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Well now I feel like I would be wasting my time.
Though to be honest Sultan is already decoupling himself from a lot of scumpairings

IfGodCouldDie posted...

To be honest, I don't know I haven't read anything. It was one of those days where I got too far behind and decided not to bother reading.

Disappointing.

htaeD posted...

And more importantly, why Edumey?

IGCD?

And more importantly, why Edumey?

EDumey posted...

How about Sultan? Even an option?

Havent ruled him out actually. Was trying to reread him.

......
If thats real
Why can you doublevote IGCD?

EDumey posted...

-1 hour all. Let's see some movement.

Death, where are you leaning currently, and does it involve Peaf or Ben?

Ben isnt even on my radar.
And if it was between Blade or Peaf, I think Blade looks slightly better.
But to be honest they both feel very similar.

Unofficial votals

also 1 hour left

[2]Dumey - IGCD, SBell, (Ben)
[2] Blade - Peaf, Sultan
[2]Peaf - Blade, Dumey
[1]No Lynch - Foolmo
[1]Sultan - (Peaf), Chang
[0]Foolmo - (Dumey)
[0]Wallz - (Sultan)

PunishedBen posted...

Kirby you can have my vote. I'll be stuck driving during end of day again.

Deja vu
The good kind mind you.

You are not the first one to make that comment either.
Curious, did you check out the Blade VS Peaf scene from this topic yet?

I mean if we cant vote him and he is not counted as a player, there is absolutely no reason to suspect Kirby.

Meow1000 posted...

The use of the word "sadly" here bugs me btw,

I don't know why, it just does.

I just feel bad for Kirby is all
That and it would have been nice if it was in fact a catch.

Though either way I agree that its sadly not a contradiction catch, Kirby.

Oh nevermind
Ninja'd

See I was expecting Edumey to say that he did know that Ursula existed.. but just that he did not realize she was a love interest character.

EDumey posted...

Sorry guys, I had an auditor that randomly showed up and needed to interview me lol. So kind of disappeared abruptly.

Would like to respond more clearly to Foolmo, but for now I'll say I'm okay with his reads, happy he made them, and I didn't see a contradiction in his SBell comment. He was saying that if SBell is scum, and tunneling me, he should care more about what other players are doing. Not that Foolmo thought both SBell is scum bussing Dumey.

Kirby, I have watched episodes of Friends here or there but never sat down to actually watch like full seasons of it.

I did not know who Ursula was when IGCD claimed her. I looked her up to see who she was, as stated previously in game.

If Blade was thinking of the same argument as me, then this is not exactly it.

This is the first dumey post I could find after Wallz spoke about him

I mean yeah, the "too much info" thing is what initially grabbed me.

I read the rules that stated everyone is lovers of the main cast. Then saw IGCD make a claim that makes a hell of a lot of sense if the scum team is the main cast of the show. I looked up Ursula to see if this was just a straight up first post catch since the main cast being scun was only IMPLIED by the rules but not confirmed, but then found that she WAS a love interest for at least one episode, fitting the rules that Ctes laid out. Hence saying it would be a very clever fake claim, choosing a twin when you know your scum team is the Friends.

But you'll also notice that I later said in retrospect I feel good about IGCD. Because it being a real Miller claim makes sense, so there is no "too much info", and for IGCD to post it so quickly would be a pretty bold plan for scum to do so quickly after the rules were posted telling us the town flavors. I guess I'm assuming here that the scum team didn't have access to the rules post before the game was posted, if it was just duplicated on discord or something, but that's where the read comes from.

Also F you for thinking me trying to engage with people in the first page when we had barely any posts is me "running" from my initial post. When have I ever run from a chance to argue about myself as either alignment? Y'all know me better than that! No one asked about why I thought it was clever before, so I didn't feel the need to force an argument about Miller role meta. I've literally gotten criticized before as town for focusing too much on Miller conversation early in the day. What do you want from me!?!?

Honestly Kirby you seem to know better where to look than any of us

Kirby321 posted...

HELLO THERE!

I, Winged Kirby-o, have been summoned in attack position.

Let's talk mafia. Dumey, how familiar are you with this game's flavor?

Kirby I like you. But if you have any actual reads.... or explanations about wtf is going on, I would love those

Excuse me?

Obellisk posted...

Had a feeling that the fire died down over night. It didn't help that what i was pushing eventually got turned into a Timestamp argument when there is much more to it than that. I wont cause a scene over allowing Dumey another day, but i think it would be foolish to let him live too long. even the scummiest of scum can make themselves look better.

Ah yes you are correct. He only gave Dumey time, not a new opinion.
Tho I do find it ironic that foolmo says Sbell was not fighting against non-Edumey votes, when the votes against foolmo were the votes Sbell complained about the most.

Tho yes I didnt think that was really a contradiction since it sounded more like "Sbell is scum who is pretending to know that Dumey is scum."

Actually I think Sbell has flipped his opinion on Dumey as of this topic.

I also actually like foolmo's point about Sbell in a vacuum. But I do want foolmo to answer to Blade.

PeaceFrog posted...

So ask him

I did.
I wasn't trying to be loophole-clever with my wording or anything.

Meow1000 posted...

Less scum advantage and more your lack of sharpness in general concerns me.

If it helps, it concerns me too. I will try to avoid it in the future.

