentally shot these women on 3 separate occasions."

lmao.
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TopicIs Bran the most pointless character on GoT? (Spoilers)
COVxy
05/14/19 1:23:35 PM
#12
Rushed and out of character are literally the same point.

Like everything else the past couple of seasons, the writers have reasonable plot points/character development, but have no one guiding them how to get there. So everything has gotten rushed and illogical to place certain characters at certain locations at certain times.
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TopicHow snowflakes are born
COVxy
05/14/19 9:45:11 AM
#4
TwoDoorPunkCab posted...
wow, when i was at school i was told i had to do well in tests or my life is doomed


How'd that prophecy turn out?
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TopicWhat age is acceptable to watch pornography
COVxy
05/13/19 7:32:07 PM
#8
Whatever age they want to and feel comfortable doing so. The idea that porn/sex is some crazy thing that warps people's minds (especially while young) has no real basis in reality, and is an artifact of religious thought.
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TopicFavorite FF7 limits?
COVxy
05/12/19 12:56:21 PM
#3
Non multihit limit break = low tier.
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TopicIT: Chapter Two Trailer!
COVxy
05/12/19 12:47:24 PM
#44
Godnorgosh posted...
I wonder if that part of the book was actually a subtle dig at Chinese restaurants or something.


The chinese restaurant seemed to be another one of the many points decrying the commercialization of old America. The bastardization of Derry as it had been when they were children.
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TopicIs this statistics map racist?
COVxy
05/12/19 12:17:32 PM
#20
Vita_Aeterna posted...
averagejoel posted...
Vita_Aeterna posted...
# of Nobel prizes won by Singapore: 0
# of Nobel prizes won by the United States of America: 377

So much for that intelligence

awfully bold of you to suggest that the number of nobel laureates is a valid way to measure the intelligence of a country as a whole

(FYI I don't think IQ is a valid metric for that either)

My point is that intelligence means little if you can't actually output it into something notable. Granted, not everyone has to be a Chemist god, but if a country with such a high intelligence can't be creative and innovative enough to win a single Nobel prize then just says something about their "intelligence."

There's obviously more than one type of intelligence though. The ones Singaporeans are alleged to have don't seem to result in anything remotely worthy of notice to the world.


I mean, even among scientists the nobel prize is considered arbitrary as fuck.
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TopicIs this statistics map racist?
COVxy
05/12/19 11:49:56 AM
#11
brotrrwinner posted...
COVxy posted...
Absolutely not. The conclusions you're almost certainly trying to draw from it? Absolutely.

What are, in your opinion, the conclusions to be drawn from it?


Pretty much nothing on it's own, just that there is geographical bias in IQ. Other research, however, demonstrates that pretty much all the predictive validity of IQ is sucked dry when you simultaneously account for education and SES, so that seems like a good starting point =).
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TopicIs this statistics map racist?
COVxy
05/12/19 11:44:53 AM
#7
Absolutely not. The conclusions you're almost certainly trying to draw from it? Absolutely.
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Topiccalling it now, Biden win nom, loses to Trump
COVxy
05/12/19 11:41:55 AM
#42
BlueBoy675 posted...
you may not have noticed it, but your brain did.


Unfortunately for you, your brain noticed nothing.
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Topiccalling it now, Biden win nom, loses to Trump
COVxy
05/12/19 11:34:02 AM
#38
UnfairRepresent posted...
Strider102 posted...
Trump gonna lose. America is smarter now.

....right?

Calling Trump supporters stupid is not going to help your side win the election.


You're right, we don't have to call them stupid, but find a way to appeal to their stupidity.
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TopicIT: Chapter Two Trailer!
COVxy
05/12/19 10:54:14 AM
#35
GregShmedley posted...
Strider102 posted...
Godnorgosh posted...
Nothing in that movie will top this



Nah man nothing in that movie will top this.



Both statements are accurate.


Both scenes are pretty accurate to how they happen in the book *shrug emoji*
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TopicDo the professors in colleges ever bang the students?
COVxy
05/11/19 9:04:54 AM
#18
PikachuMaxwell posted...
There's an unwritten rule that discourages that....


Naw, I was explicitly told in my ethics training that my university supports love when there aren't any conflicts of interest.
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TopicDo the professors in colleges ever bang the students?
COVxy
05/11/19 8:56:47 AM
#13
SoraOwnsOctopus posted...
Is it okay if the student isn't taking their class?


Typically, yeah.
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TopicDo the professors in colleges ever bang the students?
COVxy
05/11/19 6:33:39 AM
#7
Rika_Furude posted...
BuckVanHammer posted...
is there any other reason to be a professor?

The high salary, flexible hours and politics-free environment


Uh, lol.
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TopicIT: Chapter Two Trailer!
COVxy
05/10/19 7:47:55 PM
#24
Veggeta X posted...
I personally always viewed IT as a mystery horror more than anything else.


I feel like the book was majority coming of age/nostalgia. Like 60/40. And even a lot of the horror was steeped in the coming of age theme.
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TopicIs there a Proper Term for someone who FEELS like a female but
COVxy
05/10/19 6:25:29 PM
#4
You identify with the gender roles of women, doesn't make you trans.
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TopicDo you think Safelite deliberately hires fucking creeps for their commercials?
COVxy
05/10/19 9:07:46 AM
#1
I'm pretty sure every new Safelite commercial stars a new serial rapist.
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