I'd ask Blade what the scum advantage is of me 'missing things'

Speaking of Corrik, where the hell did he go after so casually expressing a suspicion of Blade?

Meow1000 posted...

(And for the record that was well after he practically invited Sultan to sheep his vote onto me)

Yes I am aware of that.
I think I got confused because Peaf mentioned you 'confusing his timeline' before he made that post about going back to Sultan.

Hey now the previous instance was a case of latenight-brain.
...
I dont know how I missed that post today tho.
Maybe a case of 'trying to read to much from 2 players specifically all at once' brain.

Meow1000 posted...

Completely varies by day. A generic Saturday will usually be between 12 and 12:15. Day 1 of Shavuot (which was today) around 12:30. Day 2 of Shavuot (tomorrow) I might not be home until past 2pm.

This... Really isn't relevant though?

It was relevant to explain why I was upset by you leaving with a vote. I didnt know if you would be back in timely manner.
Then I explained myself, so you can consider it a me-problem.

I do feel like Blade is confusing the timeline here, accidentilly or otherwise.
Because Peafs vote was on Sultan before he voted Blade.
And I dont really see Peaf making more groundwork to return to voting Sultan afterwards.

I will admit I have no insight at all into how long a synagoge trip can take.

Meow1000 posted...

Uh

I said I was leaving when I placed the vote.

I meant before that post.

Peaf, would you have voted Blade if he left without voting?

I suppose that checks out at least timeline-wise...

Though personally I would have been more clear about needing to go to the synagoge just to see how Peaf and others would react.

Also I dont count that many shots overall. Not that makes Peaf look better technically.

Blade when did you start to suspect Peaf?
Because looking back at topic1 you two honestly sounded chummy half the time.
Peaf called you out for making potshots but the rest of the case against you came from other players, tho you did at least say Peaf was different from players like Sultan.

To clarify
It could lead to scum having to say more than they should about a standard miller claim.
Like what Dumey said.

But I can also follow the explanation from Dumey about why he said it.

Btw I now finally get why Wallz was focused on the word clever.
(I didnt consider that he was talking about Ctes VS Scum IGCD instead of town IGCD VS scum IGCD)
Though I dont think its as telling as he thinks. I would have found it weirder if Dumey merely called it a fake claim

changmas posted...

this is kind of overstating it, no? is it really THAT much of a curveball when at least half of games have a miller lol

I think its a curveball precisely because its inconsistent and also happens right away before scum has a chance to settle in. Scum does not like early content.
But no its not a major one.

EDumey posted...

Does scum really need to pretend content 10 posts into the game?

Isn't you jumping on me for flavor meta a super easy callout that would be super easy for scum to do to pretend content, because there's zero risk to them doing so?

A miller claim is a curveball that scum could struggle to react genuinely to.
Its just that town can react weirdly too.

Meow1000 posted...

Pressure on you was already starting from the point the game was just hours old.

Yes this does make Sultan and Peaf unlikely to be scum together, but I also like Sultan bringing up that Blade voted Peaf before him.

wallmasterz posted...

I realize not voting or being slow to vote are sometimes scum tells for players struggling to find reasons they feel confident in voting but as someone who is town and hasnt voted yet its really hard for me to care about if someone hasnt voted yet

I think the difference is: you arent someone attacking someone else right now.
Or at least not as much as Peaf and Blade.

Corrik7 posted...

The only pushing blade has done all game is trying to "policy lynch" self-proclaimed null reads.

I'd say that's telling as scum, if he didn't as town last game try to actively lynch a person he self-proclaimed was 90% town.

Policy Lynch? Blade was advocating against that I thought.

Blade is out for now tho. Which would mean you're not gonna do anything for a while.

Ben any more names for your townbook?
I am not used to you being this toned down yet also concentrated on suspects.

EDumey posted...

At me? Honestly nitpicking and pot shots probably have a strong overlap, so we may be saying similar things lol.

I see pot shots as a random shot taken from the side lines without really getting yourself involved. Blade was definitely getting himself involved with me.

You, Peaf, Sultan

I like Sultans post about Blade myself.
Too bad I cant tell if Blade finally made his vote because people were talking about him more and more since he had to leave anyway.

Honestly potshots is what I feel blade was making as well.

Obellisk posted...

i didn't read every word of the 65ish posts i was catching up on before getting involved this morning. clearly i didn't need to ask my question had i just read.

Fair enough

EDumey posted...

Now that SBell has responded, I do think this is an irrelevant question. Like Blade and SBell said, the NL thing is a total null tell.

Remember that the thing being questioned is him being present in topics, admitting to reading but not posting for sake of clutter, and not having basically any player reads out there other than the original "be wary of SBell pushing for claims" thing. Active + no reads to analyze = scum play that can't be linked to other players in the game.

And yeah I knew that. Hence me saying I knew how you would react.
Just surprised Sbell didnt know.

I asked because I wanted to have Sbell spell out whether or not the NL demand even meant anything to him.
Not that I expected him to answer yes to that.

Sbell I can already hear how Dumey is gonna react to that question, so let me first ask you a counterquestion.

do you think his No Lynch stance on Day 1 is coming from him being town?

I'd feel better about that needle drop if it was not timed right as Blade has to go.

Oh so thats what the teeth were about.
Well I know IGCD is always a bad focus for day1, but I would still like to hear from him.